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aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Apparently this is the new line of attack for my conservative friends:

quote:

6 months ago , I predicted that obama would take credit for the improvements made by Repub governors...it's amazing how accurately the future you can see if you just think it through....while the nations unemployment rate stayed stubbornly over 8.1 % for 43 months, many fiscally sane repub govnr's have created business friendly environments, resulting in above par job growth. Ohio ( 10.6 high down to 7.2 low) over 3 point reduction & Florida ( 11.3 high down to 8.6 low) appx 3 point reduction. The nations unemployment rate ( 9.9 down to 8.1) less than a 1.9 point reduction......hell, south dakota alone under repub govn'r is @ 4.4.....I wonder what the combined deficits & unemployment rate is for Dem states that follow the prez's philosophy....nothing worse than a guy who takes credit for the hard work of others...and worse yet casts blame for the stagnation & malais caused by things he did and supported his entire life...expansion of the entitlement system as a community organizer and senator, all the while, fighting for those subprime housing loans that sunk our economy.... if you're undecided it's wise to consider what's true, what works and what doesn't.

I started the debate by pointing out Michigan as one of the highest drops in unemployment, trying to link the auto bailout as a success.

Any other lines of thinking?

# ¿ Sep 26, 2012 14:47

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 18:03

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

VideoTapir posted:

Red states and federal funding.

The fact that some of them are oil or gas producers and would be booming no matter who was in office.

yeah I mentioned that.

I took job growth stats from 2011 and showed him that 6 of the top 10 were western oil/gas states that benefited from pop growth and federal funding.

# ¿ Sep 26, 2012 15:40

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

So this happened on my facebook today re: Sandy Hook Shooting

crazyfacebookdude posted:

My theory is this. The recent shootings, starting with Columbine, are part of a larger plan to disarm the American public. The power of the government has been growing for over 2 administrations now and with that power also comes fear from the people who hold it. When governments reach a point of oppression, the people have a tendency to rise up and overthrow those governments. With the rise of the PATRIOT Act, which stripped us of out civil liberties with the constant threat of being labeled a terrorist, our freedoms of been severely curtailed.

At the same time, the quality of TV programming has declined severely with the rise of so called reality TV, where to lowest common denominator in our society is celebrated. Even a network called The Learning Channel has followed this path with reality shows about white trash and crazy folk.

Combine this with the attack on public education started by the Bush 2 administration. No Child Left Behind punishes failing schools with unachievable goals and uses unrealistic methods (standardized testing) to evaluate success. It does nothing to address the larger cultural issues that cause schools to fail, like poverty and local communities that do not value education, or even family for that matter. The analogy I compare this attitude to is that of an Olympic runner trying to make his time. He feels sick one day and takes too long to run his course, so instead of having him rest and train to improve, his coach punches him in the gut and says run faster. When he continues to fail, the coach removes him from the team. This attitude toward education actually promotes failing schools by ignoring all the underlying problems they face. This results in a dumping down of the American public, who then turn to instagram, facebook and twitter in droves to spread their stupidity. An unintelligent public won't know when the government is taking away their rights and disarming them.

Now a new push has begun for gun control laws on the heels of these latest incidents. The UN is pressuring the US to disarm us, and the Liberals who are by far in control right now, are listening. These are all signs that we are headed for a military state. One, which will not begin until we are disarmed against those who would oppress us. All of this, in order to keep a small group of predominantly white men in power and keep the rest of us subservient without the ability to think for ourselves.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2013 18:09

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

facebook posted:

Inauguration day facts.

Gallon of gas 1/20/2009: $1.84
Gallon of gas 1/20/2013: $3.26

Unemployment rate 1/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment rate 1/20/2013: 7.8%

Estimated welfare spending as of 1/20/2009: $563 billion
Estimated welfare spending as of 1/20/2013: $1.03 trillion

Number of Americans on food stamps 1/20/2009: 34 million
Number of Americans on food stamps 1/20/2013: 47.5 million

Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/1009: $161
Average monthly premium for individual health policies 1/20/1009: $184

Median household income in America adjusted for inflation 1/20/2009: $52,195
Median household income in America adjusted for inflation 1/20/2013: $50,054

Number of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan as of 1/20/2009: 630
Number of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan as of 1/20/2013: 1324

US national debt as of 1/20/2009: $10 trillion
US national debt as of 1/20/2013: $16.4 trillion

Social Security income/deficits as of 1/20/2009: SURPLUS of roughly $4 billion
Social Security income/deficits as of 1/20/2013: DEFICIT of roughly $20 billion

Lastly, the number of Americans age 16 or older who decided not to work or even to seek a job increased by 8,332,000 to a record 88,839,000 in President Barack Obama�s first term, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

At the same time, the number of retired workers collecting Social Security increased by only 4,234,480.

