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sharknado slashfic posted:I've lived here my whole life and just found out this existed. I'd assumed they existed before I knew where they were because of course you'll find pro Confederate poo poo in a former slave state where the president had to suspend habeas corpus due to the justice system covering for a mayor deliberately interfering with troop movements. vvv Lol fair enough
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Shitshow posted:Outside of Baltimore, it's suburbs, and the DC suburbs, Maryland is redneck as gently caress, so it's not really that surprising? I'm not shocked at there being confederate monuments, I'm shocked at not knowing about them.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Uh huh, uh huh. And, uh, what kind of story does the Daily Stormer normally run? https://twitter.com/babylonian/status/890620163493515264?lang=en
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poo poo man, what's tripod or expage up to nowadays
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. It's Deffo Elvis singing "Glory Glory Hallelujah" when they animate them riding across a war-torn battlefield. I went recently with my daughter and it was about as loving awkward as I'd imagined it would be, seeing it after all these years. While I'm not terribly in favor of destroying the carving, I am kinda hype at the concept of modernizing it. 
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Looks like WV has two confederate statues
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/897147686553563136 I don't think I really want to eat any food prepared by a libertarian
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The weak condemnation was probably the worst thing Trump could have done. Any level of condemnation will piss off his base while everyone else sees through the bullshit. He has no backbone. He acts like a pouting child. But in the end everytime he starts getting beat up in the media he'll go out, throw a little tantrum and then cave. All this after his weak little attempt at a strongman routine at North Korea. After folding on Healthcare. He doesn't have the intellectual strength to even recognize good policy. He doesn't have the moral strength to say "Nazis are bad". He doesn't have the strength of will to act as a leader for the Republican party. He is lacking in physical strength, intellectual strength, moral strength and strength of character. Trump is just a weak man in every sense of the word. drat near every day he hits a new low.
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evilweasel posted:my vague recollection is that the "socialist" part was sort of a relic of the pre-hitler ideology and hitler never paid any attention to it after he got control of the party (or really to any of the formal ideology of the party aside from the racism and the 'leader principle') yeah, it was the hamburg group of nazis that basically wanted a strongman version of socialism for white germany only, including "gently caress the church" and "gently caress the landed nobility". goebbels belonged to that group and never gave up some aspects of socialism entirely. the munich group around hitler worked with the conservative aristocracy and big business from the start and swallowed the hamburg fraction. the "national socialism" moniker was one of the rhetorical give-aways to the hamburg nazis to keep them placated, even though the combined group never lived up to it.
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Chilichimp posted:It's Deffo Elvis singing "Glory Glory Hallelujah" when they animate them riding across a war-torn battlefield. ...do you mean the Battle Hymn of the Republic?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I'm just posting this because I really like that it's teen vogue I still find it hilarious that Teen Vogue is at the forefront of mainstream wokeness God, 2017 is loving weird
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No Butt Stuff posted:-someone before every new poll is released showing him somehow just a tiny bit lower than before his floor is probably going to be the same as Nixon's floor which is around 25%. He might actually go lower considering nixon actually did stuff (both good and bad) where as trump has accomplished gently caress all.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:...do you mean the Battle Hymn of the Republic? Yes, it's the battle hymn, but I mean literally the part of the song where he's singing "Glory Glory Hallelujah".
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Xae posted:The weak condemnation was probably the worst thing Trump could have done. nah he sent his message so loudly the nazis might be deaf briefly, and he had to give this statement at some point to give other republicans cover everyone who cares can see past the bullshit but a lot of republicans just want an excuse to ignore it
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I dunno what this means for Daily Stormer. Can't they just find a new host etc.?
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/897147686553563136 Hilariously, its a super popular drunk food place next to Berkley
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/897147686553563136 Eh, its actually pretty good, fairly cheap, and they had good hours which was handy since a lot of places close earlyish at night in Berkeley. It was a great pre/post drinking food. ^^^ Yeah its really popular and at least the one I went to frequently had a bunch of poo poo scrawled on the walls insulting the owners and their ideals.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I dunno what this means for Daily Stormer. Can't they just find a new host etc.? Yes, there's plenty of places out there that don't care at all
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Xae posted:The weak condemnation was probably the worst thing Trump could have done. Not so sure about that. The Nazis know that they're still marginal enough that Trump needs to occasionally distance himself from them. They'll interpret his begrudging tardiness as support. And as long as I'm posting: Xombie posted:You guys can beat on Ohio all you want, but AFAIK, we have no confederate statues. https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/895369247442055168
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I dunno what this means for Daily Stormer. Can't they just find a new host etc.? Every host they find needs to be hounded into dropping them
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In a twist of horrible irony, Daily Stormer is probably only going to be able to secure hosting from some shady "we take all business" Russian hosting company who'll no doubt open up all the Nazis to identity theft and (hopefully) blackmail. "It be shame if ur boss find out u is Nazi. U pay 2 BTC or we riun ur life."
