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Grizzwold posted:BCs and fast BBs (once invented) can show up in cruiser actions, which makes CAs much less viable as the game goes on. I think CAs are still super useful at every stage of the game...mid game you have to make sure they can outrun any enemy capital ships, but they make great raiders and counter-raiders. Late game they're great seaplane platforms.
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This is my "cruiser" in my russia game. Approx 1910 tech. It shows up in all sorts of fights and clowns everything other than modern BCs (and it's as good as a BB in a battleship fight). In exchange I have built 0 CAs and my CLs are all out raiding so they don't accidentally get drawn on for action.
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Compendium of Naval Legislation of the Russian Empire, 1900-1915 Passed and In Effect Concord of the Admiralty and Tsar, 1899 Grey Hunter posted:"The research budget shall be set to 12%. December 1901 Admiralty Session Infidelicious posted:No Ship Left Behind Act vyelkin posted:Bring Your Own Battleship Act December 1905 Admiralty Session Zip! posted:PUT YOUR TOYS AWAY Act December 1906 Admiralty Session wedgekree posted:Hail Germania Act December 1907 Admiralty Session Infidelicious posted:"Stop the Undersea Fetishists Act" March 1909 Special Admiralty Session Saros posted:Tsushima Time act December 1909 Admiralty Session Gervasius posted:Verni Paradox Act simplefish posted:Flying The Flag Act December 1910 Admiralty Session Gay Hitler posted:Update ship operating manuals Act wedgekree posted:Research and Rearm Neophyte posted:A (Single) Potato in Every Pot May 1914 Special Admiralty Session Epicurius posted:Tsar's Holiday Act Servetus posted:Anarchy for thee, but not for me. December 1914 Admiralty Session Mister Bates posted:The Fleet Air Arm Act Infidelicious posted:Anti Kleptocracy and Creative Latitude Act December 1914 Admiralty Session King Hong Kong posted:Portsmouth Peace Conference Act December 1915 Admiralty Session Xarn posted:Risk the Yacht Promulgation Passed and Fulfilled December 1900 Admiralty Session sum posted:Transparent Cronyism Act of 1901 Boksi posted:Commerce Protection and Anti-Protection Measures Infidelicious posted:Joint Surface Fleet - Basic overhaul of national design objectives in general for a glorious lean expeditionary force to be named Force 35, Act, aka JSF Boondoggle F35 Act habeasdorkus posted:THE UNDERWATER BOTE PROCLAIMATION OF 1902 AtomikKrab posted:Loot and Scoot Act Leperflesh posted:TSAR DEMANDS LUXURY YACHT STOP Imperative Bremen posted:Sunk Cost Fallacy Act vyelkin posted:For the Love of bewbies posted:Guerre de Course Act bewbies posted:Corvettes Are Not Just For Successful Plumbers Act Splode posted:Build a battleship act Part 2 KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:scrap that piece of junk we got from the Japanese Veloxyll posted:DESTROY-er The Joint Act Danann posted:New World Ironworks Act DesperateDan posted:destroyers with shitloads of torpedoes act Veloxyll posted:British Boondoggle Act habeasdorkus posted:build an airship base vyelkin posted:If it ain't broke act DesperateDan posted:another 8 destroyers Act December 1914 Admiralty Session Comstar posted:Build a seaplane carrier Act Passed and Expired December 1900 Admiralty Session Infidelicious posted:FIRE for effect Act - Expired January 1, 1908 vyelkin posted:Far Eastern Readiness Act December 1902 Admiralty Session simplefish posted:JUST NOT CRICKET Act December 1904 Admiralty Session Boksi posted:Making Do With What We Have Act - Overridden by the Guerre de Course Act in January 1909 December 1906 Admiralty Session Danann posted:Submarine Stockpiling Act - Overridden by the For the Love of Failed to Pass December 1900 Admiralty Session Bacarruda posted:
The Lone Badger posted:Give War A Chance Act DesperateDan posted:Shove The Germans act wedgekree posted:Base of Blades Act vyelkin posted:Give Peace a Chance Act Bacarruda posted:Finish the Cruisers Act Bacarruda posted:Experimental Submarine Squadron Act Danann posted:Submarine Stockpiling Act v1.1 Danann posted:Shore Infrastructure Act Splode posted:build a battleship Act sum posted:Eyes off the Prize Act Danann posted:Foreign Destroyer Examination Act Jimmy4400nav posted:Split the Difference Act Mister Bates posted:The Put Our Destroyers To Good Use Act Veloxyll posted:The Tzardoom Act Splode posted:Quit while you're ahead Act bewbies posted:Air is the Future Act Dance Officer posted:Remove the Yacht from active service for the duration of the war Promulgation habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Aug 18, 2019 |
