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Paying a monthly fee for multiplayer access in TYOOL 2022 is loving bonkers, I can't believe people still have to pay for that poo poo. And a bunch of games have all of the F2P cruft on top of being a full price game lol
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i can't believe xbox and playstation still charge you to use your own internet connection
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Jul 30, 2022 23:29
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Mario Maker 2 is probably the most bang for your buck on the Switch, but yeah it's insane how you still have to pay a monthly fee just to let the console talk to your ISP
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Jul 30, 2022 23:30
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Ehh I "get" it if it's basically a central hosting server like psn or switch online. I don't necessarily like it but you gotta upkeep the poo poo and you have no way of knowing how much traffic will be riding on it. Though I wouldn't pay for it myself because I understand things like "router forwarding" and "how to look up your own ip address." Not really sure how Valve manages to offer it for free but they do. but lol that nintendo charges for animal crossing because that game literally uses old school peer-to-peer netplay
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Jul 30, 2022 23:44
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Fur20 posted:Ehh I "get" it if it's basically a central hosting server like psn or switch online. I don't necessarily like it but you gotta upkeep the poo poo and you have no way of knowing how much traffic will be riding on it. Though I wouldn't pay for it myself because I understand things like "router forwarding" and "how to look up your own ip address." i dunno but lemme tell you that i got this ancient console called a "PC" that has been doing free multiplayer forever like Sony and microsoft aren't ripping you off like every huge loving tech company in the world lmao
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Jul 30, 2022 23:59
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My unpopular opinion: sometimes you gotta pay for stuff 
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Jul 31, 2022 00:16
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Nintendo is pretty reasonable with the online fees compared to others. My guess is they make their money through system, game and dlc sales .
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Jul 31, 2022 00:18
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neato burrito posted:My unpopular opinion: sometimes you gotta pay for stuff paying for products and services is cool paying for rent-seeking "we put an arbitrary block on the hardware to stop you from doing something you could otherwise do" sucks rear end same as the loving heated seat subscription in bmws
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Jul 31, 2022 00:19
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:paying for products and services is cool Lol wut
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Jul 31, 2022 00:20
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neato burrito posted:My unpopular opinion: sometimes you gotta pay for stuff Now we just need to agree on which stuff.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:20
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Fur20 posted:Ehh I "get" it if it's basically a central hosting server like psn or switch online. I don't necessarily like it but you gotta upkeep the poo poo and you have no way of knowing how much traffic will be riding on it. Though I wouldn't pay for it myself because I understand things like "router forwarding" and "how to look up your own ip address." Valve offers it for free because free multiplayer servers draw you into the digital storefront, this is why free multiplayer servers have been ubiquitous on PC since the 1990s, even the Microsoft Internet Gaming Zone (which existed long before Steam) operated on this premise and was free except for very specific titles (MMOs). Sony used to offer a free multiplayer tier, if you paid then you'd get free games but it wasn't mandatory for multiplayer. Did that change?
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Jul 31, 2022 00:21
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The Switch has more worthwhile exclusives than the PS5 and whatever stupid name the new Xbox has combined. Seriously there’s nothing worth getting on either that you can’t get on another console like the 4 or bone. Maaaaybe the Demons Souls remake but I hesitate to count it since it’s 1 for 1 just the game you can get on your PS3.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:24
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OG Battle.net was interesting because I don't think that it had a store per se, but it did run banner ads that linked to a web store where you could buy games and merch. I distinctly remember seeing ads for Diablo 2 while hanging around looking for Brood War custom map settings games. I remember you could also buy Lost Vikings and the Warcraft 2 Battlechest
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Jul 31, 2022 00:25
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Fur20 posted:Not really sure how Valve manages to offer it for free but they do. They offer it for free because they’re printing infinite money from their cut of all sales through Steam.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:28
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QuarkJets posted:Valve offers it for free because free multiplayer servers draw you into the digital storefront, this is why free multiplayer servers have been ubiquitous on PC since the 1990s, even the Microsoft Internet Gaming Zone (which existed long before Steam) operated on this premise and was free except for very specific titles (MMOs). That was just on the ps3, maybe psp? Now the only online games you can do without a ps+ account are f2p stuff or something that has its own subscriptions (and thus servers) like ff14.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:36
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Harrow posted:They offer it for free because they’re printing infinite money from their cut of all sales through Steam. They offer it for free because it's not even their hardware in the first place. If I play FFXIV through steam I am playing on Square Enix's servers, not Valve's. If I play FFXIV on ps4 I am still playing on Square Enix's servers, not Sony's... but Sony controls the device I'm using so I still have to pay them just to stop them from blocking my connection. They aren't creating any value in that interaction, they're just extracting money because they are in a unique position to do so and you can't go to anyone else. That's rent-seeking.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:37
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There are plenty of game devs that would happily offer their own free servers, or at least let you set up your own hosting. Console online subscription services are a hilariously blatant scam when it comes to using them to access online play, though admittedly PSN often has some pretty good free/discount offerings that come along with it.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:44
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:They offer it for free because it's not even their hardware in the first place. If I play FFXIV through steam I am playing on Square Enix's servers, not Valve's. Valve do host some multiplayer games on their servers, though I think that's a relatively recent thing. But also I had no idea you had to have PS+ to play FFXIV on Playstation, that's some serious bullshit.
