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Labour | 907 | 49.92% | |
Theresa May Team (Conservative) | 48 | 2.64% | |
Liberal Democrats | 31 | 1.71% | |
UKIP | 13 | 0.72% | |
Plaid Cymru | 25 | 1.38% | |
Green | 22 | 1.21% | |
Scottish Socialist Party | 12 | 0.66% | |
Scottish Conservative Party | 1 | 0.06% | |
Scottish National Party | 59 | 3.25% | |
Some Kind of Irish Unionist | 4 | 0.22% | |
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian | 3 | 0.17% | |
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist | 36 | 1.98% | |
Misc. Far Left Trots | 35 | 1.93% | |
Misc. Far Right Fash | 8 | 0.44% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 49 | 2.70% | |
Space Navies Party | 39 | 2.15% | |
Independent / Single Issue | 2 | 0.11% | |
Can't Vote | 188 | 10.35% | |
Won't Vote | 8 | 0.44% | |
Spoiled Ballot | 15 | 0.83% | |
Pissflaps | 312 | 17.17% | |
Total: | 1817 votes |
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EvilHawk posted:Instead the DUP are deliberately dragging their heels to (I think) get the best deal for themselves. The longer it goes on the more time Labour can trot people out to the press shouting about the "Coalition of Chaos". The 1922 committee cannot possibly get her to resign now as it would basically hand the government over to Labour. They have to hope that the Queen's Speech will go through smoothly (and I sense that Corbyn is going to do everything in his power to stop that from happening). Any other action will absolutely lead to an election in 6 months. Even if they do get a Qieens Speech through I can't see this attempted government lasting that long, and going into another election with May in charge is suicide. I'd have said the Tories best chance would be installing one of the less obviously obnoxious MPs like Philip Hammond in charge with time enough for him to have had a few months in charge before the election and with a new manifesto that is not so transparently nasty, grasping and spiteful. Another election is not too far in the future and they'll take more significant losses than in this one if they don't stop the bleeding quickly. Look how discredited May became during the campaign, add more on for the embarrassment of the outcome and then further for using the DUP to prop her up. She'll poison the party. Noxville fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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I write my Tory fanfic while wearing a grey suit and listening to Elgar mixed with the tormented cries of paups
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:15 |
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I like that journalists are only now realising that Lynton Crosby isn't some evil genius, hes actually full of poo poo and is working with a very limited and transparently obvious set of tools.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:15 |
Ludicro posted:Sorry I should specify this was my parents house. I moved back a few years ago after my relationship broke down and I lost my flat, since then I bounced back, met my current girlfriend and have spent a few days a week there while we house hunt as it's a 20 minute walk from work rather than a 37 mile drive. That kind of thing is unfortunately what happens when people who've bought whole hog into the right wing narrative get smacked in the face with reality. Cognitive dissonance translates into panic anger. Sorry man.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:16 |
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Been away for the weekend so I left this til I got back. Also as I was catching up on my phone and wanted to come back to your quote later so I saved the link to google keep. The pic it decided to go with said link was, well... All hall
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:17 |
Not Operator posted:I'm genuinely shocked by this level of self awareness. I just assumed they repeated it until this bollocks until they believed it. Take it all with a pinch of salt. May's been trying her hardest to distance herself from the campaign and its decisions over the weekend, which is odd considering how often they were leaking during the campaign about how much influence she was having over it and how she had forced them to make changes throughout. Ludicro posted:Basically she started arguing with me almost as soon as I came through the door (I'd been staying with my girlfriend since Thursday as usual). Tried to avoid the discussion as I know it never ends well, but ended up responding as she seemed convinced that the Tories won, Labour lost, and that all "you young people" voted for Corbyn because we wanted free handouts. She blew her top when I commented that the Tories view the sick and disabled as scroungers (she is disabled) and screamed at me repeatedly to pack my stuff and get out. I had a similar situation with my ma, thankfully without her being in a position to kick me out of my house. I'm sorry, and genuinely hope you're okay.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:18 |
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Overminty posted:Been away for the weekend so I left this til I got back. noice
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:18 |
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Noxville posted:Even if they do get a Qieens Speech through I can't see this attempted government lasting that long, and going into another election with May in charge is suicide. I'd have said the Tories best chance would be installing one of the less obviously off sensible MPs like Philip Hammond in charge with time enough for him to have had a few months in charge before the election and with a new manifesto that is not so transparently nasty, grasping and spiteful. yeah, I'm so glad she's clung on, there's no telling if someone new could turn around public perception again. Hieronymous Alloy posted:That kind of thing is unfortunately what happens when people who've bought whole hog into the right wing narrative get smacked in the face with reality. Cognitive dissonance translates into panic anger. it's really horrible. It's just like that ConHome guy who voted Tory to spite his son for outarguing him but worse.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:19 |
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Not Operator posted:I'm genuinely shocked by this level of self awareness. I just assumed they repeated it until this bollocks until they believed it. Holy poo poo maybe May's staying after all, they've thought up a plausible scapegoat! And I never got to make my "Lynton's Interfering Hand" joke at D&D night
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:20 |
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Gorn Myson posted:I like that journalists are only now realising that Lynton Crosby isn't some evil genius, hes actually full of poo poo and is working with a very limited and transparently obvious set of tools. Hey now, the man is certainly a genius at pissing away money.