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Compendium of Naval Designs of the Russian Empire, 1901-1915 Submitted for the Transparent Cronyism Act Design Contest of 1901 WINNING DESIGN Infidelicious posted:Blyat-class Battleship Other Submissions Boksi posted:Proyekt 41501-class Battleship Bremen posted:Vodka-class Battleship Pirate Radar posted:Vladivostok-class Battleship Paingod556 posted:Catharine the Great-class Battleship habeasdorkus posted:Ekaterina Velikaya-class Battleship dogsarentdangerous posted:Proposal A-class Battleship sum posted:Model 1901-class Battleship Gnoman posted:Michael Alexandrovich-class Battleship Submitted for the Commerce Protection and Anti-Protection Measures Design Contests of 1902 WINNING DESIGN Infidelicious posted:Vorobey-class Light Cruiser Paingod556 posted:Podzhi-class Corvette habeasdorkus posted:Revizor-class Light Cruiser Pirate Radar posted:Akula-class Light Cruiser Boksi posted:Proyekt 21202-class Corvette sum posted:Björnfälla-class Corvette professor_curly posted:Nadezhny-class Corvette. Submitted for the 600 Act Design Contest of 1903 WINNING DESIGN habeasdorkus posted:Podliv-class Destroyer professor_curly posted:Molniya-class Destroyer Bremen posted:Komar-class Destroyer Boksi posted:Proyekt 10603class Destroyer Infidelicious posted:Igla-class Destroyer Submitted for the JSF Boondoggle F35 Act Design Contest of 1903 WINNING DESIGN professor_curly posted:Grom-class Armored Cruiser Boksi posted:Proyekt 31303-class Armored Cruiser Pirate Radar posted:Pallada-class Light Cruiser habeasdorkus posted:Khokkey-class Armored Cruiser Infidelicious posted:Ctankep-class Armored Cruiser Submitted for the Tsar's Luxury Yacht Design Contest of 1905 WINNING DESIGN habeasdorkus posted:Imperator Nicolai Veliki-class Royal Yacht professor_curly posted:Pravitel Morya-i-Neba-class Royal Yacht Pirate Radar posted:Nositel Nositel Strasti-class Royal Yacht Paingod556 posted:Diana Royale-class Royal Yacht Paingod556 posted:Romanov's Pride-class Royal Yacht Bacarruda posted:Derzhava II-class Royal Yacht Bacarruda posted:Livadia III-class Royal Yacht Bacarruda posted:Sankt-Peterburg-class Royal Yacht (cont) habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Submitted for the Guerre de Course Act Design Contest of 1908 WINNING DESIGN Infidelicious posted:Falconyet-class Light Cruiser Infidelicious posted:Falconet-class Light Cruiser sum posted:Vit Elefant-class Light Cruiser unwantedplatypus posted:bit' veshch'-class Light Cruiser Submitted for the Corvettes Are Not Just For Successful Plumbers Act Design Contest of 1909 WINNING DESIGN Veloxyll posted:Dakkalor-class Corvette Chunky Monkey posted:Svobodu-class Corvette Submitted for the Build a Battleship Design Contest of 1910 WINNING DESIGN sum posted:Åsidosätta-class Dreadnought Veloxyll posted:Duhk Zakona-class Battlecruiser habeasdorkus posted:Kot Begemot-class Battlecruiser. Jimmy4400nav posted:Riga-class Battlecruiser professor_curly posted:Tsesarevich-class Dreadnought Submitted for the New World Ironworks Design Contest of 1912 WINNING DESIGN Chunky Monkey posted:Verni-class Destroyer Gnoman posted:Bodri-class Destroyer Infidelicious posted:Repon Verni-class Destroyer HisMajestyBOB posted:Amerikanskiy Esminets-class Destroyer Submitted for the British Boondoggle Act Design Contest of 1913 WINNING DESIGN sum posted:Ryska Sjön-class Dreadnought Paingod556 posted:Teatime-class Dreadnought Jimmy4400nav posted:Potemkin-class Dreadnought Infidelicious posted:Grand Friendship-class Dreadnought Veloxyll posted:ZANIMAT'SYA BESSMYSLENNYM DELON-class Dreadnought Gnoman posted:Ivan IV Vasilyevich-class Dreadnought habeasdorkus posted:Liviafan-class Dreadnought Submitted for the destroyers with shitloads of torpedoes act Design Contest of 1913 WINNING DESIGN habeasdorkus posted:Bolshoy Igriz-class Destroyer Jimmy4400nav posted:Zhiovi-class Destroyer Submitted for the another 8 destroyers Design Contest of 1914 WINNING DESIGN Jimmy4400nav posted:Kashin-class Destroyer Breadmaster posted:Gremyashhi-class Destroyer Veloxyll posted:Tuskyly-class Destroyer habeasdorkus posted:Maly Igriz-class Destroyer Submitted for the Build a seaplane carrier Act Design Contest of 1915 WINNING DESIGN Veloxyll posted:loDHom puv-class Seaplane Tender Boksi posted:Proyekt 50514-class Seaplane Tender
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Nay Nay Nay Aye
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 00:05 |
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We should exile habeasdorkus for being a German spy. The Portsmouth Peace Conference Act that they opposed did pass. The voting in that session was weird but Grey counted it as having passed.