CHANGE?

Ugh, people.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2013 20:43

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

Hmm it's almost as if the economy was in a tailspin at the beginning of 2009! Coincidence? Nope. Just Obama.

That was my first comment.

the response:

facebook posted:

We were going through one then too. I know it is convenient to forget that the economy has been bad since Bush's second term.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2013 20:51

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

e: this belongs in the political cartoons thread.

Carry on...

aBagorn fucked around with this message at 15:25 on May 1, 2013

# ¿ May 1, 2013 15:19

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

This has been making the rounds today from a couple of my friends, who cite it as CLEAR EVIDENCE that Obummer lied and covered up Benghazi.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-talking-points_720543.html?page=1

# ¿ May 3, 2013 21:54

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Are there any really concise, quick rebuttals to Friedman a la the Paulbomb?

My super conservative brother in law is in town and he's driving me nuts.

# ¿ May 30, 2013 20:15

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Gourd of Taste posted:

Thomas or Milton?

Milton

# ¿ May 30, 2013 20:23

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Amused to Death posted:

Well, for starters, Friedman supported a guaranteed income through a negative income tax I believe. It's almost like, those who really love the market also know it doesn't really work well when 1/2 the people in the market have poo poo all for buying power and leverage.

Using this hard

# ¿ May 30, 2013 23:45

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Mitchicon posted:

Hey, didn't the NRA start supporting gun control when the Black Panthers began openly carrying firearms?

Yes

# ¿ Jun 18, 2013 14:09

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Here's a new (to me) "government is bad" one:

facebook posted:

From my friend Suede: A cowboy named Bud was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous pasture in Montana when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni� suit, Gucci� shoes, RayBan� sunglasses and YSL� tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"

Bud looks at the man, who obviously is a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure, why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell� notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3� cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo. The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop� and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany ...
Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot� that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL� database through an ODBC connected Excel� spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry� and, after a few minutes, receives a response.
Finally, he prints out a full-colro, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet� printer, turns to the cowboy and says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Bud. He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then Bud says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"

"You're a Congressman for the U.S. Government", says Bud.

"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required," answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of dollars worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep.... Now give me back my dog."

# ¿ Jul 8, 2013 17:16

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Another good one, and this (according to snopes) is correctly attributed:

Charlie Daniels posted:

Charlie Daniels, is an American Patriot and famous Country Western Singer.

Please take time to read his recent comments of July 1, 2013. Pass this on if you agree.

The Press and Paula Deen - Soapbox 07/01/13

I think that if anything exemplifies the overt prejudice and determination of the American media to report only the news that suits their social and political interests and concept of what does and does not fit their agenda, it�s the totally overblown coverage of something Paula Deen said 20 years ago, and some party she planned that she wanted to resemble a plantation scene featuring black male waiters in period dress.

If Hollywood plans a movie featuring black waiters in a plantation scene or portray women as prostitutes or cast minorities in caricature roles does the media get upset and start calling the movie moguls racists?

Is there any grown person who could truthfully declare under oath that they have never uttered something that someone might find personally offensive?

�Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.�

Do the twenty-year-old words of a lady with a television cooking show trump the lie an Attorney General told Congress, or officials at the IRS usurping the rights of the American public and pleading the fifth amendment when confronted about it or the hiding of the facts surrounding the murder of four Americans at a Consulate in Libya or the incredibly shabby image of a president taking a one hundred million dollar vacation in this economy while closing down tours of the White House or the NSA invasion on the privacy of millions of unsuspecting citizens?

I think not, and yet these and other stories of the utmost importance were either ignored or given a back seat to the Paula Deen story which, when taken in context with the high level scandals, Putin's snubbing of an American president, the potentially explosive situations in so much of the world the story was certainly not newsworthy enough to be featured five nights in a row on network news.

Wouldn't a week-long investigation into the life of Lois Lerner, the things she's done and the reason she's pleading the fifth be more meaningful to the American people?