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Jul 31, 2022 01:10
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Setting up your own hosting as a player is the way to do it, but traditional peer-to-peer is cumbersome for the end user and can result in a loss of sales if multiplayer is a selling point for your game  Which is the beauty of the Steam overlay, because (when it works, which hasn't been reliable since they updated the in game chat feature) as long as the dev has set it up correctly to receive the info from the overlay's interface, you can make your game autofill the info it needs to do p2p. Of course, if your end users need to forward ports, you could still be up poo poo creek anyway.And therein is the benefit of paid services for consoles: they do punch-through on port forwarding. And you or me? We cut our teeth on figuring it out, we were motivated. This is  but seriously, people these days don't know how to port forward and they can't be bothered to learn something that takes all of sixty seconds to teach. The result is, developers lose more sales because end users are unwilling to become educated, and maybe you even take a bad review because babby cant open port 7777.Setting up your own server as a small studio or an independent dev is a great way to hemmorage money out of every orifice. Photon and Unity literally charge individual developers who use their netplay solutions, billed per individual player hour; both solutions were originally designed to support peer-to-peer play and both deliberately stripped this option out to force you to pay them more money. That's the real scam, my friends
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Jul 31, 2022 01:14
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You don't have to port forward poo poo with UPNP enabled which is like 10 year old tech. Routers have that pre-enabled by default. But the console tax is real. You get server hosting, but it's like 10x the price it should be without the option to host your own poo poo. You're paying for the most expensive games to host even if all you want to play is stardew valley with a friend. That's capitalist communism for ya!
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Jul 31, 2022 01:40
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galagazombie posted:The Switch has more worthwhile exclusives than the PS5 and whatever stupid name the new Xbox has combined. Seriously there’s nothing worth getting on either that you can’t get on another console like the 4 or bone. Maaaaybe the Demons Souls remake but I hesitate to count it since it’s 1 for 1 just the game you can get on your PS3. This is because the PS5 is backwards compatible with the PS4. But let's just be fair and say PS4/PS5 is generally the same thing. And now the PS systems have way more exclusives than the switch which has a crappy pay for backwards emulation service with a bunch of stuff I could run on my cell phone.
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Jul 31, 2022 01:43
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Nat hole punching is a valuable service but not an expensive one, it's literally like <10 packets per multiplayer game and that's it, and they're all super lightweight with no data except ports and ip addresses. They spend 100x more bandwidth and server time downloading the ads to display on your homescreen than they'll possibly spend on hole punching.
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Jul 31, 2022 01:44
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Harrow posted:Valve do host some multiplayer games on their servers, though I think that's a relatively recent thing. You don't. Donno what rockstar's excuse is, though. Pretty sure you need ps+ for that, and they don't seem to have any trouble hosting servers for the pc versions and footing the bill there. Maybe it's a psn requirement to use their servers unless you have your own and do cross-server play or monetize your game beyond psn downloads or something. Who knows.
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Jul 31, 2022 02:47
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Harrow posted:
Agreed it should be easy for everyone to oplay FFXIV it's a fun game I played a catboy
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QuarkJets posted:Paying a monthly fee for multiplayer access in TYOOL 2022 is loving bonkers, I can't believe people still have to pay for that poo poo. And a bunch of games have all of the F2P cruft on top of being a full price game lol Turns out AAA games can't cost sixty bucks forever regardless of inflation.
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Jul 31, 2022 02:49
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MassiveSky posted:Turns out AAA games can't cost sixty bucks forever regardless of inflation. True. They should come down in price.
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:did you play a catboy? William Henry Hairytaint posted:It was fun. I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:Final Fantasy XIV was pretty good I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:I liked FFXIV a lot William Henry Hairytaint posted:It's good though. I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:FF14 was cool I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:It was fun I played a catboy William Henry Hairytaint posted:I liked 14 William Henry Hairytaint posted:Agreed it should be easy for everyone to oplay FFXIV it's a fun game
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PC games are great because of all the cheaters, hacks and bots, its awesome. Port forwarding kicks rear end, i can't believe kids nowadays don't know how to forward their ports, i'm thinking about making a tiktok to teach them about port forwarding
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Jul 31, 2022 04:41
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Maybe you're just bad at video games, you ever consider that?
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I have no idea what port forwarding even means or does. I was always mad when I had to
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Jul 31, 2022 05:16
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William Henry Hairytaint played a catboy in Final Fantasy 14.
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I think it's sickening that people who play MMORPGs are allowed to interact with the general populace. I say this as someone who has played many MMORPGs. They all suck. They are bad games and honestly you're bad person if you enjoy them.
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Jul 31, 2022 05:31
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Duck and Cover posted:They all suck. They are bad games and honestly you're bad person if you enjoy them. Sincerely, A DOTA player
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Waltzing Along posted:The last great Zelda was Link Between Worlds. Before that it was Wind Waker. And now we've gone back 20 years. maybe another year until the contiguous every gamer opinion equals this but, agreedo.
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Jul 31, 2022 05:38
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It's been over five years since BoTW came out, that year is never going to come because the game owned.
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Meme Poker Party posted:Sincerely, Dota is a videogame I'm not sure I can say the same for MMORPGS. If you gave me Raid Shadow Legends, and FF14 I'm not sure which one I'd want to "play" more.
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DOTA players on today's internet have the same status that furries had on the 1990s internet. They're the butt of every joke and probably don't deserve all of the mockery that is brought down on them by their own weirdly toxic actions, and in 30 years or so most people will be like "yeah they're weird but I guess I can tolerate them" and then Pixar will make a movie about a little girl who magically transforms into a DOTA player sometimes and all of her friends think it's super cool
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