King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 18, 2019 |
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Really? Huh. I'll go back and fix the compendium the next time I'm at my desktop. Btw, we REALLY need to pass a couple laws in the next session that we can stop being nice to Germany AND to make sure we're not antagonizing our ally UK.
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 01:46 |
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Aye Aye Aye Aye Let the AYe's have it!
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:15 |
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NAY - I outlined the flaws in this act earlier. YAY - Its mine and it's likely our only chance to get a design round or begin construction of new vessels until the war ends; and I'm curious as to what people will design and approve since it's 160m that can be anything from 8m raiding CLs to 80m heavy raider CAs or BCs. It's also a way forward at least one fully realized arm of our fleet, which this navy desperately needs. YAY - though I'm not sure this can be legislated since it is the purview of the BuOrd NAY - is not meaningfully different from existing passed bills.
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TheDemon posted:Also if you don't have any BCs then your Bs can show up in cruiser actions and they're actually quite good at it. The Tsar's yacht is screwing us over here. Grey COULD put the Tzar's yacht in for replacement of the guns. Which is like an 8 month refit job that would take it off the line. Whether he wants 18" -2s from the UK or the best local cannons, well, that's entirely up to him.
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Veloxyll posted:Grey COULD put the Tzar's yacht in for replacement of the guns. Which is like an 8 month refit job that would take it off the line. Whether he wants 18" -2s from the UK or the best local cannons, well, that's entirely up to him. They're only -1, actually. Which makes em quite good for 1916.
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Infidelicious posted:YAY - though I'm not sure this can be legislated since it is the purview of the BuOrd I don't have control over the percentage of the budget dedicated to research; I only get to prioritize how that budget is spent. And, now, demand airplane designs, although I'm still not really clear on how my demands get met.
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Nay Nay Aye Aye
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Leperflesh posted:I don't have control over the percentage of the budget dedicated to research; I only get to prioritize how that budget is spent. I'll go through it in the next update. I'll try and do a vote count today, but the idiots demolishing the old cooling towers in my town cut power. It's messed up my morning plans....
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 08:25 |
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Thanks so much, this is a huge help
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 10:18 |
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simplefish posted:Thanks so much, this is a huge help Grey, if you'd like to sticky a link to the post with all the legislation in the OP, I'll keep the active laws updated.
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Heavy Cruisers Oh God Where Are the Heavy Cruisers? Act. Fails Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus Passes Temporary Re-Armament Focus Act Passes Peace Negotiations Act Passes so, we need more ship designs. quote:Infidelicious posted:
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 05:24 |
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We need a new save, and are we still on 1.00?
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 06:10 |
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CRAP! New save when I get home from work!
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 08:18 |
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Gentlemen. Behold.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 10:24 |
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Durendal posted:Gentlemen. Behold. I need a bigger
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 10:27 |
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Pirate Radar posted:I need a bigger
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 11:50 |
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Durendal posted:Gentlemen. Behold. The best part is that they're all submerged torpedo tubes, too. I guess the idea was to just fire off a broadside so the inability to aim isn't as much of a problem?
