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bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

Grizzwold posted:

BCs and fast BBs (once invented) can show up in cruiser actions, which makes CAs much less viable as the game goes on.

I think CAs are still super useful at every stage of the game...mid game you have to make sure they can outrun any enemy capital ships, but they make great raiders and counter-raiders. Late game they're great seaplane platforms.

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TheDemon
Dec 11, 2006

...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.
This is my "cruiser" in my russia game. Approx 1910 tech. It shows up in all sorts of fights and clowns everything other than modern BCs (and it's as good as a BB in a battleship fight). In exchange I have built 0 CAs and my CLs are all out raiding so they don't accidentally get drawn on for action.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Compendium of Naval Legislation of the Russian Empire, 1900-1915

Passed and In Effect
Concord of the Admiralty and Tsar, 1899

Grey Hunter posted:

"The research budget shall be set to 12%.
We shall run low levels of intelligence on all nations."
Priority 1) Budget
Priority 2) Prestige

December 1901 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

No Ship Left Behind Act
"All new construction must meet or exceed the speeds listed unless otherwise overridden in individual construction mandate legislation where line speed is considered secondary priority EX: design specifically calling for a say a minesweeper or coastal defense battleship is exempted from this bill.

B/BB/CA/CL 23 knots BC 25 knots DD 27 knots

once sufficient tonnage meets these speeds all efforts will be made to place older ships incapable of meeting these requirements either in reserve status or in the zone less likely to see combat, at Greys discretion."

vyelkin posted:

Bring Your Own Battleship Act
"This act proposes that we immediately spend money to expand the size of our docks and shipyards, to allow for the future construction of larger vessels. And that once these new docks are completed, we continue expanding our docks and shipyards until told otherwise. These new 600-ton destroyers have made it clear that the future of naval warfare is larger vessels, and we must be prepared for that future."

December 1905 Admiralty Session

Zip! posted:

PUT YOUR TOYS AWAY Act
"Upon the cessation of all/any hostilities moving forward for future conflicts, our dearest Commander in Chef will automatically either mothball or put into a reserve a portion of the fleet that he deems appropriate to allow us to maximize cost savings for further development of the fleet during times of peace unless explicitly directed by our assembled privy Council."
- As Amended regarding the Royal Yacht

December 1906 Admiralty Session

wedgekree posted:

Hail Germania Act
"Positive relations should be pursued with the German Empire. We have had several beneficial deals with them and our relationship has improved. We should push for the reestablishment of the Dual Emperor's Leauge and align ourselves with them. If possible, we should try to establish an alliance with them."

December 1907 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

"Stop the Undersea Fetishists Act"
"Once 25 Submarines are constructed, No new submarine shall be constructed during times of peace; while at war submarines can be built at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy up to an overall construction cost of 1600 /month; and any Submarine that began construction during wartime can be finished or scrapped at the end of hostilities at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy (Grey)."

March 1909 Special Admiralty Session

Saros posted:

Tsushima Time act
"C) After the war is finished it establishes new priorities for the Far East fleet. It is to consist of the oldest 40% of the destroyers and line of battle ships (B/BB) and they are to be kept in mothball status unless we are at war or a war is likely in Northern Europe when they can be re-deployed as the Admiral sees fit."

December 1909 Admiralty Session

Gervasius posted:

Verni Paradox Act

"There must always be one destroyer named Verni in service at all times. In case Verni is sunk in combat, next DD off slipways will also bear the name Verni."

simplefish posted:

Flying The Flag Act
"- The Tsar's Yacht must be kept in the current theatre when at war - it's too imppsing and modern not leverage and apparently scares the Japanese witless
- it must not run away like a coward when it is in battle, especially when it has more speed and longer range guns than its quarry
- it must not do stupid semi-suicidal attack runs for "elan" or other silly reasons
- basically treat it like a normal ship
- BUT our other ships, especially destroyers, must ensure our flag keeps flying - whilr damaging the enemy is still clearly their mission, the moment the Tsar's yacht is at risk they must hurry to help it (if close enough to actually affect things)"

December 1910 Admiralty Session

Gay Hitler posted:

Update ship operating manuals Act

"All ships less than 30 years old that have not been rebuilt in the last 10 years and are marked as outdated must be rebuilt without any changes except latest fire control if a better version is available and possibly maxing out AA positions if free tonnage is available. This generally does not take more than 4 months and the cost is usually very low.

