Midnight Voyager posted:

The Saddest Robot posted:

Ah, so they've just started doing the prep work for Object Container Streaming? They haven't even started on it?

Virtual Captain posted:

That's one thing I love about Star Citizer. Get bored of laughing at [x] this week? Spin the wheel and laugh at [y]² because there's practically no limit the facets of failure at going on with CIG and the backers.

peter gabriel posted:

I cannot express how poo poo this is now, it's not funny, it's not fun, it's shear joyless crap and you can literally see where they have designed the fun right the gently caress out of it. "People seem to be having fun running in this area and jumping around - I think if we disabled running and jumping that would solve it, also people are playing around on the landing pads, we should really take steps to KNOCK THAT OFF"

SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

He looks like he’s Elon Musk’s disabled brother

The Titanic posted:

For all my low effort jokes I've never been to that site before. I only know of them what I've seen posted in memes and crap that need to feature something insanely corny yet strangely sexual.

peter gabriel posted:

So I thought I'd load up the game and make a fun video.
I cannot, the game will not let me:
Play it
Have any fun

They have designed the little bit of fun there was to be had right out of the game.
So, you now walk like a loving zombie on Prozac now, the tool tips (they have added a lot of these) tell you to press shift to run, so I do and I do.
The thing is, what they have done is so transparent with this my eyes rolled 365 degrees in my head and moonwalked away like an Xbox 360.
They have put in more and more 'poo poo zones' - These first started appearing years ago when the table I used to run on and jump off suddenly auto forced you to walk on it, and no where else but on that one table. This 'fixed' the issue of people jumping through the ceiling.
They now have these anti fun zones on all air locks, so you can no longer run at the doors. You are not able to move with freedom any more in multiple places and it's jarring as gently caress, as well as a SLAP IN THE FACE - it reeks of on rails console games made by EA and hand holding BULL$HIT like what evil publishers put in games.
So that sucks the fun out of that.
Then we move on to being outside. We all know that Star Citizen does not simulate anything at all but when you are outside now you get a tool tip telling you to 'monitor your oxygen levels at all times and press B to take some medicine or some bullshit' - So now you have limited time outside. I pressed B and nothing happened.
This essentially means open world dicking around is dead, you now have a fun tax slapped on that.
Then we have this new loving god awful lovely wank arse UI and how you 'interact with bullshit' - OK, so press F4 to go into 3rd person view, this is my preferred view as it really is the best way to see your commandos ultra 4K butt textures.
Now, want to OPEN A loving DOOR? Well space cadet, prepare to use your wits and training because doors no longer just open, oh no, this is the future after all. You now zombie your rear end up to the door and press F, while pressing F a very hit and miss UI pops up and your wobble your mouse at 5fps over the door handle, so now while doing this click the loving thing, go on click, click like the arsehole you are.
If this has all gone well the IMMERSION ANIMATION will open the door, and now you get to press F4 again to go back to the view you were in - every time.
This is lovely enough with doors but you want to fly a Mustang? Good luck with that, instead of being immersed in the greatest gaming experience of the century you are a twat kneeling down, pressing F, wobbling your mouse and clicking wildly at the ether hoping something, anything happens. If your man hole cover of destiny ever deigns to flop open you pop out of your preferred view, into a god awful view and all hell breaks loose until you mash F4, then guess what? PRESS F YOU BITCH AND CLICK THE loving IMMERSION LADDER - Are you having fun yet? WELL GUESS WHAT? View change out of no where. Press F4 again while totally doing the loving can can upside down and DO IT ALL AGAIN TO SIT IN A loving CHAIR.
They have killed this game dead, this is literally zero fun now.

OK, so I get in my commandos chair and IT GETS WORSE.
So now you do the press F bullshit and your chariot turns on eventually. Now then, after the usual 'Landing Gear Succsfl' welcome message you USED TO be able to hit space bar and zoom up.
Not any more motherfucker
Now you have to (while sat in the chair) press F and wobble your mouse around until you find a START CHARIOT button. This appears to do nothing.
This is as far as I got - Fuuuuuck this. The cockpit is all sort of interactive now with much F pressing going on, the UI too small to read and literally useless.
I never did take off because...