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 11:54 |
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“What if Macross missile spam, but underwater?”
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 12:02 |
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Google-translated page discussing this in some Russian book: https://translate.google.com/transl...tml&prev=search quote:In a number of large fleets (German, American) in the early 10s. The idea of creating a large, high-speed, well-protected surface ship carrying a large number of "mine" (torpedo) vehicles and therefore called the "mine battleship" was actively worked out. The main idea of such a ship was to deliver a massive torpedo strike against a column of enemy battleships in a daytime squadron battle of the main forces.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 13:44 |
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Durendal posted:Gentlemen. Behold. The Salon would like to order 12 of them, sight unseen.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 14:13 |
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you can build a late game kitakami that is pretty devastating in a fleet battle but it will also get pulled in to cruiser actions all the time which is a dumb waste
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 17:21 |
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Durendal posted:Gentlemen. Behold. Wasn't an IRL German Battlecruiser nearly sunk by having a single submerged torp tube hit by gunfire?
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 20:23 |
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Putting the holes in ahead of time will confound the enemy and assure victory.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 20:52 |
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dogsarentdangerous posted:Wasn't an IRL German Battlecruiser nearly sunk by having a single submerged torp tube hit by gunfire? I think the opposite. Seydlitz was only kept from sinking because the only compartment in her bow that remained unflooded was the forward torpedo room, and remained the only buoyancy left in the forecastle.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 21:03 |
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This also reminds me that the fire for effect act has expired but the ammo counts and usage has probably remained unchanged. Should probably get looked over and changed before the 18" BB leaves the slip.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 21:04 |
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmi0pa65zkcvgha/AAADcAoppsNhSI-9n4IUId6Ya?dl=0 Sorry for being slow, I'm running a 39C temp atm! Don't worry, It should not impact my output to much....
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# ? Aug 20, 2019 05:45 |
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Grey Hunter posted:Sorry for being slow, I'm running a 39C temp atm!
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# ? Aug 20, 2019 09:04 |
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Shiver, shiver. LP.... Bake.... It's not too bad, but it's weird to have a fever without any other symptoms...
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# ? Aug 20, 2019 11:51 |
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Fever without any other symptoms? Yeah, I've had that, it sucks. Anyway, here's a fleet scout cruiser! The Proyekt 33915 design focuses on achieving its goal in the cheapest possible way. By keeping the design small, short-ranged and relatively slow(though not slower than the rest of the fleet), we've managed to cut costs down to the point where the projected budget of 85M should suffice for a flight of six vessels! At the same time, it's quite capable of performing its role. It can outgun destroyers with a broadside of six 6" guns and a modest armor belt to protect it from return fire, while any larger vessels are threatened by its six torpedo broadside. Finally, it also has the equipment for carrying and using a floatplane, which significantly enhances its scouting capability.
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(Prince Valeryan Igorovich Urodlivyy, founding member of the Русские созданы для борьбы и победы Salon, at a historical costume ball in St. Petersburg, circa 1899) My dearest cousin and eternally victorious Emperor, It was with great interest that I watched the progress of the Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus through the State Council. The salon that I host had a number of ideas, and I've picked two to forward to both the admiral and your Majesty that meet requirements. I hope that they find your favor, and look forward to seeing you in St. Petersburg when next your namesake returns to port after crushing the Germans further. Fyodorovich-class Fleet Cruiser Ship Design The Fyodorovich is designed to fulfill a desperate need in our current fleet, that of a screen for the main battle line. Thanks to recent advances in oil fired engines, and the expansion of wells in the caucuses, we now have both technology and supply to equip ourselves with the most modern designs. The Fyodorovich makes 25 knots, allowing it to screen ahead of our battle line, or to move to intercept torpedo boats before they can threaten. Their armament should be enough to match any fellow light cruiser and any number of destroyers. The catch is that, like all light