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Baron Corbyn posted:way back but supposedly Corbyn and McDonnell see Rebecca Long-Bailey as their successor. Could you imagine having to choose between Clive Lewis or Rebecca Long-Bailey in a Labour leadership contest? What an agony of choice
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:22 |
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There's no way May goes into the next election. The reason she's still there is because who'd even want to be leader at this point? Right now the party is reeling and it ain't going to get easier.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:22 |
Fans posted:There's no way May goes into the next election. The reason she's still there is because who'd even want to be leader at this point? The situation they're in makes it even harder for a credible new leader to emerge. She can't afford to bring genuine new blood into the cabinet without alienating one of the established big dogs, and so the only MP's who are likely to have a chance of making a bid are those same old names who have terrible image problems to start with.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:25 |
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Here's the DUP version of kustomkarkommando's fanfic: There's something everyone has missed about the DUP and the Fixed Term Parliaments Act quote:How much leverage do the Democratic Unionist Party have over the Conservatives?
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:25 |
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Firos posted:Could you imagine having to choose between Clive Lewis or Rebecca Long-Bailey in a Labour leadership contest? What an agony of choice I think the former anti-Corbyn wing would be backing Clive while Corbyn and McDonnell back Rebecca which would probably swing it for her.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:27 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That kind of thing is unfortunately what happens when people who've bought whole hog into the right wing narrative get smacked in the face with reality. Cognitive dissonance translates into panic anger. I like agreeing that this country is in dire straits and that there is no money left...which is why we should abolish the retirement age and get the over 65s back into work. We're all in this together, and we can't allow ourselves to get soft even in our old age; the elderly must work hard as well as the young. And while I'm at it, why should we have winter fuel payments? Maybe if these people weren't so loving lazy when they were young then they'd be able to afford to pay for their own heating, so why should I be financially punished because of their poor life choices and lack of planning? In all seriousness though, I only do this if people are flat out hardcore in their beliefs. I've met a lot of older people who are pretty chilled out and willing to just talk and learn and are if anything fascinated when talking about a subject in greater depth than their copy of the Daily Mail does.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The situation they're in makes it even harder for a credible new leader to emerge. She can't afford to bring genuine new blood into the cabinet without alienating one of the established big dogs, and so the only MP's who are likely to have a chance of making a bid are those same old names who have terrible image problems to start with. It's delicious. I'm glad they all must be tearing their hair out while also completely impotent. If the DUP fucks them and we get that early election this will be the best timeline
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:28 |
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Ludicro posted:Sorry I should specify this was my parents house. I moved back a few years ago after my relationship broke down and I lost my flat, since then I bounced back, met my current girlfriend and have spent a few days a week there while we house hunt as it's a 20 minute walk from work rather than a 37 mile drive. That's highly poo poo of her, I'm sorry man. Hopefully in time she'll come round. Also very glad you've got somewhere to live even if it is much less convenient for you.
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dispatch_async posted:Here's the DUP version of kustomkarkommando's fanfic:
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:29 |
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It is really dumb to think of the DUP as 'traditional conservatives'. That's true of Jeffrey Donaldson, who spent too much time with Enoch Powell as a youth, but not really of the rest of them.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:31 |
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Zephro posted:Are you going to write back to them? I mean, they're completely wrong and that seems pretty significant. Yeah, I've went back to them, and am asking my MP on twitter (after congratulating him on re-election) to confirm UK Policy, telling him the BBC said otherwise.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:35 |
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So what do you folks think actually will sink the agreement between the DUP and the Tories?