This act does NOT involve any changes to turrets, machinery, ammo storage, speed, or armor.

Tertiary turrets are to be removed if new fire control puts the ship over its tonnage limits."

wedgekree posted:

Research and Rearm

"If possible more money should be put into spying and countries ahead of us in tech should be prioritized for stealing.

Next, any/all nations that we are not hostile with should be approached with research treaties, or if they approach us should be agreed to. This only goes for nations that we do not intend to be hostile within in the next few years."

Neophyte posted:

A (Single) Potato in Every Pot
1) When a windfall or other similar event occurs that allows it, choose to invest in our economy or railroads (once)
2) On the next possible choice, implement investment in social programs (once)
3) On the next possible choice, choose investing in the economy or railroads (once and for all)

So only three choices in total in the future"

May 1914 Special Admiralty Session

Epicurius posted:

Tsar's Holiday Act

"Whereas:

The health and well being of the Tsar are vital to the well being of the country

As God Himself has annointed our most Holy Tsar and commanded us to obey him, and that it is his responsibility and his alone to command the Empire, it's not too much to ask that he be given someplace to sip a mojito while relaxing on the beach every now and then.

The other nations of the world got the good places while we were busy colonizing Siberia, a desolate wasteland that's only good for dumping political prisoners in and where the skiing isn't even that good.

Therefore:

The government shall, in peace negotiations with other countries and at other times, make it its primary goal to acquire overseas colonies."

Servetus posted:

Anarchy for thee, but not for me.
"In past wars we have been approached by anarchists and other rabble-rousers looking to stir up trouble among our enemies. While I share the Admiralty's distaste for these scum, I think that with the level of tension in Europe and the present conflict with Germany we must change tactics:

While we are in a state of war we should give support to anarchists or any other rebel group looking to stir up trouble among our enemies. This Act will remain in effect until 1920."

December 1914 Admiralty Session

Mister Bates posted:

The Fleet Air Arm Act
"In order to expedite the process of equipping our fledgling air wings with the best and most modern technology, BuOrd shall have the authority to unilaterally request proposals for new aircraft models from domestic aircraft production firms, no more than once per year per aircraft role. BuOrd shall have the authority to prioritize which qualities shall be preferred when selecting from available prototypes, out of the following: Speed, Maneuverability, Range, Bomb Load, Firepower, Toughness, Reliability. They shall also be permitted to establish a naming scheme for aircraft models and name them as they see fit.

The exact composition of air squadrons stationed at land bases or aboard future aircraft-carrying warships shall be determined by the Fleet Admiral except where overridden by a piece of legislation."

Infidelicious posted:

Anti Kleptocracy and Creative Latitude Act
"Unfortunately we have seen a number of design requirements that clearly favor certain members of this distinguished boards families, design bureaus and investment interests;

Such as the recent demands for an 18" armed battleships built in a foreign yard, or this new perfidious 'Up-gun' act that is clearly designed to line the pockets of Big 128mm.

Tying all future destroyer designs to guns that are produced in a single factory is an obvious attempt to enrich a select few individuals, and I call for all members of this prestigious body to reject this bald faced corruption and cronyism.

To fight this corruptive influence, and to bring back the spirit of innovation this act moves to make the following change to the procurement process:

New Requirements for a Vessel must be descriptive rather than prescriptive.

When calling for new construction you must state what you want the vessel to accomplish, rather than what you, the lawmaker have decided is a laundry list of requirements for the role.

The only Requirement that can be directly stated is overall cost of production run.

EX: Illegal act: This act calls for the Construction of a flight of three 8000 Ton Protected cruisers with 5 inches of belt armor, and nine 155mm cannon.

EX: legal act: This act calls for the Construction of flight of at least two cruisers, designed to engage other ships of similar size and fast enough run down smaller vessels, ideally this vessel is immune to guns to it's own caliber to at least 10KY, and the overall production cost for this flight cannot exceed 80m."

