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PunkBoy posted:My first was X and it still remains my favorite. I think it shaped how I feel about the series since I tend to enjoy the newer ones more than the older ones I have played. This is because the newer ones tend to be better games and people have inflated opinions of the older FFs because of nostalgia 
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Honestly I hope it's just the vanilla version because I do not want to play blitzball or grind the monster arena for like 40 hours.
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May 15, 2012 17:54
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I don't see why they don't just cut out the middle man and just introduce a giant belt buckle as a character.
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May 17, 2012 15:40
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Mrs. Badcrumble posted:It's not that I want less customization, it's that I want less of what FFXIII and FFXIII-2 had where every supposedly top-tier weapon feels terribly hobbled in some way compared to each of the others. That's good game balance though. Tradeoffs and exploiting strengths/covering weaknesses is what keeps things interesting.
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May 25, 2012 13:43
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Mrs. Badcrumble posted:If you like good game balance then get the gently caress out of the final fantasy thread because the entire point of the series is to find ways utterly break the gameplay. I think I finally understand all the hate for FF13.
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May 25, 2012 20:03
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precision posted:Pretty much how I look at it. It's pretty fun to play, but the story feels like a dream you have after eating a burrito at 3AM on top of a 12-pack of beer before passing out on your own couch. I combine those things all the time and my dreams are still more coherent than FF8.
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May 27, 2012 18:31
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ImpAtom posted:I wonder if there is any other game out there that people misremember as badly as FF7. We tried popping in Goldeneye for N64 recently and that game did not age well at all.
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Aug 31, 2012 17:15
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The White Dragon posted:And all the while so incredibly bland that while nobody outright hates her like we all do Squall, nobody actually likes her either because unlike Cloud, there isn't actually anything there to like except polygonal asscheeks if that's your thing. Japan thinks Lightning is the best character in FF13. Japan also thinks Hope is the 2nd best character in FF13, so don't take their opinion to seriously.
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Sep 1, 2012 19:42
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I actually like linearity. Fighting 3 unnecessary battles because you ran into a dead end in a dungeon is not depth. Having to talk to somebody's cat in the basement of nondescript house #4 of boring NPC town in order to advance the plot is not interesting/rewarding. Basically I don't care for a lot of JRPG fluff and I like how FF13 streamlined everything.
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Dec 3, 2012 23:27
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Eggie posted:I was going for 100% trophies for FF13, but fighting Adamantoise after Adamantortoise after Adamantoise for Platinum Ingots and Trapezehedrons does not sound like a lot of fun. I'll quit where I am and say that once again I enjoyed this game. It isn't bad at all. Since Turtles are the best source for both CP and cash, if you didn't grind too much CP somewhere else, you'll finish the crystarium trophy at about the same time you have enough cash for the items trophy. Keep in mind you only need to have held every item - you can sell poo poo you already own to go towards making more weapons. Personally I enjoy turtle fights; its fun learning how to beat them at all then consistently and finally how to optimize your times, and they can still kill you even at full CP. I found FF13's endgame farm (and pacing in general) far less tedious than pretty much any other entry in the series.
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Aureon posted:The only thing constant about any new final fantasy is that people will bitch about it, and the bitching scales exponentially with the number of previous FFs they played. there will also be good music
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Dec 18, 2012 22:13
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Crossdressing Cloud is the best female FF character 
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Dec 19, 2012 23:04
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Dumb costumes are basically a franchise staple at this point, light's outfit is perfectly in line with expectations.
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Dec 20, 2012 16:00
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If you want your battles to go faster, you manually cast lightning with your ravager (elemental weaknesses all being the same) because the spell is noticeably faster due to lightning bolts being faster than whatever projectiles the other spells sendout.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:-There is an optional cutscene that shows how Vincent turned into a weird monster thing. Hojo experimented on him and did it, basically. Vincent loved a woman called Lucretia but she married Professor Hojo and had his kid. Hojo decided to experiment on his kid by injecting his pregnant wife with Jenova cells. Sephiroth is the son of the woman Vincent loved and Hojo. It's a pretty big deal especially because Sephiroth goes insane and kills everyone because he thinks he is an alien!! My favorite is when angry nerds whine about how the plot in FF13 prevented them from enjoying the game because of their lofty expectations for anime stories and then you ask then what a good FF plot is and they say FF7.
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Jan 20, 2013 18:44
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Mega64 posted:Doesn't it take a lot of grinding to get to that point in FFX, though? Your characters are going to be distinct for a long time besides maybe Kihmari taking a similar path to some other character. Yes. It's completely normal to complete all the optional content at least in FFX vanilla while still maintaining yuna/lulu as casters, tidus/auron/wakka as heavy hitters, etc. You need to make a conscious effort to force lulu through all the +STR spheres or auron through all the +MAG spheres. Only if you do a huge amount of grinding for grindings sake to approach the characters becoming homogeneous, and even then each has unique equips and overdrives that theres still lots of strategy in switching them out. Never played FFX Intl though (still waiting for FFX HD).
