slothrop posted:

We should probably argue discuss a new thread for 10 more pages so that the cold war thread can end on page 1991.

slothrop posted:

We should probably argue discuss a new thread for 10 more pages so that the cold war thread can end on page 1991.

Syrian Lannister posted:

IPCRESS posted:

I have no idea why, but for dumb reasons, this image reminded me of:

IPCRESS posted:

I have no idea why, but for dumb reasons, this image reminded me of:

Cyrano4747 posted:

Well, someone should make a cool OP that talks about swedish interceptors from the 70s or something.

Vahakyla posted:

The new OP should probably include Cold War-as-gently caress stories of various equipment or tactics, from various countries, to get the mood right. Nebucadnezzars effort posts, for example.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Sad news, friends: The Nuclear Security Administration Lost a Film Titled 'Skull Melting Demonstration'

JcDent posted:

A maybe more on topic question: so USSR has T-64, T-72 and T-80 being produced at the same time. What should be cut out/left out to optimize the tank production?

Nebakenezzer posted:

A few months ago, Xerxes17 in the mil history thread did some excellent effort posts on Soviet tank development. While the products were sometimes revolutionary (T-64) or quite useful (T-72) the story does talk about a poo poo-ton of needless competition, political shenanigans, and a process that has the Soviet Union fielding three MBTs with nothing common between them.

The T-64

Object 172 Aka, T-72 “Straight outta Nihzny Tagil Ft. Leonid Kartsev”

The T-80: Explosion at the Soviet Haywire Factory

Stairmaster posted:

Don't bother with the T-80 at all in the first place. Stop the T-64 production once the T-72 variants are on par(So around the T-72B).

That Works posted:

I'll try not to write a whole essay on it but it's a fun teaching tool.

Your 1st assumption is right, without energy, cells die. Muscle fibers need ATP to contract to let things move. To make ATP you need mitochondria to undergo respiration. To undergo respiration you need oxygen and glucose (for human cells). To get oxygen and glucose to muscle cells you need a circulatory system. But, that's not quite correct. Muscle cells can undergo fermentation (producing lactic acid) instead. However, this only lasts for the most part until blood glucose supply is exhausted. Actually, you can start breaking down proteins and other components into short carbon chains to ferment as well.

So a couple of assumptions, zombies don't need a circulatory system, they don't 'bleed out' so, they must be undergoing fermentation. Queue an entire segue into how your body processes fermentation end products and cleans up stuff from that out of your cells via the liver and kidneys. Again, this kinda doesn't work well on a system level without circulation and breathing. So, without those its up to the individual cells to function and last as long as they can, cannibalizing themselves. Some back of the napkin math works out to even a slow moving shambling zombie only lasting an hour or less at absolute maximum conditions before so many individual cells cannibalize their own contents down into inactivity. This would require an aggressive reprogramming of normal cellular metabolism that we currently don't do.

There's a lot of sidebars there I use to get into other metabolic stuff, ie how the body uses CO2 normally to buffer the blood and ensure a fairly constant pH, and how your breathing rate affects that to keep that pH balance in a very narrow range.

The end result is that if you forced cells to individually do something they are evolutionarily not built for they could run for~1h in overly ideal situations but would leave behind a completely destroyed husk of half pickled dead human flesh.

Nebakenezzer posted:

To get away from depression and Trump:

https://twitter.com/wyatt_privilege/status/919173846015594496/photo/1

Why in the name of God does the Air Force have official anime swords?

Nebakenezzer posted:

Hey, *I* was going to post a very long article, in this case, Russia's fascist inspiration:

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/16/ivan-ilyin-putins-philosopher-of-russian-fascism/

I don't have a bead on who Putin is aside from an increasingly sloppy megalomaniac, so seeing him recycle an Orthodox Russian philosopher that was super into Hegel, taught by the originater of phenomenology, Edmund Husserl, became ideological buds with friggin' Lenin after the revolution, endorsed a form of Christianity that said "truth is a lie, and God is a feeble fuckup" then went fascist, (first Italian, later Nazi) and then had the good sense to move to Switzerland before the war started, and who throughout WW2 was cheering on the Germans as they attacked the USSR, and if anything became even more extreme after world war two is, ah, interesting.

Nebakenezzer posted:

OK, so Ivan Ilyin, this intellectual managed to combine fascist-style mystic Russian nationalism, fascist hostility to law and rational government, some assumptions that make communists nod in agreement, and a incredibly bizarre religious take. Here is a fascist who never really understood the joke of "there being no truth, and that is a Truth." The cash value of this insanity is that the dude believed "the ends justify any means" and "human life is as worthless as truth" (and that is a truth.) I've no idea how much Putin and co actually believe in this poo poo, but if you want to justify government-less authoritarianism combined with mythical nationalism and justification to do literally whatever you want , his thinking is useful, right down to his sex anxiety. His essays have been given to officials, and Putin has quotes him frequently in speeches. If you think fascism is an aesthetic political movement, then Ilyin appears to be a major style influence in the current government.