December 1914 Admiralty Session

King Hong Kong posted:

Portsmouth Peace Conference Act
"In view of the navy's disastrous performance, we should seek to negotiate favorable terms with Germany to bring a conclusion to the war when possible."

December 1915 Admiralty Session

Xarn posted:

Risk the Yacht Promulgation

"the Tsar wants real battle."

Passed and Fulfilled
December 1900 Admiralty Session

sum posted:

Transparent Cronyism Act of 1901
December 1901 Admiralty Session

Boksi posted:

Commerce Protection and Anti-Protection Measures
December 1902 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

Joint Surface Fleet - Basic overhaul of national design objectives in general for a glorious lean expeditionary force to be named Force 35, Act, aka JSF Boondoggle F35 Act

habeasdorkus posted:

THE UNDERWATER BOTE PROCLAIMATION OF 1902
December 1903 Admiralty Session

AtomikKrab posted:

Loot and Scoot Act
December 1904 Admiralty Session

Leperflesh posted:

TSAR DEMANDS LUXURY YACHT STOP Imperative
December 1906 Admiralty Session

Bremen posted:

Sunk Cost Fallacy Act
December 1907 Admiralty Session

vyelkin posted:

For the Love of Godthe Budget Act

bewbies posted:

Guerre de Course Act
March 1909 Special Admiralty Session

bewbies posted:

Corvettes Are Not Just For Successful Plumbers Act
December 1909 Admiralty Session

Splode posted:

Build a battleship act Part 2
December 1910 Admiralty Session

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

scrap that piece of junk we got from the Japanese
December 1911 Admiralty Session

Veloxyll posted:

DESTROY-er The Joint Act

Danann posted:

New World Ironworks Act
December 1912 Admiralty Session

DesperateDan posted:

destroyers with shitloads of torpedoes act

Veloxyll posted:

British Boondoggle Act

habeasdorkus posted:

build an airship base
December 1913 Admiralty Session

vyelkin posted:

If it ain't broke act
May 1914 Special Admiralty Session

DesperateDan posted:

another 8 destroyers Act
- As Amended by the TIER rider.
December 1914 Admiralty Session

Comstar posted:

Build a seaplane carrier Act

Passed and Expired
December 1900 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

FIRE for effect Act

- Expired January 1, 1908

vyelkin posted:

Far Eastern Readiness Act
- Overriden by the Tsushima Time Act in April 1909

December 1902 Admiralty Session

simplefish posted:

JUST NOT CRICKET Act
- Overriden by the Research and Rearm Act in January 1910

December 1904 Admiralty Session

Boksi posted:

Making Do With What We Have Act

- Overridden by the Guerre de Course Act in January 1909

December 1906 Admiralty Session

Danann posted:

Submarine Stockpiling Act

- Overridden by the For the Love of Godthe Budget Act in January 1908

Failed to Pass
December 1900 Admiralty Session

Bacarruda posted:

Piracy Raider Act of 1901
December 1901 Admiralty Session

The Lone Badger posted:

Give War A Chance Act
December 1902 Admiralty Session

DesperateDan posted:

Shove The Germans act

wedgekree posted:

Base of Blades Act
December 1903 Admiralty Session

vyelkin posted:

Give Peace a Chance Act
December 1906 Admiralty Session

Bacarruda posted:

Finish the Cruisers Act

Bacarruda posted:

Experimental Submarine Squadron Act
December 1907 Admiralty Session

Danann posted:

Submarine Stockpiling Act v1.1

Danann posted:

Shore Infrastructure Act

Splode posted:

build a battleship Act
March 1909 Special Admiralty Session

sum posted:

Eyes off the Prize Act
December 1910 Admiralty Session

Danann posted:

Foreign Destroyer Examination Act
December 1912 Admiralty Session

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Split the Difference Act
December 1913 Admiralty Session

Mister Bates posted:

The Put Our Destroyers To Good Use Act

Veloxyll posted:

The Tzardoom Act

Splode posted:

Quit while you're ahead Act
May 1914 Special Admiralty Session

bewbies posted:

Air is the Future Act
December 1915 Admiralty Session

Dance Officer posted:

Remove the Yacht from active service for the duration of the war Promulgation

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Aug 18, 2019

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Compendium of Naval Designs of the Russian Empire, 1901-1915