THEY HAVE NOW PUT A FUN TAX ON FLYING
So if you sit in your crap ship on the lovely grey concrete environment for too long you despawn after a warning of 'You are stationary in an active landing pad for too long you arse' warning.
So that was me, done with that poo poo, I got teleported back inside Port Olsisissrarar for loitering, my crime level went up as well, although I doubt that does anything.

I cannot express how poo poo this is now, it's not funny, it's not fun, it's shear joyless crap and you can literally see where they have designed the fun right the gently caress out of it. "People seem to be having fun running in this area and jumping around - I think if we disabled running and jumping that would solve it, also people are playing around on the landing pads, we should really take steps to KNOCK THAT OFF"

That along with 7 minutes loading screens, 12 FPS, chat still full of 'weapons not working' and other shite. It's crap, if anyone is on the fence about buying this just to see how bad it is, don't - Instead get off the fence and stare at it for an hour, it's more fun.

SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

That was 1956. Khrushchev died in 1971 and was out of power by 1964.

TheAgent posted:

binge watching the great British baking show

Mu77ley posted:

Come on! This place isn't that bad...

peter gabriel posted:

So I thought I'd load up the game and make a fun video.
I cannot, the game will not let me:
Play it
Have any fun

They have designed the little bit of fun there was to be had right out of the game.
So, you now walk like a loving zombie on Prozac now, the tool tips (they have added a lot of these) tell you to press shift to run, so I do and I do.
The thing is, what they have done is so transparent with this my eyes rolled 365 degrees in my head and moonwalked away like an Xbox 360.
They have put in more and more 'poo poo zones' - These first started appearing years ago when the table I used to run on and jump off suddenly auto forced you to walk on it, and no where else but on that one table. This 'fixed' the issue of people jumping through the ceiling.
They now have these anti fun zones on all air locks, so you can no longer run at the doors. You are not able to move with freedom any more in multiple places and it's jarring as gently caress, as well as a SLAP IN THE FACE - it reeks of on rails console games made by EA and hand holding BULL$HIT like what evil publishers put in games.
So that sucks the fun out of that.
Then we move on to being outside. We all know that Star Citizen does not simulate anything at all but when you are outside now you get a tool tip telling you to 'monitor your oxygen levels at all times and press B to take some medicine or some bullshit' - So now you have limited time outside. I pressed B and nothing happened.
This essentially means open world dicking around is dead, you now have a fun tax slapped on that.
Then we have this new loving god awful lovely wank arse UI and how you 'interact with bullshit' - OK, so press F4 to go into 3rd person view, this is my preferred view as it really is the best way to see your commandos ultra 4K butt textures.
Now, want to OPEN A loving DOOR? Well space cadet, prepare to use your wits and training because doors no longer just open, oh no, this is the future after all. You now zombie your rear end up to the door and press F, while pressing F a very hit and miss UI pops up and your wobble your mouse at 5fps over the door handle, so now while doing this click the loving thing, go on click, click like the arsehole you are.
If this has all gone well the IMMERSION ANIMATION will open the door, and now you get to press F4 again to go back to the view you were in - every time.
This is lovely enough with doors but you want to fly a Mustang? Good luck with that, instead of being immersed in the greatest gaming experience of the century you are a twat kneeling down, pressing F, wobbling your mouse and clicking wildly at the ether hoping something, anything happens. If your man hole cover of destiny ever deigns to flop open you pop out of your preferred view, into a god awful view and all hell breaks loose until you mash F4, then guess what? PRESS F YOU BITCH AND CLICK THE loving IMMERSION LADDER - Are you having fun yet? WELL GUESS WHAT? View change out of no where. Press F4 again while totally doing the loving can can upside down and DO IT ALL AGAIN TO SIT IN A loving CHAIR.
They have killed this game dead, this is literally zero fun now.

OK, so I get in my commandos chair and IT GETS WORSE.
So now you do the press F bullshit and your chariot turns on eventually. Now then, after the usual 'Landing Gear Succsfl' welcome message you USED TO be able to hit space bar and zoom up.
Not any more motherfucker
Now you have to (while sat in the chair) press F and wobble your mouse around until you find a START CHARIOT button. This appears to do nothing.
This is as far as I got - Fuuuuuck this. The cockpit is all sort of interactive now with much F pressing going on, the UI too small to read and literally useless.
I never did take off because...

