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Semi off-topic, sorry: mlmp08 what do you think of the feasability of ICBM defense as is being pushed right now? I've heard a lot of different opinions on it and you seem to be quite well informed.
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mlmp08 posted:so, uh, wall of text. Very cool wall of text, thank you.
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wkarma posted:Same front aspect stealth as the export F-35 with the CFT weapons pods, and longer range since the canted tails generate lift. Does anyone know if the export F35 will actualy be downgraded? It's one of the many points of conflict in the procurement drama of replacing Dutch F-16's. Ive seen other Americans mention that it's downgraded while local supporters keep claiming we're getting the "real deal", regardless of that is the best fit for us. Context: we used to have 213 F-16's and now have only 24 left operational. While due to "LOL JSF budget" we can afford maybe 45 new F35's. Weapons procurement is such fun.
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Mar 9, 2011 17:17
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5th gen is a lockheed-marting marketing term with ever changing goalposts. Atleast that's what I've been able to gather from reading general stuff on the web and a lecture by the North European F35 LM program director at our university. Supercruise? F35 can't do that. Stealth? does that make the F117 5th gen? Sensor fusion? any modern new built western fighter has that. If you take the 5th Gen concept seriously, then the only 5th gen aircraft is the raptor IMO. F35 might well be the best choice regardless, but basing that decision on marketing doublespeak is a bad idea. I'm just a MechEng student who spends entirely too much time reading about airplanes, so I offcourse could be completely wrong. AlexanderCA fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jun 7, 2011 |
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Jun 7, 2011 17:00
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Party Plane Jones posted:It still boggles my mind how expensive Sled Driver still is, and how there hasn't been a reprint of it that didn't cost 2 grand. The Military-Industrial Complex can't even get books on budget. 
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Jan 21, 2012 15:48
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So the guy thinking this up for Lockheed is an artist? That actually explains a lot...
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Jan 28, 2012 16:25
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Raw_Beef posted:Us "good guys" nations dont tend to hold military dickwaving parades. We do have lots of air shows with units like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds, but ive never heard of an army unit driving its AFVs down main st and the citizens hailing our conquering legions. Well.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMNPR4X5Nqo I always liked the French prancing about their tanks yearly, regardless of the nationalistic nuttiness.
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Apr 5, 2012 10:18
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Beardless posted:Apparently a bunch of African countries use them as well, or at least did in 1996. I can't imagine somewhere like Somalia upgrading its tanks since then. If you want to see rusty tanks in action, Somalia is definitely the place to be. 
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Jun 4, 2012 07:14
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That one is from the Transitional Federal Government apparently, from this series: http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR32MY8#a=6 . The African Union/Ugandan tanks seem in somewhat better shape: I don't know how they're used, but I imagine as fire support for infantry.
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Jun 4, 2012 07:51
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grover posted:Stealth and being able to detect and engage your target before he detects and engages you becomes extraordinarily important. It's why I'm so optimistic about the F-35: I see its potential to render all other aircraft (including the F-22, which cannot field a laser) obsolete. Like mlmp08 and Insane Totoro mentioned, I really hope you're right because rumor right now is we're only going to be able to afford (likely quite a bit) less than 50 of them to replace F16s here in the Netherlands. So it better be god's gift to military aviation or we're getting boned pretty hard. I remain very skeptical but hope to be proven wrong.