Submitted for the Transparent Cronyism Act Design Contest of 1901
WINNING DESIGN

Infidelicious posted:

Blyat-class Battleship

Other Submissions

Boksi posted:

Proyekt 41501-class Battleship

Bremen posted:

Vodka-class Battleship

Pirate Radar posted:

Vladivostok-class Battleship

Paingod556 posted:

Catharine the Great-class Battleship

habeasdorkus posted:

Ekaterina Velikaya-class Battleship

dogsarentdangerous posted:

Proposal A-class Battleship

sum posted:

Model 1901-class Battleship

Gnoman posted:

Michael Alexandrovich-class Battleship

Submitted for the Commerce Protection and Anti-Protection Measures Design Contests of 1902
WINNING DESIGN

Infidelicious posted:

Vorobey-class Light Cruiser
WINNING DESIGN

Paingod556 posted:

Podzhi-class Corvette
Other Submissions

habeasdorkus posted:

Revizor-class Light Cruiser

Pirate Radar posted:

Akula-class Light Cruiser

Boksi posted:

Proyekt 21202-class Corvette

sum posted:

Björnfälla-class Corvette

professor_curly posted:

Nadezhny-class Corvette.

Submitted for the 600 Act Design Contest of 1903
WINNING DESIGN

habeasdorkus posted:

Podliv-class Destroyer

Other Submissions

professor_curly posted:

Molniya-class Destroyer

Bremen posted:

Komar-class Destroyer

Boksi posted:

Proyekt 10603class Destroyer

Infidelicious posted:

Igla-class Destroyer

Submitted for the JSF Boondoggle F35 Act Design Contest of 1903
WINNING DESIGN

professor_curly posted:

Grom-class Armored Cruiser
Other Submissions

Boksi posted:

Proyekt 31303-class Armored Cruiser

Pirate Radar posted:

Pallada-class Light Cruiser

habeasdorkus posted:

Khokkey-class Armored Cruiser


Revizor-class Light Cruiser, mk. 2

Infidelicious posted:

Ctankep-class Armored Cruiser

Submitted for the Tsar's Luxury Yacht Design Contest of 1905
WINNING DESIGN

habeasdorkus posted:

Imperator Nicolai Veliki-class Royal Yacht
Other Submissions

professor_curly posted:

Pravitel Morya-i-Neba-class Royal Yacht

Pirate Radar posted:

Nositel Nositel Strasti-class Royal Yacht

Paingod556 posted:

Diana Royale-class Royal Yacht

Paingod556 posted:

Romanov's Pride-class Royal Yacht

Bacarruda posted:

Derzhava II-class Royal Yacht

Bacarruda posted:

Livadia III-class Royal Yacht

Bacarruda posted:

Sankt-Peterburg-class Royal Yacht

(cont)

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Aug 17, 2019

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Submitted for the Guerre de Course Act Design Contest of 1908
WINNING DESIGN

Infidelicious posted:

Falconyet-class Light Cruiser
Other Submissions

Infidelicious posted:

Falconet-class Light Cruiser

sum posted:

Vit Elefant-class Light Cruiser

unwantedplatypus posted:

bit' veshch'-class Light Cruiser

Submitted for the Corvettes Are Not Just For Successful Plumbers Act Design Contest of 1909
WINNING DESIGN

Veloxyll posted:

Dakkalor-class Corvette
Other Submissions

Chunky Monkey posted:

Svobodu-class Corvette

Submitted for the Build a Battleship Design Contest of 1910
WINNING DESIGN

sum posted:

Åsidosätta-class Dreadnought

Other Submissions

Veloxyll posted:

Duhk Zakona-class Battlecruiser

habeasdorkus posted:

Kot Begemot-class Battlecruiser.

