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Great ep!  Scooter_McCabe posted:So the judge a younger Adrian Veidt clone? That pig jury wackiness is a Veidt move. Antifa Turkeesian posted:Also I’ll be pissed if a bunch of dumb racists manage to kill Dr. Manhattan. Although Bubastis never reassembled herself as a blue god, so I don’t know what king peckerwood thinks will happen. No one knows about Antarctica so they probably think running him through an IFG is going to unmake him...that'd be pretty  but the inclusion of the teleporter makes me think something else is afoot!Guy A. Person posted:So women with secret superhero sires is Jon’s very specific kink, huh 
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Guy A. Person posted:So women with secret superhero sires is Jon’s very specific kink, huh
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:This was the one line that I had almost completely forgotten about but had always been nagging me. Yeah maybe pick one or the other, but both?
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I thought Cal explaining death to his kids like that was because it's a liberal alternate universe where Christianity's hold on the American psyche had finally loosened, but nope, it's cuz it was actually sperg supreme Dr. Manhattan
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It was actually paced well enough that you have time to put it together before she reaches the house. May not end up being a good reveal, but like everything else it’s executed well.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It was actually paced well enough that you have time to put it together before she reaches the house. May not end up being a good reveal, but like everything else it’s executed well. In all honesty you should piece it together by the time she hits the button to open the elevator, if not well before.The foreshadowing is there, it's just, as said earlier, she's with Dr. Manhattan and she's Hooded Justice's long-lost granddaughter?
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So according to Peteypedia, Cal shows up in 2009. Ozy disappears in 2012, so maybe Manhattan didn't put him there after all. Maybe it was Lube Man.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It was actually paced well enough that you have time to put it together before she reaches the house. May not end up being a good reveal, but like everything else it’s executed well. It's just that the idea behind the twist itself still makes me go "Really? That's what we're doing after all?".
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Timeless Appeal posted:Also my prediction for the end: Joe gets transformed but just becomes a gross abomination. The big reveal is that it's not just the accident. Jon was an uniquely impressive individual for being able to put himself back together... something the book supports. The White Supremacist tries to live out his fantasies of being objectively superior only to have it objectively proven to him that the Jewish-Now-Black Dr. Manhattan is better than him. Like, maybe the 7th Kavalry, in their attempts to usurp the power of Dr. Manhattan, could actually end up embodying an honest version of the Squid Attack. In reconstructing themselves with his powers, they may become an apocalyptic evil that actually unites the world against white supremacy for a good reason. Although the way this is going I almost wouldn't be surprised if the Manhattan-ification of a shithead white supremacist just turns out to be a big farting blob of inbred idiocy that does nothing and then just kinda dies or something. EDIT: Although, to clarify, it's important not to forget that Dr. Manhattan was perfectly complicit in all kinds of white supremacy on his own. He wasn't consciously a racist, but his participation in the Vietnam War and especially his behavior when the Comedian murders the woman carrying his child (possibly Trieu's origin? as people have referenced already) make it pretty clear that casual pro-America racism is already pretty baked into his character. It's interesting for the Dr. to have taken these efforts to change his perspective but I hope we get a solid explanation on what exactly caused him to change his mind. Martman fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It was actually paced well enough that you have time to put it together before she reaches the house. May not end up being a good reveal, but like everything else it’s executed well. I had no idea what she was talking about or what was up with that hammer until she said Jon lol I guess that's why Cal and Angela didn't have kids of their own. My partner is going to flip when she sees this ep. She's so far away from the original story she's just going to be confused but know SOMETHING BIG happened. maybe it'll be a good opportunity to rewatch the movie
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Destroy Doc Manhattan and take his place? Surely you must be Joe Keene.
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Sesq posted:So according to Peteypedia, Cal shows up in 2009. Ozy disappears in 2012, so maybe Manhattan didn't put him there after all. They say Veidt's last public appearance was in 2007. Cal had employment records from Pyramid Global. I think Manhattan did send Veidt to Europa, but because he was asked to. Maybe in exchange, Veidt agreed to help Manhattan become Cal. But then Veidt becomes bored with the place, puts a plan together to go home, and that involves setting up an SOS at the right time to where his daughter's satellite will see it. Then he just waits for a rescue.
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I thought for a second it was going to be her son since he has the floating castle earlier.
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Wasn't it established in the comic that the government tossed a bunch of volunteers into the IFG and none of them panned out due to rebuilding yourself being an extraordinary feat in itself? It sounds like senator racist's plan involves something different, since he said the plan was to kill Dr. Manhattan and take control of his powers.
