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MrBling posted:Man, Trent Fords french accent is terrible. I hope he isnt in too many episodes.
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I think I've posted this before but the West Wing also has some xenophobic twinges now and again. Nearly every single foreign leader is portrayed in a negative light. They're always either slightly sinister, or for "friendly" countries they're always arrogant, or a blowhard, or a drunk, something like that. Lord Nigel eventually shows a competent aspect after he's been portrayed as a womanising buffoon for a few appearances, but the Qumari politicians are just cartoon arab villans, basically. The only exception I can think of is the African President (was that Equatorial Kundu?) who was a noble guy, but he got gunned down by his own people.
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Oct 4, 2011 15:15
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He knew the quote, Lord Marbury just finished his sentence for him. I don't agree that it was a fluke at all though, it seems obvious to me it was an exchange designed to show they had shared outlook on the situation and were on the same page. It was one of those moments that would seem cheesy and implausible in a different show, but that's why the West Wing is so great.
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Oct 11, 2011 04:02
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CelestialScribe posted:I really don't get the big deal about that. In the context of the show it's obviously some big in-joke and they're just celebrating and enjoying it. Yet everyone seems to have this really weird reaction to it. Two Cathedrals blew me away the first time I saw it, second time too probably, but after that the cheesiness, the pomp, the latin, the storm, the Dire Straits, it all starts to tip the scale towards the ridiculous. It's not in my must-watch episodes at all anymore. The third season finale is set against a big bombastic opera scene, but it's underplayed and the drama is slow-burning. It's watching the dark side come in, rather than Bartlett just being a perfect godlike Super-president again. Much prefer it. Hoops fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Oct 17, 2011 |
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Oct 17, 2011 00:39
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shelper posted:I'm in the first five minutes of Bad Moon Rising and i just now noticed. And I just checked and "Bad Moon Rising" is the first episode with Babbish, so if you've just watched it and don't know, then he took early retirement in Mandyville.
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Oct 22, 2011 17:06
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shelper posted:There was a brief conversation along the lines of
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Oct 22, 2011 18:08
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brylcreem posted:I'm watching the pilot again:
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Oct 22, 2011 23:26
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BklynBruzer posted:Character name is actually Laurie, I think.
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Oct 23, 2011 01:08
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I think this came up a few weeks ago in this thread, it was just a write-around. No need to conjure up new background canon.
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Dec 18, 2011 03:28
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Looks much more like a film trailer to me.
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Apr 3, 2012 21:57
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Definitely start at the pilot. Season 1 seems really preachy to my eyes now (and has a really odd colour palette), but the pilot definitely makes an impact and gives you the show's "flavour". Everyone I've lent the DVDs to has burned through the first season in days. The West Wing is a relatively good example of a show that isn't a slow burner but still has great payoffs for story arcs. Most episodes are enjoyable on their own, but become more enjoyable once you're watching them in order.
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Apr 3, 2012 23:19
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Wait for Joshua Malina to show up at some point too. I can never tell if he's a really great actor or a really limited one.
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Apr 3, 2012 23:22
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I have no idea how you all remember the allusory names of the episodes in a 7-season serial. I've got google open with "....... west wing episode" just so I can follow this conversation.
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Apr 19, 2012 19:20
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TheBigBad posted:Yeah tolerance isnt a virtue we should be promoting on television. Aaron Sorkin came out and said the script was a serious rush-job, it's not up to the standards of the rest of the series and it shows.
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Apr 19, 2012 22:15
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El Grillo posted:Was Richard Schiff in anything else decent? Toby was always my favourite, and from everything you read it's obvious he had a big affect on how the character pans out.
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Apr 20, 2012 16:18
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Rums posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2RSK7oZnko&hd=1 Or it shouldn't and there's no problem. But then in any situation where the President is put under emergency general anaesthetic, which has happened in the real world, the Vice President's authority is murky at best. This situation would happen whether Bartlett had MS or not. Toby's saying "you had an attack that time, but a time previously when you were shot (and your MS wasn't the issue) there was no signed letter". He's talking about two different situations and no I longer see what his point is there. If someone asked why the letter was in a file someplace, the answer is "in case something happens to the President". It's not a problem. That letter probably exists in the real world for just such an emergency, it's not an admission of life-threatening illness and voter fraud. I've never had a problem with this scene before and I've seen it half a dozen times, someone explain to me what mistake I've made with this logic. [edit] I understand what he's saying about betting Leo was in charge rather than Hoynes, an why he's outraged at that, but the letter argument itself doesn't make sense. Hoops fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Apr 24, 2012 02:07
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I bet Tommy Schlamme hates it when the walk and talk is credited as an Aaron Sorkin thing.
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Apr 27, 2012 04:03
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Josh: I serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States.
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May 4, 2012 21:01
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JerkyBunion posted:There are multiple Deputy COS' in the Obama administration. Their actual job titles are quite loose in the WW, they change a lot to serve the plot. CJ is the press secretary, she would take much more instruction from the Director of Communications, but it's never presented that way. Toby basically does the same job as Josh in the show, other than every so often a plot point about script writing comes up. Josh is basically the deputy CoS for plicy, Toby is the deputy CoS for communications. Sam is the same, a deputy communications director would have nothing to do with half the meetings he ends up having.