cruisers, it cannot stand up to a firefight with more moderns armored cruisers and especially not to capital ships. Still, it provides greater capabilities than anything short of our Grom-class heavy cruisers, and at 40% the cost of one of those behemoths. Gonchaya-Class Commerce Raider Ship Design Like her big brother, the Gonchaya also makes use of the superlative new oil burning turbines, and similarly makes an impressive 25 knots. She has the range to be successful in any theater. Her armament can shred merchant marine and escorts alike, while her speed will keep her safe from anything that can threaten her. And at just under 18.6m rubles per hull we can afford nine of them, each of which will be deadlier to enemy shipping than our current Falconyet cruisers at a full 8.9m rubles less per ship! All hail Russia! All hail the undefeated Tsar Nikolai II! Forever loyally yours, Koyla PS: For your ease, cuz, I have included the following table that the bean-counters can use in determining their costs: Fleet Cruisers: x3 at ₽24.5m per hull, total cost ₽75.5m including design study. 24 months to build all three in one flight at a cost of ₽3m/month. Commerce Raiders: x9 at ₽18.6m per hull, total cost ₽169m including design study. 48 months to build all nine in two flights at a cost of ₽3.1m/month (flight one) and ₽3.9m/month (flight two) Submarine Force: x10 at ₽3.6m per bote, total cost ₽20m total, in flights of five at roughly ₽1000/month per flight. Done in 36 months. Total Cost: ₽264.5m outlay, ₽7.1m/month for the first 24 months, then ₽4.9m for another 24 months. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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That is really impressive cost cutting, and while quantity has a quality all it's own; I feel 1 knot of closing over our 23 knot CA's and B's is insufficient to reposition within a formation, and it will be incapable of escaping if it is forced into a cruiser battle without the rest of the fleet. at LOLZ shipwrights we have pored over the lessons learned over the past years battles, and combined cutting edge technologies to give the Russian Navy a definitive advantage in future conflicts. Our Candidate for the Fleet Scout Cruiser is The Skopa (Osprey) The Skopa is a swift and deadly predator like it's namesake. https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4j9dunqhlqe63n/Skopa.30d?dl=0 Ship file Ignore name in ship builder, it's fixed. (Thanks for fixing transliteration, I used wrong thing that only did Cyrillic and couldn't be hosed to type Cyrillic out or C/P it a bunch) SPEED: At a blistering 27 knots; The Skopa is fast enough to maintain station, investigate spotting reports, or change position within a formation; even if the battlegroup is steaming at a full 23 knots. Her Oil fired powerplant does not require the vessel to slow down to clean grates, or for crew members to manually stoke the boilers. FIREPOWER: She is equipped with four 203mm Naval Rifles in two twin turrets, as well as a unique secondary arrangement that allows her to bring 6 155mm guns to bear on either side, with 11 guns total. She also brings two massive 12 torpedo broadsides to bear in a close range fight; enough torpedoes to ensure the swift destruction of any vessels spotted at short range, in the fog or darkness. SURVIVABILITY: She maintains full splinter protection to the entirety of her belt, and main turrets; as well as partial splinter protection on the deck. She also has a revolutionary torpedo defense system, capable of mitigating the impact and reducing the likelihood of a total loss while engaging other torpedo armed vessels. AERIAL CAPABILITY: She carries two seaplanes for long range scouting purposes. All this new technology comes at a cost, however... and that cost is money. She costs just under 40m, and would be built with her sister ship for just under 80m. However, the idea of Twin Eagles, ruling the seas is aspirational and quite fitting for the future of the Russian Navy. 2 vessels, that cost 1578 per month each / 3156 per month total for 24 months. Outlay is 75,744,000 Falconet II REDACTED While we initially planned on updating the last winner of the raider design contest, the Falconet, we have since decided that another offering was too similar and have instead proposed this radical departure from doctrine. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dtwpeibveg8oleq/Gorshok%20Meda.30d?dl=0 The Gorshok Meda (Honeypot) is designed to destroy counter raiding forces, and force the enemy to commit their Capital Ships to protecting trade routes instead of engaging our main fleet; this will enable us to defeat our enemies in detail. Heavy Armarment, Reliability and Range with enough speed to outrun Battleships and keep the distance open for an extended period against fast battlecruisers. Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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btw, this is the dreadnought we can currently build in our home yard: PHWOAR. And we're only 5 months from another 2,000 ton increase in shipyard size.
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I'm sorry but I will vote against the "Ckona" on principle because of that abomination of a transliteration Скопа in Cyrillic sure, but for transliteration that's Skopa, which is a fine name for a ship imo for the love of god and the tsar please change the name
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