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Mantis42 posted:Destroy Doc Manhattan and take his place? Surely you must be Joe Keene. you son of a bitch
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Okay, I was going by when he was declared missing.
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Ethiser posted:I thought for a second it was going to be her son since he has the floating castle earlier. Nice
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Why did Trieu act like Angela wouldn’t already know who Dr. Manhattan is? Does she not know that Angela knows? Does she think it’s somebody else?
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Someone said Veidt would be dipped in gold because of the stupid villagers. What if him not offering a defense was all part of the plan. Preserved in gold he can be transported back to Earth, DNA retrieved whatever left of his brain is used to make nostalgia.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Why did Trieu act like Angela wouldn’t already know who Dr. Manhattan is? Does she not know that Angela knows? Does she think it’s somebody else? What? Everything Trieu was saying was intentionally implying to Angela that they both knew this secret, without actually saying it out loud.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Why did Trieu act like Angela wouldn’t already know who Dr. Manhattan is? Does she not know that Angela knows? Does she think it’s somebody else? Probably while jacked up on that elephant IV drip they scanned her memories. The elephant brain being sufficient enough as a storage space and whatever. After all Will Reeves said she would hate him, so he placed the drugs there for her to intentionally take. They milk her brain for memories of Dr. Manhattan because they know at some point she met him in Vietnam but the trail ran cold. Then the surprise is that Dr. Manhattan did something to inhabit a host body he made, whack out his power to see into the future so he could function like a normal rear end in a top hat and as a result could never see any of this coming. I will consider it poor writing on the show's part if they do kill or depower Dr. Manhattan.
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Coxswain Balls posted:Wasn't it established in the comic that the government tossed a bunch of volunteers into the IFG and none of them panned out due to rebuilding yourself being an extraordinary feat in itself? It sounds like senator racist's plan involves something different, since he said the plan was to kill Dr. Manhattan and take control of his powers. Yeah, it has to be more than just shoving someone into an IFG. If it were that easy, the soviets would have made one, because even if the americans had the moral fiber not to try shoveling men into a death trap in the search for superman, the soviets were pretty much required to attempt it the exact same way they needed to create an atomic bomb. My best guess right now would be that they have access to the same sort of mind control tech as grandpappy Will, and intend to use it on Manhattan in order to make him compliant long enough to get him into the 'steal your powers chamber'. That, or the newly awakened Jon is going to be too weak to defend himself. Given this is Dr. Manhattan, I can't see him getting taken out conventionally. It is worth remembering that they were testing a teleportation gate when LG was in the facility earlier, Since the gate appears to be the doorway on the cage (or whatever) they are building, it definitely doesn't look like they are using an intrinsic field generator. The bigger question seems to be simply, what the gently caress is up with Lady Trieu. She clearly knows or at least seriously suspects that Cal is Manhattan. Given that she is the world's only trillionaire, it seems like it would be child's play to either protect Cal or wipe out the 7k, but she hasn't taken steps to do either from the look of things. Time travel still seems (sadly) to be the most likely. Stop Manhattan from ever becoming manhattan, or something similarly out there.
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TBH I thought the ep was going to end without answering that question and Angela doing something else and I woulda been pissed. Once again, show just doesn't gently caress around from answering questions and being focused Lol just remembering when Angela calmly told Cal she wasn't acting rationally right now. No wonder Cal was ??? about it
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I'm guessing Veidt helped make Jon into Cal in exchange for his own utopia on Europa, sick of the fact that his egalitarian utopia experiment didn't pan out after 1985 and all that transpired. I mean they call him master for gently caress's sake. He gifts his company to Trieu for helping, he won't need it after that. He gets sick of it and knows about the satellite and gets out of it. Either encased in gold or literally just gold (Manhattan's thermodynamic miracle). Then in the next episode or two after they get done explaining how it was he came to be, he'll turn Veidt back into a man.
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Caros posted:The bigger question seems to be simply, what the gently caress is up with Lady Trieu. She clearly knows or at least seriously suspects that Cal is Manhattan. Given that she is the world's only trillionaire, it seems like it would be child's play to either protect Cal or wipe out the 7k, but she hasn't taken steps to do either from the look of things. Time travel still seems (sadly) to be the most likely. Stop Manhattan from ever becoming manhattan, or something similarly out there. The clock is how she's going to stop whatever is planned. If she is Veidt's daughter, and Veidt helped Manhattan become Cal, odds are Manhattan told them that this would happen and they can't stop him from being captured. But they can stop Keene's plan.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Probably while jacked up on that elephant IV drip they scanned her memories. The elephant brain being sufficient enough as a storage space and whatever. After all Will Reeves said she would hate him, so he placed the drugs there for her to intentionally take. They milk her brain for memories of Dr. Manhattan because they know at some point she met him in Vietnam but the trail ran cold. Then the surprise is that Dr. Manhattan did something to inhabit a host body he made, whack out his power to see into the future so he could function like a normal rear end in a top hat and as a result could never see any of this coming. It looked like the Triue containers 7k had were intrinsic field generator components. Why would they have them? They steal them or is she triple crossing and supplying them with equipment?