THEY HAVE NOW PUT A FUN TAX ON FLYING
So if you sit in your crap ship on the lovely grey concrete environment for too long you despawn after a warning of 'You are stationary in an active landing pad for too long you arse' warning.
So that was me, done with that poo poo, I got teleported back inside Port Olsisissrarar for loitering, my crime level went up as well, although I doubt that does anything.

I cannot express how poo poo this is now, it's not funny, it's not fun, it's shear joyless crap and you can literally see where they have designed the fun right the gently caress out of it. "People seem to be having fun running in this area and jumping around - I think if we disabled running and jumping that would solve it, also people are playing around on the landing pads, we should really take steps to KNOCK THAT OFF"

That along with 7 minutes loading screens, 12 FPS, chat still full of 'weapons not working' and other shite. It's crap, if anyone is on the fence about buying this just to see how bad it is, don't - Instead get off the fence and stare at it for an hour, it's more fun.

intardnation posted:

it is so open they have 2 different trackers. One for the public and one internal.

BoredGamer posted:

It's not this super competitive Overwatch game that is... that can be pay to win, it is a much more roleplay larger gameplay experience. That it's supposed to be an adventure for everyone and they can do whatever they want to do; some people are gonna be playing this like Second Life in space.

I suppose if you want a capital ship join an org, and the organization system in Star Citizen I think is key for a lot of people's enjoyment - crewing manpower, being actually skilled at doing a particular job - these are all important tenets of the game and everyone's gonna be probably more skilled of certain areas than others.

The 1v1 mentality of play to win isn't as applicable in Star Citizen it isn't about owning a ship.

Potato Salad posted:

French bread is a thing in the states

Quavers posted:

The new narrative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGlgIlZAp4&t=575s


BoredGamer doesn't understand gamers. Shocking revelation I know.

Quavers posted:

The new narrative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGlgIlZAp4&t=575s


BoredGamer doesn't understand gamers. Shocking revelation I know.

Beet Wagon posted:

Ironically, "Lifetime Insurance," the thing that they said over and over again barely even mattered, is the wrench stuck in the gears that makes Star Citizen pay to win. The simple fact that you can pay for something that is impossible for you to lose is what shoots the "But but but EVE has pleeeeeeex" line in the foot.

also, congrats on having thought more about MMO economies in one post than Chris Roberts has in six years.

Paramemetic posted:

It'll let you do anything you want.


Unless you want to run or jump near a door.

quote:

Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's, that's obviously a one-word answer, there. :laughs:

Uh..., so, what we have right now isn't, uh, what I'm happy with, uh, so we are, actually, uh, bit of a spoiler alert, working on, uh, some stuff, skunkworks things I'm doing to, uh, address some of the issues, uh, that I have currently with what we're doing. It - This is always a difficult one because everyone has slightly different, uh, opinions or visions of it. Uh, A lot of stuff has been informed by things like Star Wars, which is basically taking World War II aerodynamic, uh, maneuvers and having them happen in space. Uh, a-and I've alwa-, y'know, when we started- started star citizen, Now, I kind of, sort of pitched this idea of having it physically... better, like we have newtonian mechanics and everything sort of operates inside that, and it does in the current system too. I know a lot of people feel like it doesn't, but that's mostly because in a lot of ships in the current system, the amount of, uhm, force that can be exerted by any of the thrusters is huge. So, y'know, when any one of your maneuvering thrusters can exert 6 g's of thrust, then, it means, y'know, basically, hanging around in an atmosphere doesn't really matter, your gravity doesn't, you don't, y'know, you can go left, right, up, down, whatever. Uhm, so, I actually feel like we..., uh, uhm, over...powered the maneuvering, and you always do a differ-, you do a balance between this, because if you have, ah, more realistic forces from, say, your maneuvering thrusters, ah, it means that, it all- y'know... you will move a turn slower. So, I mean, there's a tv show - I think there's quite a lot of people have watched, called The Expanse, that actually does a good job of being real science about it, uh, and I wouldn't say that I want to go all that way about it, because, y'know, at a certain sort of speed, you'd, you'd take forever to turn around, and all the rest of the stuff. But if you watch The Expanse, it does a good job of sort of showing the realities of it, and would - and also gives you a good idea why, for instance, you'd want to keep your velocity low when doing, like, radical maneuvering in a, in a dogfight, because, yknow, if you want to... change your heading by 180 degrees, and you're going, y'know, too fast, the amount of g's that would take on the human body is, is, y'know, is life-threatening, basically. Uhm. So, what I really want is I wanna have the dogfighting work within the parameters of proper physics; I want to bring back, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the balance on the ships in terms of not overpowering the thrusters, 'cause... there's all these different, y'know, people want their six degrees of freedom, and they want to be able to strafe up and down, and do this, and they wanna be... so everyone- all - what I feel has happened in the past is everyone's had all these competing things they want to see, they wanna see their WWII style dogfighting, and all the rest - and so there's, there's been too much of it sort of coming in and, to, to fix one thing for this one particular sort of point of view has sort of stomped on some other stuff, and I feel like everything's become a sort of a mishmash, and everything's become a bit too overpowered, and so what I want to move towards is, uh, more distinct personalities on the ships, and I don't want ships to be so powerful they can adjust their course as quickly as they currently do, uh, but we don't wanna go too far in the other direction cause otherwise people will be, like, "uh, I turn, and I'm still going this way and I slide forever," and that's super-frustrating, too, so it's a balance. And I also want to make sure that the, uh, the- the, uh, sort of, allocation of your power - uhm, y'know, whether you're sort-of overpowering your thrusters has an affect on it's sort-of heat output, and also whether that thruster may misfire or not, or, uh, if you get your thrusters damaged, could also affect your ability to maneuver, and all that's not particularly done or simulated very well, so we've been working, uh, for a while on the sort of new version of IFCS that works inside the new item system, which is all fully sort of multi-threaded, batched and everything. Uh, it's not ready to deploy yet, it's sort of what I'm hinting at that we'll be showing... perhaps we'll show a preview at CitizenCon, but, uh, we'll see, uh, but it's on our schedule for the end of the year, uhm, and, uh, it has a sort of full-over holistic design, as far as this goes, to deliver something that's closer to what I like, which is basically, I want trade-offs, I want pro and cons to doing certain things, so, uh, you could potentially overpower your thruster to be able to exert a bit more force to be able to turn a bit quicker, but if you're doing that, you're uhm, y'know, potentially overheating it, which could potentially cause it to, uh, well, definitely wear more, and could potentially cause it to misfire, so, there's a balance, uhm. There's a model, that, uh, that, uhm, you know, it's sort of, ah, there's, ah, there's a couple of sort of modern, uh, current? sort of plasma thruster designs, uh, so that's kind of what we're doing, where the idea would be, that, :phone rings: ah! you know, my phone! Uff! How did that happen. Sorry. I thought I put it on silent, sorry guys! Uhm, anyway, so the idea is that, uhm, you basically would, uh, you know, you need power, and you need a sort of, uh... matter, which would be...uhm, y'know, whatever, hydrogen, or, argon, or whatever, that you would then turn into plasma and then you would eject by magnetizing it as fast as possible out, so therefore, your sort of power..., y'know, input, or power that you can pull to your thrusters helps the amount you can thrust, and then also whatever you're storing as your raw matter that you ionize and eject. Ah, so we're, we're sort of running on all that stuff, ah, so it'll be much, ah, I think... it will, it will, it will... hopefully have a lot of nuance, and a lot of trade-off and balance, ah, and, but of course, on the basic level, we'll want to make the simple ifcs handling within certain parameters easy for someone that's just getting in and playing the game, but if you're a, y'know, you're an expert, you're pushing it, you're learning how to fly, I think oyu'll be sort of fine tuning your uhm your power output and thrusters, and balancing them by running them as you go along, in a, uh, in a manner that could, y'know, potentially give you that little bit of an edge in a dogfight. So, that's kind of, uh, that's what we're going for. Talkeda bout a lot of this in the past, I sort of feel like the current system, aah, y'know, never really delivered that, because it sort of, uh, was trying to do too many things, and it was also very designer-driven in terms of, uh, y'know, the designer would, "Ok, I want it to go...roll or rotate or strage at this rate," and then the algorithm figured out "oh, well then you need this much thrust." And then you'd look at it, and you'd go, "there's no way that this ship should really exert this amount of thrust through one of these maneuvering thrusters, it, that's ridiculous, you couldn't do that on something this size." And so my big, uhhhh, sort of direction is being, look, we need to make sure that we're realistic on our masses, we're realistic on the amount of power or, or.. thrust, impulses, we can deliver on our ship to move around, ah, y'know, within a balnace so it's not, like, fully like the expanse, cause that's, <?? unintelligble?>> not be quite fun, but, but walking the line between kind of where it has been which I feel is too overpowered, and something that's more realistic, but underneath it's all underpinned fully by physics, and the physics system itself is going through a major refactor, uhm, which is still a few releases away, but, again we're refactoring a bunch of stuff under the hood on the physics, for better performance, better scalability on the server, and out on the client, aah, and uh, and uh, we're looking at a different rigid-body uh, simulation, uh, that's going to be more reliable, uh, than the, uh, the old one. So, I think all these things added together, ultimately, will provide a, uh, a much better experience.