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Riga-class Battlecruiser

professor_curly posted:

Tsesarevich-class Dreadnought

Submitted for the New World Ironworks Design Contest of 1912
WINNING DESIGN

Chunky Monkey posted:

Verni-class Destroyer
Other Entries

Gnoman posted:

Bodri-class Destroyer

Infidelicious posted:

Repon Verni-class Destroyer

HisMajestyBOB posted:

Amerikanskiy Esminets-class Destroyer

Submitted for the British Boondoggle Act Design Contest of 1913
WINNING DESIGN

sum posted:

Ryska Sjön-class Dreadnought

Other Entries

Paingod556 posted:

Teatime-class Dreadnought

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Potemkin-class Dreadnought

Infidelicious posted:

Grand Friendship-class Dreadnought

Veloxyll posted:

ZANIMAT'SYA BESSMYSLENNYM DELON-class Dreadnought

Gnoman posted:

Ivan IV Vasilyevich-class Dreadnought

habeasdorkus posted:

Liviafan-class Dreadnought


Submitted for the destroyers with shitloads of torpedoes act Design Contest of 1913
WINNING DESIGN

habeasdorkus posted:

Bolshoy Igriz-class Destroyer

Other Entries

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Zhiovi-class Destroyer

Submitted for the another 8 destroyers Design Contest of 1914
WINNING DESIGN

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Kashin-class Destroyer
Other Submissions

Breadmaster posted:

Gremyashhi-class Destroyer

Veloxyll posted:

Tuskyly-class Destroyer

habeasdorkus posted:

Maly Igriz-class Destroyer


Submitted for the Build a seaplane carrier Act Design Contest of 1915
WINNING DESIGN

Veloxyll posted:

loDHom puv-class Seaplane Tender
Other Submissions

Boksi posted:

Proyekt 50514-class Seaplane Tender

Lando131
Jul 27, 2006

This is one way to find scum...
Nay
Nay
Nay
Aye

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

We should exile habeasdorkus for being a German spy. The Portsmouth Peace Conference Act that they opposed did pass. The voting in that session was weird but Grey counted it as having passed.

King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 18, 2019

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Really? Huh. I'll go back and fix the compendium the next time I'm at my desktop.

Btw, we REALLY need to pass a couple laws in the next session that we can stop being nice to Germany AND to make sure we're not antagonizing our ally UK.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye


Let the AYe's have it!

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

NAY - I outlined the flaws in this act earlier.

YAY - Its mine and it's likely our only chance to get a design round or begin construction of new vessels until the war ends; and I'm curious as to what people will design and approve since it's 160m that can be anything from 8m raiding CLs to 80m heavy raider CAs or BCs. It's also a way forward at least one fully realized arm of our fleet, which this navy desperately needs.

YAY - though I'm not sure this can be legislated since it is the purview of the BuOrd

NAY - is not meaningfully different from existing passed bills.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

TheDemon posted:

Also if you don't have any BCs then your Bs can show up in cruiser actions and they're actually quite good at it. The Tsar's yacht is screwing us over here.

Grey COULD put the Tzar's yacht in for replacement of the guns. Which is like an 8 month refit job that would take it off the line. Whether he wants 18" -2s from the UK or the best local cannons, well, that's entirely up to him.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Veloxyll posted:

Grey COULD put the Tzar's yacht in for replacement of the guns. Which is like an 8 month refit job that would take it off the line. Whether he wants 18" -2s from the UK or the best local cannons, well, that's entirely up to him.

They're only -1, actually. Which makes em quite good for 1916.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Infidelicious posted:

YAY - though I'm not sure this can be legislated since it is the purview of the BuOrd


I don't have control over the percentage of the budget dedicated to research; I only get to prioritize how that budget is spent.

And, now, demand airplane designs, although I'm still not really clear on how my demands get met.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Nay
Nay
Aye
Aye

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Leperflesh posted:

I don't have control over the percentage of the budget dedicated to research; I only get to prioritize how that budget is spent.

And, now, demand airplane designs, although I'm still not really clear on how my demands get met.

I'll go through it in the next update.

I'll try and do a vote count today, but the idiots demolishing the old cooling towers in my town cut power.

It's messed up my morning plans....

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!



Thanks so much, this is a huge help

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

simplefish posted:

Thanks so much, this is a huge help

Grey, if you'd like to sticky a link to the post with all the legislation in the OP, I'll keep the active laws updated.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
Heavy Cruisers Oh God Where Are the Heavy Cruisers? Act. Fails
Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus Passes
Temporary Re-Armament Focus Act Passes
Peace Negotiations Act Passes


so, we need more ship designs.

quote:

Infidelicious posted:

Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus

This act calls for the construction of two new classes of cruisers

The First:

New cruisers designed for fleet scouting and screening duties; ideally armed with new above water torpedo technology. To be built immediately to free up the Vorobey and Falconyet classes for their intended purpose of commerce raiding.