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Jun 14, 2013 16:06
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Koesj posted:Who cares, there's no more tanks or MPAs anyway and I'd rather keep the subs. Why not give up fast jets to pay for more Navy? Might finally get those pesky B61s off of Volkel as well. Eh, while I certainly agree the navy is the most useful and relevant (least useless and irrelevant?) component of the Dutch military and should get a bigger portion of the shrinking defence pie (along with airlift?), I'm not convinced getting rid of fighters altogether is a good option. You would be reliant on allies for QRA and more seriously on the Apaches for all organic air support on deployments. Not sure if it was this thread or another that mentioned that attack helicopters are rather vulnerable to common AA threats. Foregoing air support altogether doesn't seem viable after Srebrenica either. Now what we should actually do concretely: gently caress if I know, can't exactly influence it, but watching the public debate on this being completely misinformed in all directions is disheartening. Maybe the new vision document next week will finally answer the underlying fundamental question what our actual foreign policy goal is with regards to the military, but I doubt it. Can't say I give a drat about the ancient nukes in Volkel though, I imagine they'll be negotiated away in a tactical arms reduction treaty in the future.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I thought this was based on Carl Sagan and his virtuous lying about Nuclear war IE Nuclear Winter. Now I'm curious. Proceed.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:58
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Snowdens Secret posted:The Dutch Walrus-class are also pretty competent, although I have no idea if the Dutch would offer them for export Company that built them doesn't exist anymore and the knowledge is basically gone afaik. If (and that's a reasonably sized if) we're going to replace them in the future we will at the least need outside help, or in light of the proposed increased Dutch/German cooperation just buy German, though their designs tend to smaller/shorter ranged than we like, having holdings in the Caribbean and all. Here's 3 out of 4 actually being at sea, which is pretty rare: 
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Jul 18, 2013 10:06
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Psion posted:Space wizardry. Or cruel torture of enlisted maintenance guys. Probably that second one. One theory I've read is that older aircraft like the b52 and 707 based awacs have larger safety margins due to being designed before computational structural optimization was a thing. Makes sense to me. Modern aircraft try to squeeze every last bit of performance out of the structural weight, while older designs are comparatively over-designed.
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Aug 23, 2013 23:16
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Koesj posted:Oh god it's the headline on a national newspaper's site right now I feel vindicated in my student house having a Volkskrant subscription. The only "Tom Clancy" book I've actually read is Line of Control, as a kid because it was lying around for some reason. Are there any actually worth reading?
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Oct 2, 2013 16:55
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Mortabis posted:They use US Navy-esque aquaflage uniforms for their loving marines Love that dude's rotated cap, poo poo is fly.
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Nov 5, 2013 05:11
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Koesj posted:Because if we're going down the second road, I'd rather stick with factual or mildly interpretative posting about AIRPOWER/Cold War things myself, since I'd run the risk of pulling all kinds of scorn on me for voting a social democratic party in power 2 years ago. Which then promptly bought the F35 destining the Netherlands for a 2 squadron air force, while gutting the other branches.  See! it's on topic. I lean center left on most things as well
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Koesj posted:I don't have any dog in the fight of which aircraft is better in a pew pew sense mind you, I'm mostly interested in defense-industrial policy and programs of the past, present and future. So, how DOES one unfuck military production/procurement? Ever since I did my history minor's final paper on Eisenhower's speech (and it's misrepresentation as some argument for pacifism and conspiracy theories) I've been thinking about this and I haven't got the faintest clue. If MrChips excellent write-ups are anything to go by Soviet style design bureau's seem just as hosed a system.
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Jan 26, 2014 21:02
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Plinkey posted:There is a lot of fat that could be cut along the process, Cost+ contracts being a big one but then the big defense contractors wouldn't want to take the risk on new technology...etc (at least in theory) but they would find and have other ways to cut costs if that happened and do regularly. Now you mention it, a Dutch navy officer recently reminded me that they (at least partially) design their own ships and also act as a subcontractor of sorts to the private shipyard, while assuming risk responsibility? Their programs seem to run relatively smooth. Though that might be nationalist bias.
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Jan 27, 2014 09:38
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I'm no fan of the "behind the dikes" mentality but I wouldn't exactly equate Mark Rutte to a world leader.
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hailthefish posted:The best part is that they've outsourced their military to the US, and then won't shut the gently caress up about hon hon hon you silly Americans and your big military why don't you cut spending like us in civilized, enlightened Europe?! The section of society that does that, often don't see the need for any military spending at all. I've gotten weird looks when I agreed with someone's centre-left economic policies but thought we maybe don't need to cut defense spending for the 24th year in row. "what do you like war or something?"
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iyaayas01 posted:Ask me how I know. How do you know? Story time.