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:38 |
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mehall posted:Yeah, I've went back to them, and am asking my MP on twitter (after congratulating him on re-election) to confirm UK Policy, telling him the BBC said otherwise. This article might be of use to you if you want a quote from the Met commissioner: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/17/shoot-to-kill-what-is-the-uks-policy
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:38 |
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Captain Fargle posted:So what do you folks think actually will sink the agreement between the DUP and the Tories? Favourable polling for the Tories or the DUP saying something completely unconscionable
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:39 |
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So traditionally, losing a vote on the Budget is no confidence and an instant election. Makes sense; the government no longer has the legal right to spend money. What the hell happens if that happens now? Do we get yank-style shutdowns of the whole administration?
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:39 |
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/874334519561785344
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:40 |
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Captain Fargle posted:So what do you folks think actually will sink the agreement between the DUP and the Tories? Flegs
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:41 |
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feedmegin posted:So traditionally, losing a vote on the Budget is no confidence and an instant election. Makes sense; the government no longer has the legal right to spend money. What the hell happens if that happens now? Do we get yank-style shutdowns of the whole administration? Well, I guess Labour would get a chance to form a government, probably refuse, and then we'd get a new election.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:42 |
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Fans posted:If you want a Gang Tag drop me a PM. Please don't fill up the thread asking for them. Sorry for asking in thread but I don't have PMs. Please can I have a permanent mark of my jammy allegiance?
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:42 |
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dispatch_async posted:Here's the DUP version of kustomkarkommando's fanfic: In reality it probably wouldn't happen that way though. If the DUP failed to back a budget or a Queen's speech there's probably enough Tories who would no-confidence their own government just to end the farce.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:44 |
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Gort posted:Well, I guess Labour would get a chance to form a government, probably refuse, and then we'd get a new election. Only if Parliament votes for that to happen, though, that's kinda the point of the Act. It needn't actually do that.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:45 |
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Everyone please remember to sign the petition to investigate Labour's electoral fraud, because students have 2 places they can sign up, so they obviously voted twice. We need to deliver this petition to the Sun newspaper. https://www.change.org/p/uk-electoral-commission-labour-general-election-fraud-2017
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:46 |
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I'm basically assuming the strategy from the Tories at this point is to hold on and try to push through their Voter ID law, kick out May then immediately call a snap election and hope that enough young people without photo ID can't get it within the election period. The sad thing is it might work, I have no idea if there are enough Tories who hate winning enough to block it on principle (though the labour lords could at least buy time by holding it up).
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:46 |
feedmegin posted:So traditionally, losing a vote on the Budget is no confidence and an instant election. Makes sense; the government no longer has the legal right to spend money. What the hell happens if that happens now? Do we get yank-style shutdowns of the whole administration? The new statesman article is a little misleading or poorly worded. Budgets are no longer counted as a confidence vote, but if you lose one now you would have to have a confidence vote afterwards. I would assume you would have to try and get another budget through if you won the confidence vote. Budgets are normally designed to come into effect several months after they're passed, so at least in the UK there is enough wiggle room that things wouldn't shut down over night.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:46 |
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CestMoi posted:Everyone please remember to sign the petition to investigate Labour's electoral fraud, because students have 2 places they can sign up, so they obviously voted twice. We need to deliver this petition to the Sun newspaper. 13,411 supporters 1,589 needed to reach 15,000
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:46 |
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My boy Rees-Mogg with the real newsquote:We should not abandon vellum – it tells us that our laws are serious https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/vellum-laws-parliament-paper-costs?CMP=fb_gu
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:46 |
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kirchick#2016_presidential_elections Seeing a lot more of these "democracy is actually bad, you see" hot takes from the Serious Commentator pundits since Brexit, Trump's victory and now this. Their authoritarianism is coming to the surface. Rather than looking at the roots of popular discontent or critiquing the ruling class, they'd prefer to take the ball and go home.
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CestMoi posted:Everyone please remember to sign the petition to investigate Labour's electoral fraud, because students have 2 places they can sign up, so they obviously voted twice. We need to deliver this petition to the Sun newspaper. This has been a huge talking point in the right wing social media for months. Mostly from people who don't understand how the rules work.
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# ? Jun 12, 2017 19:48 |
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Looke posted:My boy Rees-Mogg with the real news I mean he's right, I'm pretty sure the government can afford to write the important stuff on some durable paper.
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