So there you are, tht's my one-word answer.

Potato Salad posted:

French bread is a thing in the states

Wonder bread from the Amazonian home island, too

Agony Aunt posted:

And yet people screamed ED was pay to win with Horizons and even... wait for it.... that some backers got to start with a Cobra Mk3 instead of a Sidewinder! *shock*

Ok, there is a point with Horizons to some extent, engineering does add power and it is especially important in PvP. My hope here is that FD wrap Horizons into the base game with 4.0 and it will put that issue to rest.

But i wonder how many SC fans screamed ED was pay to win with Horizons... i'm sure i've seen a post or two like that on the Steam forums on those occasions where a SC acolyte started a thread to promote SC.

Paramemetic posted:

It'll let you do anything you want.


Unless you want to run or jump near a door.

reddit posted:

Hi everyone,

I am one of the loathed P2W citizens who has numerous ships and just recently gained a bunch of starting UEC due to melting items that are no longer featured in the game.

Yesterday I worked for 14 hours, I played Star Citizen for 1 hour. In that time I recovered a black box from a crashed ship, I loaned out a Rover to a new player, I picked up and deployed a beacon, got into my ships bed and logged off.

Two days ago I worked for 14 hours, I played Star Citizen for 1.5 hours. In that time I was flying around in an Avenger Titan, completed an investigation and then asked if anyone had a 600i I could have a look at. A scumbag PayToWin player politely obliged and turned up in his 600i, we proceeded to spend the next hour flying around planets at low altitude enjoying the view and then seeing if we could fit my rover inside the ship.

Last week I jumped in my Starfarer Gemini, I had been to Levski to pick up the Rover and wanted to test how well it stayed in place in the hold. A player piloted Gladius popped in and started shooting at me, I set a jump point but got destroyed before I could go anywhere. What confused me most is that I had clearly PayedToWin, I mean A $340 ship vs a $90 ship, I am surprised that the Gladius didn't just explode after it saw the price of my ship. It must have been a bug.

Now I have been led to believe that I am a massive scumbag who will actively go out of my way to ruin the game for others due to this UEC and owning multiple ships. I've backed a fair amount because I want this project to succeed, I've also gifted a good few ships to friends because I want them to enjoy it too. (UGHHH GiftToWin Scumbags Amirite?).

Backer info

2,066,323 people have joined Star Citizen. (Not necessarily backed)

$191,448,234 in funding

If each of these backers had only purchased a basic MUSTANG ALPHA/AURORA STARTER PACK ($45)

$92,984,535 in funding

$98,463,699 less

If each of these backers had purchased the combo pack after the price hike and at current price point ($65)$134,310,995

$57,137,239 less in funding

So people paying to win has accounted for between 1/2 and 1/3 of the games total funding.

Mr Fronts posted:

Goons are the only people who want to do this.

loving goons. With their unimmersive third person point of view and their loving table jumping and running in shops and running in airlocks and trying to fly a ship in the wrong spacesuit and sitting on a landing pad instead of taking off and shooting their loving weapons in safe spaces. STOP THAT. STOP THAT AT ONCE AND LET PEOPLE WIN BY HAVING FUN.