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The F35 McNamara
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F35 "Billion"
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The entire brigade is going mech to "motorised" iirc. Which is code for we're selling your ifvs and you'll use whatever wheeled stuff we have left lying around. Not that I have a better plan for what the hell to do with our armed forces.
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Feb 24, 2015 16:47
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Red Crown posted:They found one of the missing nukes in Georgia That sounded really interesting, so I googled a bit and it's a hoax. Best thing: the author is a porn star. http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/7560/pornstars-reporting-as-fake-as-her-orgasms Though the fact there are lost nuclear weapons out there is still pretty interesting in itself. E: gently caress beaten
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Now I feel dumb  Have a pic of the last hoax I fell for for a few minutes. 
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Feb 26, 2015 20:02
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Default Settings posted:It's one of those simulators that is more work than fun to "play", but you gain an in-depth knowledge of analog radar systems you can be loving sure to never have a real-world use for. There's some russian separatists who likely wished they had played this.
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That has me thinking. If you're one of the countries that doesn't develop their own aircraft. Would it make sense to buy/lease a single aircraft from each competing manufacturer and then do your own fly off, instead of these endless paper procurement/development projects? Return/sell the losing aircraft after your done, or stowe em in a museum.
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I just looked it up, seems that it's indeed a eu thing. The Netherlands paid 95 million euros in vat purely over international purchases (domestic purchases the vat numbers are not recorded). Also 1.3 billion of the 7? Billion euros are pensions and another 370 million are allocated to the marechaussee who are more border police than military. So actual military spending is less substantial than it would seem at first sight.
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May 21, 2015 18:59
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Aaaah, Draken, Gripen. Single middle letter. My autism goes full swing with how much they are misspelled even in national media here.
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Aug 13, 2015 09:07
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OhYeah posted:Are you mocking us because we are a small and relatively poor country? Do you think it's reasonable to expect a country of 1.3 million people, that was still under Soviet dictatorship 25 years ago by the way, to have their own air force? Maybe NATO can station a sense of humour squadron next rotation.
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Sep 13, 2015 18:55
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I've been slowly working my way through the China.jpg thread and when today I came across this picture I immediately saved this because I knew it would come in handy.  Didn't expect to use it so soon.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The Rafale is a shrunken looking plane because the French had to compact it down to work on their ghetto ski jump carrier. Is Australia going to buy a ghetto ski jump carrier? No? The Charles de Gaulle is a catobar carrier and the Aussies did buy 2 ghetto ski jump amphibs.
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Any recommendations for thread relevant podcasts? Need something to listen to at work and I thought I'd ask my favorite thread. Speaking of which what happened to iyaayas? He had interesting stories.
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Thomas Powers posted:Restraint? Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards. At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_S._Power?wprov=sfla1
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Cat Mattress posted:My impression of Canadian navy procurement is that the country is too small to afford the kind of large-scale, long-term programs that would let it develop and keep a competitive shipbuilding industry, but too proud to buy from competitive foreign shipyards. Therefore, each time there's a procurement program, a ton of money has to be spent on getting the industry back up to speed, and then it is allowed to wither away until next time where the whole process has to be started anew. The Netherlands has half the population and maintains a naval shipbuilding industry. But that comes at the cost of exporting boats to authoritarian regimes and selling our own navy ships before the end of their useful lifespan to keep building high end new stuff. It's also embedded in a larger shipbuilding sector focused on tugs, superyachts, dredgers and the offshore industry. How's the civilian shipbuilding industry in Canada?
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LingcodKilla posted:Kinda curious why we don’t do that with Arleigh Burke’s. Basically lease them for 10 then sell off to allies. Any country that would want to operate something on that level has it's own shipbuilding industry. A burke is a lot of very expensive ship to operate. The largest combatants being sold directly seem to be medium sized frigates. The Oliver hazard perry frigates have been exported for example.
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The European welfare states were built during the cold war while maintaining militaries much larger and more expensive than today. Both have since shrunk. I don't get this idea it's somehow become impossible to do both, which we did for literal decades.
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The early post war Dutch submarines also consisted of multiple (tiny) hulls.
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