What about what's going on in Israel ? The media has been strangely quiet on that front lately, is there nothing worth reporting in that volatile part of the world?

How about the coming catastrophic tidal wave the effect of Obamacare is going to have on America , is there nothing worth questioning in the over 30,000 pages of regulations?

How about the fact that due to federal over regulation it's nearly impossible to live in the U.S. without breaking some law?

How about the Christian pastor who is being held in one of the worst hell hole prisons in the world in Iran for nothing more than sharing his faith?

How about a whole way of life that's being destroyed in West Virginia by the president's war on coal?

I think you get the picture.

No wonder the mainstream media has fallen so far in the trust of the American people.

Why is the Paula Deen story worth so much airtime if not to take attention off the truly important issue, the life changing things that really affect the lives of Americans?

The news is not about news anymore. It's about protecting some people, destroying others and shoving a socialist agenda down the collective throats of America .

What do you think?

Pray for our troops and the peace of Jerusalem .

God Bless America ,

Charlie Daniels

# ¿ Jul 9, 2013 10:34

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Welp, this happened.

Starts with some false equivalency, adds a dash of "reverse racism" and "personal responsibility"

# ¿ Jul 16, 2013 00:17

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

vyelkin posted:

And then link the resume study or something.

welp:

some racist posted:

In response to your links I would only have this to offer; In todays society we have allowed political correctness to put up too many walls to true scientific investigation. If I were to produce a study saying there was no racial bias in hiring practices I would be deemed a racist. If I step forward and say Trayvon was more guilty of an illegal act than Zimmerman was because he assaulted him I am undoubtedly called a racist. In an environment such as that I can't accept the validity of any pseudo academic study. Especially one of such a small sample size and quite frankly a preposterous investigational technique like black sounding names. But, even if you do ascribe to these studies results, you still cannot deny or ignore the reverse racism present in todays culture, led first and foremost by a liberal media. From endless frivolous racial lawsuits (crackerbarrel restaurant comes to mind) to the asinine actions the federal government takes.

and apparently this from 2011:

http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/03/obama-admin-makes-dayton-oh-police-department-lower-standards-to-accommodate-minorities/

is this a real thing?

aBagorn fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Jul 16, 2013

# ¿ Jul 16, 2013 11:25

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Coffee And Pie posted:

Mostly, I'm just jealous of purses. I could always have hand sanitizer and a snack on me!

Skirts, man. Skirts in the heat are 100% more comfortable than pants or even shorts.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2013 15:31

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Sir Rolo posted:

While this is true, there's no excuse for becoming a daily utilikilt wearer.

Also good, especially for weekend wear. Though I do prefer the look of pencil skirts for work/going out. Marc Jacobs style

# ¿ Jul 25, 2013 15:43

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

I walked into the bedroom today to hear my wife playing the Afterburner Trayvon video :negative:

# ¿ Jul 28, 2013 02:23

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Zeroisanumber posted:

Fair enough, but even New York and the Pacific Northwest get back at least dollar for dollar. $.62 on the dollar is really inequitable.

I don't think you're reading the map as intended.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2013 00:07

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

-Zydeco- posted:

It's illegal to impersonate military personnel, so it's more likely that he only put his dress uniform on to try and make himself look more impressive and isn't very good a putting it together.

Also, you get a shitload of ribbons for stupid reasons. Unit did good and got a citation? Everyone on in the unite gets a ribbon! Pass basic? Here's your ribbon! The individual ribbons matter, but the number doesn't mean much unless the guy's chest is covered.

Yeah for me it's the fact that he's (apparently) an E7 but has ribbons from Desert Storm....what?

# ¿ Sep 1, 2013 18:28

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Armyman25 posted:

Could be in the Reserves? The tend to make rank slower than the active duty.

Possibly. Still I don't think a 20+ year vet is going to pull a stunt like this

# ¿ Sep 1, 2013 18:33

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Got that "put me in charge of welfare" shared by a friend of mine.

I pushed back about the myth of "welfare queens" and the like and got back a rant about how "people do it as a profession" and "they get better healthcare than me"

I tried pushing back about the healthcare bit (she said she pays an "arm an a leg" for it) that we should all be getting better healthcare and she would have none of it.

