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VitalSigns posted:Awh, don't worry buddy, my cynicism about politics is well isolated from my personal life, I'm having a lovely week That being said, now's a good time to invest in Glenlivet 15+. Prices can only go up up up!
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Solkanar512 posted:That's not what he's loving saying, quit being so loving dense. His point is at trying to understand why a cop suddenly decides it's a good idea to unload over a dozen bullets into someone who's clearly not a threat. They're afraid and think waiting 10 seconds would get them killed whereas just unloading on the guy would statistically not get them in trouble and probably would get them money and/or paid time off. There are really any consequences unless you really really gently caress up is kind of the problem with modern policing
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:40 |
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Mr Interweb posted:Also, I think I officially have had enough of Sam Harris: He really is the worst. Dawkins too.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:40 |
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Shifty Pony posted:ID is not required to fly and TSA agents are supposed to let you through if you have some other means to verify your identity. It is right there on their website. quote:Identification
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:41 |
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speaking of dick dorkins. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/25/richard-dawkins-links-isis-child-who-beheaded-man-and-clock-boy-ahmed-mohamed he really has it out for the clock kid.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:43 |
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All I can think about now when I see Harris or Dawkins running their traps is that episode of Always Sunny when the gang goes around chanting REASON WILL PREVAIL!
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:44 |
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:That sounds like the West Side for sure. I'm in Detroit, so as far as I'm concerned, everything west of, say, Chelsea may as well be Indiana. Whatever. Grand Rapids is by and large pretty progressive despite the VanAndel / DeVos influence. The problem, as with pretty much anywhere, is when you get outside of major population centers. Between GR and Lansing is a wasteland, as are all the goofy little communities around GR like Hudsonville, Zeeland (kill me), and Holland. Not like the East side is immune from it. Sorry for the Michi-chat, just repping for my West Michigan progressives.
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Coelacanthian posted:Whatever. Grand Rapids is by and large pretty progressive despite the VanAndel / DeVos influence. The problem, as with pretty much anywhere, is when you get outside of major population centers. Between GR and Lansing is a wasteland, as are all the goofy little communities around GR like Hudsonville, Zeeland (kill me), and Holland. Not like the East side is immune from it. Sorry for the Michi-chat, just repping for my West Michigan progressives. gently caress ya! I am in Holland on the North side, so it's pretty well-to-do white conservative land all day every day.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:47 |
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mcmagic posted:He really is the worst. Dawkins too. I think you mean Dick Dorkins
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 17:50 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/revealed-accused-minneapolis-shooters-fascinated-with-guns-militia-groups-and-the-confederacy/ quote:Police questioned a fourth person, a 32-year-old Hispanic man and aspiring model who goes by the name “Saiga Marine” online, but he was released after investigators determined he had not been at the protests at the time of the shootings. But why male models?
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:06 |
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Ron Jeremy posted:But why male models? The whole incident was actually a viral marketing stunt for the new Zoolander movie
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:10 |
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blackmongoose posted:The whole incident was actually a viral marketing stunt for the new Zoolander movie But why male models?
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:11 |
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ratbert90 posted:But why male models? Someone has to be ridiculously good looking for those that can't be ridiculously good looking.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:14 |
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Teddybear posted:In many states-- not all, I think, but many-- a charge of first-degree murder also includes inherent in it the lower charges. It may not necessarily include manslaughter, and I don't know how Illinois law works. You're a garbo lawyer dude
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:15 |
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Agnosticism is the morally correct position, imo Maybe the big bang was caused by some greater being, maybe not, whatever, I keep an open mind about it
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:17 |
By itself no, but the TN HCP has name, address, and photo which is more than enough information to be used in combination with something else under the following provisions: quote:In the event you arrive at the airport without proper ID, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. TSA officers will request you present two other forms of ID bearing your name. One of the items must bear your name and other identifying information such as photo, address, phone number, social security number or date of birth. There is no reason she shouldn't have been able to board the flight unless she was refusing to give any other info besides the HCP.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:19 |
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JT Jag posted:Agnosticism is the morally correct position, imo South Park Spiritualism.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:20 |
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JT Jag posted:Agnosticism is the morally correct position, imo Maybe the cop pulled the trigger 17 times, maybe God did it for him. I guess we'll just never know
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:22 |
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mcmagic posted:Am I really a dumb rear end for thinking that cops don't go to work wanting to kill a guy for no reason? Even if they don't have any humanity, why would they want to go through the paperwork? I'm just trying to get into the mind of a cop who just comes out guns blazing and shooting a kid who doesn't appear threatening at all. The best I can come up with is some sort of mental illness or PTSD? This is the Chicago PD. They have operated their own extra judicial black site for over 40 years.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:22 |
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JT Jag posted:Agnosticism is the morally correct position, imo Were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:22 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:24 |
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computer parts posted:South Park Spiritualism. The only appropriate religious stance is that God is a giant robot which has been sealed away from us and the only way we can meet our destiny is by never stop trying to pierce the heavens and reclaim God from humanity's reactionary fear and doubt which will slowly destroy us.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:26 |
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Hey, whatever happened with that whole US special forces airstrike MSF hospital thing?