Flight will consist of a minimum of 2 hulls and an cost per unit will not exceed 40m (85m total outlay to allow wiggle room) this does not include development costs.

Additionally it calls for the design and procurement of 160m worth of commerce raiding cruisers and ~20m worth of submarines to be built over the course of the next 4 years 160m figure does not include development costs.

Next Generation Cruiser Design will ideally be cost effective, or capable of evading or destroying enemy counter raiders; Reliable Engines are highly advised to reduce attrition from mechanical failure; and Medium Range is the minimum since short range ships cannot act as raiders.

After the construction of each flight and before the production of the next flight of cruisers, Chief of Navy will check to see if weight savings can be used to increase effectiveness of design, speed being priority.

Cost Analysis of FCCRO:

20-21m of Submarines
80-85m of Fleet Screen / Scout Cruisers
160-165m of Commerce Raiders

Projected total cost for this act is 260-271m over the next 4 years.

Recommendations for logistics / bookkeeping:

Fleet Scouts to be built as soon as design is approved. ~4k per month / 20 months

Raiding Cruisers to be built in flights not to exceed 4k per month, for as long as it takes to get the production run completed.

5 submarines at a time until the 20m outlay is met ~500-1k per month for 2-4 years

Monthly cost is hard to judge but should not exceed 9k for the first 20 months; dropping to 4.5 or less after the scouts are constructed.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

We need a new save, and are we still on 1.00?

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
CRAP!

New save when I get home from work!

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



Gentlemen. Behold.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Durendal posted:

Gentlemen. Behold.



I need a bigger :eyepop:

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Pirate Radar posted:

I need a bigger :eyepop:
You need an :eyepop: that actually ejects its eye into the water below.

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016

Durendal posted:

Gentlemen. Behold.



The best part is that they're all submerged torpedo tubes, too. I guess the idea was to just fire off a broadside so the inability to aim isn't as much of a problem?

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
“What if Macross missile spam, but underwater?”

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender
Google-translated page discussing this in some Russian book:

https://translate.google.com/transl...tml&prev=search

quote:

In a number of large fleets (German, American) in the early 10s. The idea of ​​creating a large, high-speed, well-protected surface ship carrying a large number of "mine" (torpedo) vehicles and therefore called the "mine battleship" was actively worked out. The main idea of ​​such a ship was to deliver a massive torpedo strike against a column of enemy battleships in a daytime squadron battle of the main forces.

This idea was brought to life by the fact of rapid improvement at the beginning of the 20th century of "self-propelled mines" that received new, much stronger engines, stability mechanisms on course, and also carried a significantly more powerful combat charge. A significant increase in the speed, range and effectiveness of torpedoes was accompanied by a sharp increase in their size and weight, which limited their use on destroyers. Therefore, it was assumed that a large armored ship due to the abandonment of all heavy artillery could be equipped with a significant number of onboard underwater torpedo tubes and protected with especially thick armor (board up to 400 mm KC). High speed exceeding the squadron course of the enemy’s column,was supposed to allow the “mine battleship” to approach it at a distance of 10-15 kb and secretly produce an aimed salvo over areas with a particularly high density of the “fan”. Such a simultaneous salvo of 40-50 torpedoes (or even twice as powerful when using a pair of such ships) almost inevitably should have led to a series of hits in the battleships of the enemy, which, at a minimum, could be accompanied by severe damage to many of them and, as a result, loss initiative in battle. As a defensive measure against enemy light cruisers and destroyers, the “mine battleship” was supposed to equip 10–12 7 “-8” guns in turret towers with large firing angles. On the crest of the then rapid development of torpedo weapons - an increase in speed, power,range and improvement of torpedo fire methods - a ship of a similar concept innovatively fit into the scheme of a day battle of battleships, and could become a good help for tactical maneuvering of a linear squadron in battle. Even the launch of a transient torpedo attack of two such ships in itself meant the need for an immediate change of course for the enemy convoy, which was inevitably accompanied by a number of most important advantages for the attacking party - a temporary loss of the enemy’s initiative, VIR, the need for new shooting series, etc. Well armored "Mine battleship" could not be afraid of artillery fire from enemy light cruisers covering the battleships, as well as the auxiliary caliber of the latter. As for the heavy guns of battleships,they did not pose an imminent threat both because of their participation in the artillery battle of the main forces, and because of the relative slowness of the shooting, the difficulty of quickly reorienting and targeting the suddenly appeared high-speed target.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Durendal posted:

Gentlemen. Behold.