Ugh, this is one of my wife's close friends.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2013 14:39

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Lazarus Long posted:

tell her if welfare is such a great "profession" she should quit her job and try it out. I'm sure she will be living a life of luxury in no time.

I shamed her enough with stats.

However a third party jumped in with "there's no pride in people today, they should feel ashamed to have to depend on assistance"

I want to punch that person.

Usually I don't even bother with people, but as a former welfare recipient myself (I was unemployed but ineligible for UE for about 18 months) the subject really bothers me.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2013 16:28

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

seiferguy posted:

A friend of mine in his 50s just posted this entitlement hit piece against millenials:

http://www.waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html?m=1

Long story short: we aren't special and we're entitled pricks who need to man up, or something.

4 of my friends reposted this today. All of them in their 20s/very early 30s

Self bashing is the new thing, I guess?

# ¿ Sep 17, 2013 19:54

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Are they programmers/tech workers by chance? Many of my friends in those fields continue to be perplexed as to why everyone else can't just major in comp-sci and do the same thing they do. I mean, they're practically handing out STEM-related jobs like candy, right? Never mind that many of those jobs require very specific credentials and are often underpaid, which is why nobody takes them.

I mean, even if they aren't of that stripe, there are a ton of millennials who fall into the whole bootstraps mindset because they have no idea just how much easier the average boomer had it.

Non-degreed bartender
Naval musician
Law Student

and the weirdest one, the valedictorian of my High School with a masters in reproductive biology from Harvard who routinely shares from "being liberal" and the like, and who is currently living in Australia. Her I don't get at all

# ¿ Sep 17, 2013 20:33

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

So other than the NYT article that talks about the drop in premiums from $1000 to $308 for private insurance with Obamacare, are there any other reports coming out?

# ¿ Sep 21, 2013 18:51

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I don't know if this will be useful to anyone but it's helped me explain the debt ceiling to people.

Throughout the year, Congress had authorized spending, they've debated and compromised, they've made cuts and changes and were eventually able to agree to spend a certain amount.

Now that it's time to actually pay, Republicans in the House won't agree unless they get a do-over on Obamacare.

This is like getting a new job, they offered you $8.00 an hour but you were able to get them to agree to $9.00, let's say you agreed to work weekends or graveyard shifts as part of that deal.

Now it's payday and your boss doesn't want to write you a check. He wants you to agree to $7.75 and then he'll make a deal.

Do you and your boss share the blame in this "negotiation?"

No. The time to negotiate was back when the funding was authorized, not on Payday, not when you've got a bill due in 14 days that will ruin you financially if you don't pay.

If this happened to you, you'd be saying "no changes to the deal, no negotiations, no conference. Write me a clean check to pay for what we already agreed to."

And when you looked in the mirror, you'd realize that your name is Albert Einstein.

Shamelessly stole this for facebook use (without the cheeky Einstein line) and it's received a ton of "huh, that does sound dumb" responses.

You have cracked the language of the facebookers. Show me your ways

# ¿ Oct 2, 2013 20:39

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

So I've already eviscerated this guy after this post, but this popped up in the middle of a rational discussion we were having. He started spouting some Tea Party rhetoric, but was really open to discussion. Then some troll comes on about Obama being muslim, and I made the mistake of answering "what would be wrong if he was?"

quote:

Read the Koran and decide for yourself if you wish....it has enough hatred implanted against Jews, Christians and infidels in general to validate what the liberal media calls radicals or jihadists...in truth, the Koran calls for these actions and responses to those that do not submit to Islam...infidels must be converted,or taxed,or killed. Luckily,99.9999% do not follow the teachings of their own holy book. Of world violence, check the percentage due to followers of Islam. Instead of measuring their acceptability due to rational motives and decency...read their book and decide for yourself...either that or just look at the violent history of the spread of Islam. I tried to be brief...but Islam is a religion of conquest using the methods I noted, but dying for the cause makes one a martyr with a great reward of virgins awaiting in heaven....Jews are the most hated because they did not recognize Mohammed as a prophet.....the language against Jews is horrifyinf at best. Christians are next in line for the same sin and for proclaiming Jesus as the son of God. All the remainder are infidels...how sweet is that??? It takes about an hour or two to read the entire book or read summaries of the Saras...it is plainly presented. And other writers have done credible jobs of describing Islam, like Harris...however, the best are written by women who have left Islam...where Sharia Law delegates them to a low status of mere objects....a woman raped in Islam requires three witnesses,all men, to validate the accusation in court....much more...back to vacation.Oh...just too get you excited, Mohammed s favorite wife was a young girl, under 14, could be 12,don't exactly remember......that's called rape in America.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 02:24

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Mornacale posted:

The big change needed is that originally everyone wanted to just have a fridge with free pop in it, but Bill couldn't stand that idea so they agreed to force everyone to pay for it instead.