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:26 |
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Buffer posted:Hey, whatever happened with that whole US special forces airstrike MSF hospital thing? "Whoops, our bad."
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:27 |
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Buffer posted:Hey, whatever happened with that whole US special forces airstrike MSF hospital thing? Minor human error.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:29 |
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In which Vox looks for a graceful way to avoid having to say "whoops, we were wrong" come July 2016.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:42 |
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Torpor posted:I can see the officer not getting convicted in this case; I mean I can see him getting convicted also, but if he walks I would not be surprised given the facts at issue there. The facts like, he shot a guy walking away from him and continued firing at a twitching body on the ground? Mr Interweb posted:So I saw something interesting about Turkey: Why would the UK or France have a large standing army? The odds of going to war with a neighbor is near-zero and for external threats if they can't handle it they just ask the US to do so. Ballz posted:Gonna be very curious to see how the right rationalizes the Chicago shooting after that video's released. Jesus Christ... "He Combed Thunderclap posted:Not sure if this has already been posted but fun new facts from the Chicago shooting case were just broadcast on NPR: You say this second point as if there's any realistic chance of them being charged for destroying evidence. I'd really love to be wrong and see the cop(s) involved all get strung up for it but I'm not holding my breath.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:45 |
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I've picked up on a trend in this election cycle that hadn't really been present, to the extend it is today, in previous elections. I initially chalked it up to just not remembering the full extent of previous primary cycles, but Vice has my back: https://news.vice.com/article/its-increasingly-clear-facts-dont-matter-in-the-republican-presidential-primary?utm_source=vicenewsfb Vice posted:In case there had been any doubt, the past 72 hours have solidified that facts are not a priority in the current Republican presidential primary race. Despite making a stream of proven false statements in recent days, "outsider" candidates Donald Trump and Ben Carson are still at the front of the GOP pack — suggesting the candidates' disavowal of facts could actually be helping more than hurting them in this race. I was just thinking last night how the last two election cycles have seen the GOP "get serious" and conduct some "soul searching" which only ended up resulting in a doubling down. If Trump or Cruz end up taking the nomination, or Trump runs third party and attracts a significant piece of the electorate, I think we may actually see the GOP go through an actual reformation. The GOP has been on the bandwagon of government doesn't work for so long that their electorate is fully in agreement despite all evidence to the contrary and yet, ironically, their leadership knows intrinsically that they need to operate within the framework of a functional government but are caught between doing this and advocating against doing this due to the state of their electorate. I think it's very possible that if this cycle doesn't pan out that we may actually get to see a shift in the establishment GOP towards the center with a platform that not only embraces functional government, but casts aside the economic policies that are currently championed for those that will actually benefit the middle class. Or at least I'm hopeful
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:46 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:"He The cop's lawyer is, unsurprisingly, already flogging the "he legitimately feared for his life" line, which will likely have the expected traction with the depressingly large number of people who consider fear the natural and reasonable reaction of being near/hearing about people of color.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:48 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:The cop's lawyer is, unsurprisingly, already flogging the "he legitimately feared for his life" line, which will likely have the expected traction with the depressingly large number of people who consider fear the natural and reasonable reaction of being near/hearing about people of color. he was extremely terrified of black people, which is why he needs to continue in his employment as a city of chicago police officer
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:50 |
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the GOP won't seriously consider reform until they lose all branches of government the GOP establishment has been pushing 'lets not be racist' for 20 years and they just get more racist every year.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:52 |
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Get ready for the usual voices to start screaming about this. http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/25/3725790/senator-says-white-men-more-of-a-threat-than-syrian-refugees/
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 18:59 |
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SquadronROE posted:Get ready for the usual voices to start screaming about this. He's not wrong (that will be ignored and the right wing will scream for his head)
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:02 |