The Salon would like to order 12 of them, sight unseen.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
you can build a late game kitakami that is pretty devastating in a fleet battle but it will also get pulled in to cruiser actions all the time which is a dumb waste

dogsarentdangerous
Aug 11, 2008

Durendal posted:

Gentlemen. Behold.



Wasn't an IRL German Battlecruiser nearly sunk by having a single submerged torp tube hit by gunfire?

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious
Putting the holes in ahead of time will confound the enemy and assure victory.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer

dogsarentdangerous posted:

Wasn't an IRL German Battlecruiser nearly sunk by having a single submerged torp tube hit by gunfire?

I think the opposite. Seydlitz was only kept from sinking because the only compartment in her bow that remained unflooded was the forward torpedo room, and remained the only buoyancy left in the forecastle.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

This also reminds me that the fire for effect act has expired but the ammo counts and usage has probably remained unchanged. Should probably get looked over and changed before the 18" BB leaves the slip.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmi0pa65zkcvgha/AAADcAoppsNhSI-9n4IUId6Ya?dl=0

Sorry for being slow, I'm running a 39C temp atm!

Don't worry, It should not impact my output to much....

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Grey Hunter posted:

Sorry for being slow, I'm running a 39C temp atm!

Don't worry, It should not impact my output to much....
Please put your health over content output.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
Shiver, shiver. LP.... Bake....

It's not too bad, but it's weird to have a fever without any other symptoms...

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Fever without any other symptoms? Yeah, I've had that, it sucks. Anyway, here's a fleet scout cruiser!



The Proyekt 33915 design focuses on achieving its goal in the cheapest possible way. By keeping the design small, short-ranged and relatively slow(though not slower than the rest of the fleet), we've managed to cut costs down to the point where the projected budget of 85M should suffice for a flight of six vessels! At the same time, it's quite capable of performing its role. It can outgun destroyers with a broadside of six 6" guns and a modest armor belt to protect it from return fire, while any larger vessels are threatened by its six torpedo broadside. Finally, it also has the equipment for carrying and using a floatplane, which significantly enhances its scouting capability.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

(Prince Valeryan Igorovich Urodlivyy, founding member of the Русские созданы для борьбы и победы Salon, at a historical costume ball in St. Petersburg, circa 1899)

My dearest cousin and eternally victorious Emperor,

It was with great interest that I watched the progress of the Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus through the State Council. The salon that I host had a number of ideas, and I've picked two to forward to both the admiral and your Majesty that meet requirements. I hope that they find your favor, and look forward to seeing you in St. Petersburg when next your namesake returns to port after crushing the Germans further.

Fyodorovich-class Fleet Cruiser

Ship Design

The Fyodorovich is designed to fulfill a desperate need in our current fleet, that of a screen for the main battle line. Thanks to recent advances in oil fired engines, and the expansion of wells in the caucuses, we now have both technology and supply to equip ourselves with the most modern designs. The Fyodorovich makes 25 knots, allowing it to screen ahead of our battle line, or to move to intercept torpedo boats before they can threaten. Their armament should be enough to match any fellow light cruiser and any number of destroyers. The catch is that, like all light cruisers, it cannot stand up to a firefight with more moderns armored cruisers and especially not to capital ships. Still, it provides greater capabilities than anything short of our Grom-class heavy cruisers, and at 40% the cost of one of those behemoths.

Gonchaya-Class Commerce Raider

Ship Design

Like her big brother, the Gonchaya also makes use of the superlative new oil burning turbines, and similarly makes an impressive 25 knots. She has the range to be successful in any theater. Her armament can shred merchant marine and escorts alike, while her speed will keep her safe from anything that can threaten her. And at just under 18.6m rubles per hull we can afford nine of them, each of which will be deadlier to enemy shipping than our current Falconyet cruisers at a full 8.9m rubles less per ship!