And that there used to be a soda machine that charged $10 a soda. If you were really thirsty and couldn't afford one, you could grab one for free, but then all your co workers had to chip in for your soda, and each time you did it the price if soda for everyone went up a bit.

This machine was going to make everyone pay buy their own soda, and if they had trouble paying for it, management would cover some of the cost.

I got way too into the analogy.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2013 13:49

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

What's the name of that plugin that anonymizes facebook with the funny pun names?

# ¿ Oct 10, 2013 17:14

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

I'm Otto Matic.

Did I do my car analogy right?

# ¿ Oct 10, 2013 17:39

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Anyone have a quick and dirty (with numbers if possible) retort to this "church of Reaganomics" blog post?

http://factreal.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/reaganomics-the-success-of-president-reagans-economic-policies/

Apparently the blog post is sourcing this Forbes article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/

aBagorn fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 18, 2013

# ¿ Oct 17, 2013 23:57

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Ravenfood posted:

The font and coloring isn't doing it any favors. It looks like the ramblings of a crazy person aesthetically. But yeah, the actual numbers on there basically show that the vast majority of your taxes go towards corporate subsidies instead of a bunch of personally useful stuff.

I like the idea, if not the execution.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2013 15:05

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Amused to Death posted:

20% of the budget in general is military, which would make it a substantially larger portion of income taxes.

However, Medicare actually receives a big part of its budget from general funds as the Medicare tax isn't enough to cover it.
e: actually if you want to complicate things more, a decent minority of revenue going into SS is now by ways of the trust fund(SS is in a deficit by payroll taxes alone) which in turn is funded by interest payments on the debt, which comes out of general taxation.

How accurate (or, rather, "accurate") is this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2012-taxreceipt

# ¿ Dec 17, 2013 22:05

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

I'd rather let them rant and not get sucked into the stupid ginned up "generational warfare" mindset because it masks the real problem of wealth inequality which is shared across generations.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2013 18:01

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

TerminalSaint posted:

God forbid a person ask for swiss cheese.

Thanks for reminding me of that John Kerry 'manufactured debacle', ugh.

I remember reading about it for weeks (yay living in Philly)

# ¿ Dec 26, 2013 23:30

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

So my facebook feed (being from Philadelphia) is quickly getting filled with people (citing the usual right wing sources) getting up in arms about Obama's latest appointee to the DOJ, Debo Adegbile, because he was involved in the appeals process of Mumia Abu-Jamal, notorious cop killer.

I'm correct in thinking this a non-issue that people are blowing out of proportion, right?

# ¿ Jan 9, 2014 18:31

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

If it's not too much to ask, can someone link me back to the posts refuting that dumb classroom socialist experiment?

I'm on my phone and it's way too difficult to dig around for it.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2014 20:06

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

If that's true, why have so many professional baseball players been diagnosed with ADD?

This is a joke post, right? Or are you actually searching for an answer?

\/ what he's getting at is that MLB players are purposely misdiagnosed so they can take Adderall

aBagorn fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Mar 31, 2014

# ¿ Mar 31, 2014 11:20

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 18:03

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

So another fun round of "idiots on facebook" happened today.

A friend of mine doesn't qualify for ACA subsidies because he makes too little, and is in one of the states (PA) that opted not to expand Medicaid (which would have covered him).

He started going off on other people with assistance and fraud/welfare queens, the standard playbook, and I'm trying to emphasize how we're all victims being played against each other etc etc.

His conservative leaning friends show up and one of them spouts out about how food stamps should be subject to drug testing and the like, and once you fail a test you should be barred from ever receiving benefits again.

After unsuccessfully trying to argue the absurdity of drug testing, I make an appeal to compassion, noting that we shouldn't be punishing children, who make up a ton of food stamp recipients, for their parents' alleged mistakes.

His response:

quote:

Sometimes in war there are casualties

I really just can't even wrap my head around how one arrives at that mindset.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2014 17:53

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