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Boon posted:I've picked up on a trend in this election cycle that hadn't really been present, to the extend it is today, in previous elections. I initially chalked it up to just not remembering the full extent of previous primary cycles, but Vice has my back: they realized that "soul searching" is hard and it would be easier to just double down and hope for the best. and now the establisment is relizing that they hosed up big time. Captain_Maclaine posted:The cop's lawyer is, unsurprisingly, already flogging the "he legitimately feared for his life" line, which will likely have the expected traction with the depressingly large number of people who consider fear the natural and reasonable reaction of being near/hearing about people of color.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:04 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they realized that "soul searching" is hard and it would be easier to just double down and hope for the best. and now the establisment is relizing that they hosed up big time. Man, if cops are that terrified of being out there on the streets we should be hiring braver cops.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:06 |
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mcmagic posted:Am I really a dumb rear end for thinking that cops don't go to work wanting to kill a guy for no reason? Even if they don't have any humanity, why would they want to go through the paperwork? I'm just trying to get into the mind of a cop who just comes out guns blazing and shooting a kid who doesn't appear threatening at all. The best I can come up with is some sort of mental illness or PTSD? In 4 out of 5 cases I assume that the cops are sincere when they say they were scared and panicked. That shouldn't be a valid excuse for murdering someone and these people should either be better trained or not cops at all and this speaks to the overall training/hiring processes in play. But I'm willing to assume that cops are more often incompetent and scared then evil murderous bastards. There's also the fact that they know the system is "supposed" to protect them. Chicago went all wrong. The cops destroyed evidence and intimidated witnesses, the prosecutor dragged out the investigation, the media stopped caring after they got stonewalled, and the family got bought off. That's supposed to make it go away. In this case one reporter actually pursued the release of the footage and it made the whole situation blow up. But every cop who panics in a situation knows that usually the whole system is rigged to cover up his mistakes and let him get away with it. If you're scared and killing the guy seems like an option to address than there's no real consequences for that choice. Which is really the heart of this problem. Of course that doesn't eliminate the fact that some of these cops probably ARE evil bastards. Some people unquestionably get off on the power of being a police offer and I'm sure the job draws some percentage of people who secretly (or openly) harbor a desire to hurt people. And there's the general corruption issue where a cop may be tempted to break laws when an opportunity presents itself and that starts him down a path where he may have to do bigger things he justifies in the name of protecting himself/his family. Sir Tonk posted:The right has been obsessed with white knighting Chicago black on black violence for how long now? I swear it gets dropped every single time some pundit wants to handwave some instance of police overreach or poo poo on protestors. The pattern of "cop kills a black guy in a clearly illegal and/or unnecessary way" has grown to the point that they kind of know they can't keep up the "few bad apples" or "nothing wrong" narrative. The videos and stories just come too frequently now. So their whole move now is to pivot and say "yeah, that's bad but really the black people are the problem and the fact that they don't protest against themselves proves that really this is all political (and secretly racist, but that's a dogwhistle so shhhh)."
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:10 |
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ComradeCosmobot posted:In which Vox looks for a graceful way to avoid having to say "whoops, we were wrong" come July 2016. Ezra Klein: I know that Nate Silver says to not look at the polls and has a bunch of different reasons for why they don't mean very much right now ... but look at the polls!
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:24 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they realized that "soul searching" is hard and it would be easier to just double down and hope for the best. and now the establisment is relizing that they hosed up big time. I don't think it's quite that. They had two consecutive presidential cycles where they historically were likely to lose. An unpopular two-term president and then an incumbent. Meanwhile they had wins in state and federal legislatures. They really didn't have a reason to change. Now, however, it's different. They might maintain their legislatures, but their established policy is proving disasterous and the policy of the chucklefucks on stage that crushing them make even less sense, if at all. The GOP, in short, has leaders but it does not have leadership. I think that will have changed by the decade's end.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:27 |
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mcmagic posted:Am I really a dumb rear end for thinking that cops don't go to work wanting to kill a guy for no reason? Even if they don't have any humanity, why would they want to go through the paperwork? I'm just trying to get into the mind of a cop who just comes out guns blazing and shooting a kid who doesn't appear threatening at all. The best I can come up with is some sort of mental illness or PTSD? Siege mentality. A large portion of people get sucked up into this us vs. them mentality, a fair number of them in uniform. Some get really deeply entrenched in it and do a lot of unethical stuff to maintain the illusion. Goes both ways. Far too many folk are convinced the cops are the bad guys anymore. And this kind of stuff doesn't help.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 19:48 |
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Shifty Pony posted:By itself no, but the TN HCP has name, address, and photo which is more than enough information to be used in combination with something else under the following provisions: She boarded after showing her Congressional Voting card. She wants the handgun permit to be sufficient on its own.
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