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May 5, 2012 19:39
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My old job stocks Schweppes bitter lemon, I used to sell it all the time. It's lemony tonic water, it's gross.
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May 17, 2012 00:42
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The SARS Volta posted:Has Moira Kelly ever publicly offered her thoughts about that, anyway?
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Jun 7, 2012 20:23
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Kloaked00 posted:Also, gently caress the French boyfriend. I'm with Jed on that one
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Jul 2, 2012 02:04
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DominoDancing posted:Don't worry, I'm pretty sure it's not possible to dislike Two Cathedrals.
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Jul 12, 2012 18:59
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Ainsley: Mr. Tribbey? I'd like to do well on this, my first assignment. Any advice you could give me that might point me the way of success would be, by me, appreciated.
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Jul 28, 2012 14:39
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I've watched the West Wing all the way through atleast 5 times. I've probably seen every episode of season 3 eight or nine times. The West Wing is my favourite television show ever and it's not even close. But it isn't perfect, and some of the lines steer too far into showing off instead of having a purpose and place in the scene. I adore 95% of the dialogue in the show, but that iambic pentameter line is just Sorkin high-fiving himself. He decided he wanted to include some reference to poetic metre in the dialogue, then wrote a line in that metre and then wrote the response. When the line makes you think "that was written because the writer wanted to talk about iambic pentameter" rather than "Ainsley is a bit flustered and Tribbey is really smart, these characters are awesome", then it's not successful. Bartlett says a ton of stuff that's too smart for its own good but it never takes me out of the show and makes me think about someone actually crafting the script.
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Hey, guess what? When I watch that, I think "Ainsley is a bit flustered and Tribbey is really smart, these characters are awesome." Caufman posted:That's a valid reaction and one that understandably would frustrate you when watching The West Wing, but don't use "you" when you mean "me" because I have never had that reaction. quote:Even further, if I could remember those moments, I'd be ashamed of them as I am about other things I do not want to be a part of my identity.
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Jul 29, 2012 15:16
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Mu Zeta posted:I never felt Dule Hill (Charlie) could keep up with Sorkin's dialogue. He's much better and more convincing in Psych.
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Jul 30, 2012 00:00
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Aug 1, 2012 03:49
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fuf posted:Can someone quickly explain why John Goodman took over as president instead of the vice president? I started rewatching at the start of season 5 and can't remember the end of season 4. That's also why there is a new speaker who causes all the Shutdown stuff. Really great continuity plot threading in the WW. Although that reminds me of another scene I don't like. When Walken does his little speech about Archduke Franz Ferdinand and the Black Hand, as though he's an impressive political history scholar. He's talking to the senior staff of the President of the United States, high schoolers know what caused WW1. Same with explaining why he had to resign. Everyone in the room works at the highest level of government. I know it's for the audience and you have to forgive it slightly, but the WW is usually so great at getting that kind of information across without an exposition hammer. Is Donna in that scene? I can't remember. She's usually the audience proxy. Hoops fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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I have never once understood skipping parts of a serial in any medium. People on the internet always talk about skipping chapters in books and stuff. It baffles me, other than the 9/11 episode there isn't a single self-contained episode in the entire show. Skipping stuff on re-watches is completely understandable, but why would you willfully ignore parts of the story?
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Sep 20, 2012 15:09
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Looking back, the 9/11 episode is probably preaching to the choir a bit for the West Wing audience. But that was a very intense period in history with a lot of reactionary, hostile sentiment going round so it was probably a good thing to put that kind of message out there in the media. Now time has passed and things have calmed down it's the most skippable episode in the series though.
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Dec 31, 2012 00:28
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Xeno posted:Season 1 first watch completed in two days.
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Dec 31, 2012 19:38
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Early West Wing is a bit clumsy with race stuff, but I think we all forget that attitudes can change in a relatively short space of time, and what was on-point/relevant/progressive in 1999 is actually fairly different to standards now.
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Jan 30, 2013 23:03
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myron cope posted:Does Greg Brock drop his Zip disk (lol) with the Hoynes article in CJs office on purpose? It looks like it, but...why?
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Mar 22, 2013 04:06
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The West Wing wiki has Reagan - Newman - Lassiter - Bartlett. The episode with the former presidents is S5E10, "The Stormy Present", if anyone wants to check it out and confirm.
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Apr 29, 2013 17:56
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It's 100% supposed to be a lesbian gag. I've never heard the Bruno theory, it's just shipping.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:16
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Slashrat posted:I imagine that the swearing in was unique to Walken since up to that point, he had been sitting in an entirely different branch of the government. Then they have that big "you're relieved, Mr. President." line to show that he's taking charge and he's the boss now, but then undercut by having Leo say it to Bartlett straight after. Definitely a great episode, and I still love the scene overall, but those sections annoy me every time.
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Jul 30, 2013 11:44
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withak posted:Part of the change early on may be that Bartlett was originally intended to be kind of a side character. Then Martin Sheen went over really well with audiences so they decided to write him in more.
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Asiina posted:It also had Rob Lowe saying that he turned it on one time after he left and immediately turned it off...but then wanted to come back for the end. So you didn't watch it when Sorkin left, but wanted to be part of it again?
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Slashrat posted:He remembered the name of every staffer and assistant, including Ed and Larry, in the west wing just fine on his last day in office, even though in E&L's case he'd gotten them mixed up before.
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