All hail Russia! All hail the undefeated Tsar Nikolai II!

Forever loyally yours,
Koyla

PS: For your ease, cuz, I have included the following table that the bean-counters can use in determining their costs:

Fleet Cruisers: x3 at ₽24.5m per hull, total cost ₽75.5m including design study. 24 months to build all three in one flight at a cost of ₽3m/month.
Commerce Raiders: x9 at ₽18.6m per hull, total cost ₽169m including design study. 48 months to build all nine in two flights at a cost of ₽3.1m/month (flight one) and ₽3.9m/month (flight two)
Submarine Force: x10 at ₽3.6m per bote, total cost ₽20m total, in flights of five at roughly ₽1000/month per flight. Done in 36 months.
Total Cost: ₽264.5m outlay, ₽7.1m/month for the first 24 months, then ₽4.9m for another 24 months.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 20, 2019

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

That is really impressive cost cutting, and while quantity has a quality all it's own; I feel 1 knot of closing over our 23 knot CA's and B's is insufficient to reposition within a formation, and it will be incapable of escaping if it is forced into a cruiser battle without the rest of the fleet.



at LOLZ shipwrights we have pored over the lessons learned over the past years battles, and combined cutting edge technologies to give the Russian Navy a definitive advantage in future conflicts.

Our Candidate for the Fleet Scout Cruiser is The Skopa (Osprey)

The Skopa is a swift and deadly predator like it's namesake.







https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4j9dunqhlqe63n/Skopa.30d?dl=0 Ship file
Ignore name in ship builder, it's fixed.
(Thanks for fixing transliteration, I used wrong thing that only did Cyrillic and couldn't be hosed to type Cyrillic out or C/P it a bunch)



SPEED: At a blistering 27 knots; The Skopa is fast enough to maintain station, investigate spotting reports, or change position within a formation; even if the battlegroup is steaming at a full 23 knots. Her Oil fired powerplant does not require the vessel to slow down to clean grates, or for crew members to manually stoke the boilers.

FIREPOWER: She is equipped with four 203mm Naval Rifles in two twin turrets, as well as a unique secondary arrangement that allows her to bring 6 155mm guns to bear on either side, with 11 guns total. She also brings two massive 12 torpedo broadsides to bear in a close range fight; enough torpedoes to ensure the swift destruction of any vessels spotted at short range, in the fog or darkness.

SURVIVABILITY: She maintains full splinter protection to the entirety of her belt, and main turrets; as well as partial splinter protection on the deck. She also has a revolutionary torpedo defense system, capable of mitigating the impact and reducing the likelihood of a total loss while engaging other torpedo armed vessels.

AERIAL CAPABILITY: She carries two seaplanes for long range scouting purposes.

All this new technology comes at a cost, however... and that cost is money.

She costs just under 40m, and would be built with her sister ship for just under 80m.

However, the idea of Twin Eagles, ruling the seas is aspirational and quite fitting for the future of the Russian Navy.

2 vessels, that cost 1578 per month each / 3156 per month total for 24 months. Outlay is 75,744,000

Falconet II REDACTED

While we initially planned on updating the last winner of the raider design contest, the Falconet, we have since decided that another offering was too similar and have instead proposed this radical departure from doctrine.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/dtwpeibveg8oleq/Gorshok%20Meda.30d?dl=0

The Gorshok Meda (Honeypot) is designed to destroy counter raiding forces, and force the enemy to commit their Capital Ships to protecting trade routes instead of engaging our main fleet; this will enable us to defeat our enemies in detail.


Heavy Armarment, Reliability and Range with enough speed to outrun Battleships and keep the distance open for an extended period against fast battlecruisers.




Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 20, 2019

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
btw, this is the dreadnought we can currently build in our home yard:


PHWOAR.

And we're only 5 months from another 2,000 ton increase in shipyard size.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I'm sorry but I will vote against the "Ckona" on principle because of that abomination of a transliteration :barf:

Скопа in Cyrillic sure, but for transliteration that's Skopa, which is a fine name for a ship imo for the love of god and the tsar please change the name

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