Nebakenezzer posted:

It's totally true that the only reason the type hasn't been given up is that it allows shorty carriers of dubious utility

A few years ago now Mr. Chips in the AI thread posted a neat but sadly incomplete history of VSTOL:

The Triumph of Thrust Over Gravity (and Sense) – A Brief Account of the (Unfortunate) History of Vertical Takeoff Aircraft

Part One – The First (Mis)Steps
Part Two - More Engines, Many More Problems
Part Three – Lots of Money Chasing Lots of Bad Ideas

Maybe if we ask nice Mr. Chips will talk about acceptable bribes to get him to finish part four, "Everyone Loses Their Minds (Especially the Soviets)"

Nebakenezzer posted:

The Cold War thread, a few years ago talked about this. There's a 1950s training film on youtube called "A Day Called X", a full dress rehearsal evacuation of - Portland, Or? A city on the West Coast. Anyway, by the video's account anyway, the evacuation was successful. Even people in hospitals and such were evacuated to designated areas - the entire municipal government also had a nuclear hardened shelter in under a mountain to coordinate, with several officials having the full-time job of evacuation planning. As part of the planning, they also evacuated all the city's utility trucks to help in disaster relief and reconnection of services.

This whole thing took four hours of course, and I'll let you and other readers ITT decide if that's remotely plausible. In the early/mid 1950s, the weapons were intercontinental bombers which would drop one or two massive multi-megaton bombs. Four hours was really a worst case scenerio - likely warning would have been even longer than that. What's more, you had additional things playing in your favor: Air defense with NORAD had a realistic chance of knocking down a fair number of attackers, and bombs can of course be mis-aimed, making even an actual realized attack less effective.

Two things changed about this 'rosy' scenario: ICBMs and the consequent miniaturizing of nuclear weapons. (This is why nuclear bomb research post 1960 switches from 'bigger bombs' to 'smaller bombs, both in yield and size.') Now, your warning shrinks to...well, it depends, Half an hour seems the norm, though a percentage of missiles were kept on 15 minute alert. Certain scenarios (like a 'decapitation strike') have an 8 minute warning? Even the president is getting killed by that one unless he's on an idling AF1 ready for takeoff. Also as ICBMs carried more warheads and the numbers of weapons went up to the thousands, every city and target of value is getting plastered with warheads; accurate targeting and the number of warheads on a given city means that everybody is gettin' killed as it turns out 6-8 near simultaneous strikes is much more efficient at putting people in the 'pray for swift death' zone of the blast then 15 megatons liberally applied.

If you look up Life magazine in Google books, you'll see that in the early 1960s, people are still scheming for civil defense plans (and just FYI, I think a lot of the illustrations they used ended up influencing the original Fallout artists/designers.) Knowing what we know now, it's clear that the people making these plans really only expect something like 10-15% of the people properly sheltered to survive. And this was in the early 60s.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Thyre be dragons:

Schadenboner posted:

The "Swedish interceptors from the 70s were good" thing is just a canard.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

There also aren't a lot of tails to tell about them.

Cyrano4747 posted:

I can get behind 1991 as an end date for this thread.

Also gives anyone who wants to write a kick rear end OP time to put their effort hat on.

Splode posted:

Out of curiosity, what is the rationale behind locking old threads and starting new identical threads?

Splode posted:

Out of curiosity, what is the rationale behind locking old threads and starting new identical threads?

Captain von Trapp posted:

Per thread rules and not beating a dead horse, not going to say anything political. But I bet there's a whole lot going on in air defense artillery.

Cyrano4747 posted:

There's a few things.

The most important is that it breaths life into things. A lot of users get really daunted by seeing a 1k+ page thread. It's hard to just jump in and inevitably you find that when they reboot you get a surge of new posters. gently caress, I just recently started actively participating in the GBS OSHA thread after literally years of trying to catch up with the old one. It's easy to say "just skip to the end" but the reality is that people dont.

There's some forums backend stuff that it also helps out with. It's not as necessary as it used to be (once upon a time there was a hard cap that we didn't like to go over) but it's still good practice.

Also forums culture changes over time in subtle and sometimes not subtle ways. Like, a few weeks ago I had a poster PM me a worried message about some hosed up poo poo they saw PCOS Bill post back in like 2014 or something. They were catching up on a thread and didn't realize that they were over five years behind on it and legit thought they needed to make a mod aware of what they thought was really lovely behavior that was uncharacteristic of TFR. So it's generally best to refresh things now and again so that dumb stuff from a decade ago isn't just perpetually hanging out and waiting to cause anther headache, even if it's a short lived "yo that was a long time ago" flavored one.

The first bit is the most important by far though. Keeping threads fresh is a big part of how you make them accessible and welcoming to new posters.

Smiling Jack posted:

Anybody got a good breakdown on Iranian SRBM forces or should I just wiki it?

Mazz posted:

The unfortunate part is outside of dedicated Patriot locations we’re kind of terrible at it

Mazz posted:

The unfortunate part is outside of dedicated Patriot locations we’re kind of terrible at it

Smiling Jack posted:

Anybody got a good breakdown on Iranian SRBM forces or should I just wiki it?

bewbies posted:

man, i was reading twitter (i know) and it is kind of surprising just how badly misinformed the entire planet seems to be about patriot

Captain Log posted:

So, this is only going to get worse and stupid...er, right? Please tell me my expert analysis is wrong.

Captain Log posted:

So, this is only going to get worse and stupid...er, right? Please tell me my expert analysis is wrong.

Captain Log posted:

What response could they have that would be, “crushing?” Iran has always been known for their extremely bombastic view towards words.

Captain Log posted:

What response could they have that would be, “crushing?” Iran has always been known for their extremely bombastic view towards words.