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Codependent Poster posted:If she is Veidt's daughter I'm guessing she's just something of a kindred spirit to Veidt. She did adopt the moniker of an ancient figure, obscenely intelligent, captain of industry, and most importantly: ambition of saving the world
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Hilario Baldness posted:I'm guessing Veidt helped make Jon into Cal in exchange for his own utopia on Europa, sick of the fact that his egalitarian utopia experiment didn't pan out after 1985 and all that transpired. I mean they call him master for gently caress's sake.
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I could see it, it's entirely possible that Dr. Manhattan left those on Europa with the decree "thou shalt not leave" and after he sent Veidt, lacking any context to the commandment, well, they just decided he had to not leave either. At first it wasn't a problem because he could go horseback riding and have his weird purple cake but it gets old I suppose. I still don't quite understand the macabre play and how that factors in.
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Hilario Baldness posted:I'm guessing she's just something of a kindred spirit to Veidt. She did adopt the moniker of an ancient figure, obscenely intelligent, captain of industry, and most importantly: ambition of saving the world She put a lot of emphasis on saying “seed” last episode when talking about where her company came from, and in this episode she said her father would be joining her soon—possibly by leaping out of a gold statue like Diabolik or crashing to Earth.
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Hilario Baldness posted:I'm guessing she's just something of a kindred spirit to Veidt. She did adopt the moniker of an ancient figure, obscenely intelligent, captain of industry, and most importantly: ambition of saving the world The fact she was cagey about who her dad was, combined with the statue that is most certainly Veidt, leads me to believe that she's in fact his daughter and there's a little clone Veidt running around somewhere or she's going to change the statue back into him
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Codependent Poster posted:The clock is how she's going to stop whatever is planned. I guess. It just seems implausible to suggest that a trillionaire couldn't stop some banjo playing rednecks from kidnapping someone if she wanted to. I'm also sort of appauled I didn't guess the twist at the very start of the episode, given that I knew the next episode title was A god walks into Abar
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:She put a lot of emphasis on saying “seed” last episode when talking about where her company came from, and in this episode she said her father would be joining her soon—possibly by leaping out of a gold statue like Diabolik or crashing to Earth. But why would Veidt have impregnated a Vietnamese woman who was subjected to war crimes? There's no indication at all he was part of the Vietnam War. That said...Save me daughter? edit: interestingly enough, this episode was the only one Lindelof didn't help write. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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Caros posted:the next episode title was A god walks into Abar Holy poo poo
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I feel like an idiot for not getting that Cyclops = Eye in the forehead = Hydrogen atom. Not sure if the 7th Kavalry just co-opted the old Cyclops brand for their new plan, or if time travel fuckery is afoot that could place Dr. M back in the 40s as well. Rewatching the series after this all plays out is going to be a treat to see how much of the Cal stuff and whatever the endgame is are sprinkled throughout.
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Nail Rat posted:But why would Veidt have impregnated a Vietnamese woman who was subjected to war crimes? There's no indication at all he was part of the Vietnam War. He had Vietnamese manservants in the comic, maybe he adopted one of their daughters after killing them in the snow. Trieu doesn't look mixed.
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Mantis42 posted:Trieu doesn't look mixed. I wouldn't put much stock in that. Trieu's mother/daugher would certainly be pure Vietnamese, but the actress is half Jewish. But yeah who knows, I guess we'll find out soon - just feels a bit thin if that's where they're going. I'd have bought her being the daughter of the Comedian a lot easier.
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Klungar posted:I feel like an idiot for not getting that Cyclops = Eye in the forehead = Hydrogen atom. Not sure if the 7th Kavalry just co-opted the old Cyclops brand for their new plan, or if time travel fuckery is afoot that could place Dr. M back in the 40s as well. Rewatching the series after this all plays out is going to be a treat to see how much of the Cal stuff and whatever the endgame is are sprinkled throughout. But Dr.Manhatten wasnt until 1959
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