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Cingulate posted:I mean violence that creates actual suffering - you and your friends meeting up for Capoeira, or really interesting sex, is cool and good I guess. quote:I'm not sure on this one, but I'm coming to think that I'd actually go for option 2: no punishment, just rehabilitation or, if it doesn't work, quarantining. (Pereboom and Caruso have written things on this I agree with, or you can go here: http://www.believermag.com/issues/200303/?read=interview_strawson) Ha! I actually read the elder Strawson's Freedom and Resentment and I'm so use to reading Strawsonian free-will that I honestly always forget that his son doesn't play for that team. Have not read the younger much though. Reading the article, I think I would quibble with the idea that we need to be the ultimate reason for our actions -- which sounds strange -- both in the sense that I am not sure that most people think that way about free will and, even if they do, whether it would not be possible to convince that "ultimate reason" is a bad litmus test for free will. Nahmias has done some x-phi work on people's folk intuitions about free will which point towards compitablism, albeit it seems possible that people's folk intuitions are so utterly confused as to be meaningless (although, I'd be careful there, because if that is the case, we might worry that the issue philosophers are talking about how no relationship to what people think, which would call into question how relevant it is for judgments concerning punishment, etc.). quote:Maybe. Complicated stuff. I think blame is important for two reasons. First, because I find retributionism appealing and have not been won over by the no-moral responsibility team, believe that blameworthiness and praiseworthiness of patients should change our attitudes about them, even if we have other reasons for action that compel us to a similar conclusion. That is to say, I think blame is a salient moral characteristic when we use morality to guide our actions and determine appropriate attitudes. Second, most people believe in blame and praise and act accordingly to blame and praise. So that seems to give me a pragmatic reason to care about it. And, honestly, I find discussion of causes difficult because it seems very hard in most cases to know what the effects of actions will be. E.g. You, I believe, have mentioned the rise of the Nazis and communist street violence in Weimar as relating to the success of the Nazis. On the one hand, that is probably responsible for some success, but I am skeptical with how much. When I think of Weimar, I certain structural problems. I see the SPD failing to work with the far left and setting the freikorp against them in 18-19 and a cult of violence built amongst ex-soldiers (look at the soldiers profiled in Male Fantasies). The state itself was unstable and had to survive a putsch from Kapp. And the major conservative party (DNVP) opposed democracy and in the wake of the Great Depression effectively ended democracy by vesting dictatorial power into the president (by 1930, there is a article by Michael Dreyer who understands it as effectively a four part coup where different elements of the democratic system of Weimar are destroyed, but I do not have it right now, could probably get it in a week or so). So, I would read the destruction of democracy as being primarily caused by the Great Depression and by the DNVP (and to a lesser extent the KPD). Yet the DNVP would always face the problem of being very unpopular and the only party that they could turn to would be the Nazis. I look at the Reichstag fire as being ultimately secondary to their ascension to power, because the DNVP would have always been weak on the popular front and so would have always needed to turn to a right-wing violent band with popular support (like the Nazis). But this also seems to have further implications to me though. The person who burned down the Reichstag was, as far as I can tell, an unemployed Dutch Communist. It seems like it would be very difficult to control all people who have ideological affinity to you, especially in situations where democracy is dying and violence has been intensely normalized. So even if it was the cause, it hardly seems to tell us what we should do about violent antifa now (especially when the US has a number of points of disanalogy with Weimar).
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Xae posted:The weak condemnation was probably the worst thing Trump could have done. Is he a “cuck” now? Let’s check Daily Stormer to find out.... oh
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:What does the registration mean if anything? Basically the registration is what connects the website URL to the actual server. Without it you can't access the website through its URL
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Remember how Trumpcare had such a low approval rating because most people thought it went too far while others thought it didn't go far enough? Welcome to approval ratings in the 20's, President Trump. Now both sides hate you. P-Mack posted:The actual mountain makes for a very nice casual hike though. It is. And I am happy to say when I climbed it this summer it was a regular melting pot of diversity. The city of Stone Mountain is mostly Black nowadays. In an episode of 30 Rock, Kenneth the page had a flashback to his prom in Stone Mountain and he was the only White guy there.
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Hollismason posted:I just imagine getting Trump to come out and denounce Nazis is like trying to put a cat into a bath tub full of water Don't lump cats in with Trump and Nazis All breeds of human that don't kneel before them are equally contemptible to cats
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Xae posted:The weak condemnation was probably the worst thing Trump could have done. Yeah, some of my coworkers are coming around to feel that Trump isn't just cynically pandering to white supremacists for political gain, but because he actually believes in it
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/897146625516347393 I'm going to laugh a lot if Charlottesville with its "defend the Lee monument" headline is the catalyst that prompts the entire South to take down all their Confederacy monuments.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Ha, Stone Mountain's on that list. Birthplace of Klan's 2nd Reich. Quartz monzonite  They're both basically quartz and feldspar, but in different proportions.
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Chilichimp posted:It's Deffo Elvis singing "Glory Glory Hallelujah" when they animate them riding across a war-torn battlefield. Ha I remember being taken to Stone Mountain as a kid and not knowing who the gently caress the dudes in the carving were but they had a cool light show. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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farraday posted:Yes, atleast 22. late to the party but a rather large bunch of confederate exiles were allowed immigration here (there is even a city in the state of São Paulo that got most of them called "Americana") in a true lol-worthy moment, those types who were all about their freedom and their liberty and stuff became hardcore monarchists and became vocal anti-republicans once the Empire of Brazil at the time told them "yea we let you have slaves if you understand that you are a subject not a citizen and if you can become catholics would be really great"
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HappyHippo posted:Basically the registration is what connects the website URL to the actual server. Without it you can't access the website through its URL In fact I seem to remember that back in the 90s there was no such thing as a Daily Stormer domain; it and sites like it could only be accessed by IP, and the address was passed around on IRC channels and the like. I guess we can thank the opening up of domain registrars by ICANN for the current lack of oversight.
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I'm not even sure Trump's hesitation to condemn this come from his racism. I really think its because he's that loving lazy. "Hmm? Nazi March? Do I really have to get on TV for that? I guess I can say it's bad or whatever but I'm going to the course afterwords"
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Deadulus posted:Ha I remember being taken to Stone Mountain as a kid and not knowing who the gently caress the dudes in the carving was but they had a cool light show. it's a hell of a thing to see on drugs. kind of like a country fried version of the vegas strip in terms of concentrated human misery
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