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Jan 31, 2013 22:15
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Ineffiable posted:So I'm sure we all know about FFX and FFX-2 HD collection, but I'm curious about the international stuff. The optional superboss is penance. Essentially max stats, playing blitzball to get wakka's ultimate weapon, and learning the timing for his slots overdrive are mandatory. There's also a new sphere grid. Do we know for sure if it's the international version? Part of me sort of hopes it's just the NA version because I'm OCD about trophies and I'm really dreading the grind to prep and fight penance
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ImpAtom posted:You can use Yojimbo to oneshot Penance IIRC. Good call I had totally forgotten about that. I hate that as a mechanic (grinding a hidden affection meter to raise RNG chances) but it sounds like it might be less annoying than the max stats + blitzball + learning attack reels timing + perfect armor grind.
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Mar 25, 2013 14:17
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:How the gently caress do you miss a sales target by 3% and then your return on sales drops from 2% to -9%? That's not "primarily due to slow sales of major console game titles in North American and European markets" at all. I'd like to see a breakdown of this because it makes no sense Square is a publicly traded company so all their financials are completely transparent. Sales are only one factor in "return on sales" - there are also fixed & operating costs to consider, so it is quite common for a restatement to yield different deltas to the "sales" and "return on sales" line items. In the statements you're quoting - you can see that sales have decreased by 5M yen, but they've adjusted their operating income downward by 13.5M! You're right that it's not "primarily due to slow sales of major console game titles in North American and European markets". In those FS you're quoting, Item #2 "extraordinary loss" indicates restructuring costs being the primary driver behind the losses, not market conditions (which taken in isolation would only yield a 3% difference from forecasts). quote:In view of the rapidly changing environment of the game businesses, the Company has decided to implement major reforms and restructuring in its development policy, organizational structure, some business models, and others. The Company expects to incur loss of approximately ¥10 billion from such restructuring efforts to be recognized as extraordinary loss about loss from restructuring in the settlement of the account for its fiscal year ending March 31, 2013 So it wasn't unrealistic sales targets yielding bad results, but an unexpected group restructuring that wasn't in the company's forecasts to begin with. I'm pretty lazy but I'm sure that a further breakdown of each of the restructuring costs is publicly available somewhere.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'm probably reading this incorrectly; does that say that squaire lost 13 billion yen? Meaning they are in the hole something like 137 million USD, rather than a projected revenue of a few million? Short answer yes (with the caveat that the company almost met its revenue goals, but not its income goals) long answer which is sort of a derail and will bore the thread You want to look at the operating income line, not the net income line. Net income includes interest, amortization...items that the company doesn't really have any control over during a fiscal year. Operating income still shows a loss; however the trouble is overstated, since it includes a 10 billion yen one time cost of restructuring. The company makes 150B/year so a one-off of 10B will easily be financed over the course of a few years. Now the business reason behind the extraordinary cost is concerning (the notes indicate that 4B of it is disposal, which is oftena euphemism for employee severance), but probably won't hit the company's revenue line for a few quarters since probably a lot of the initial pipeline has already been ironed out
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Proto Cloud posted:So, I want an honest answer here. It's been almost a decade since I picked up a legitimate FF game and I've been wanting to come back in and try something out since I just played Theatrhythm. You're going to get a lot of polarized opinions. FF13 is a JRPG without any of the fluff - no minigames, no towns, no talking to random NPC of nondescript house in some town to unlock the super secret sidequest for your ultimate weapon. If you like savescumming rare spawns for superrare drops, or smacking illusory walls at dead ends in dungeons to find hidden chests then you will hate FF13. If you like: fast paced rewarding battle system good music and don't mind linearity anime voice acting poo poo characterization & story (even for an FF) then FF13 will be perfect for you. IMO it's the best battle system in the series by a huge margin so there's that to consider. You won't like the battle system if you like mashing attack and potion though. Fight Club Sandwich fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 1, 2013 |
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gredgie posted:"Tee-dus or Tie-dus?" was my eternal pondering through FFX. Kingdom Hearts Wakka pronounces it "Tee-dus" but I don't consider that game canon so I usually pronounce it "Jecht's gay son"
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Endorph posted:I don't get it, what makes you think Tidus is gay? His flamboyant outfit, his pretty hair, he emotes a lot...a protagonist should be manlier, like Rock Hudson.
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Endorph posted:Oh, so you're homophobic and tied up in really hosed up views of masculinity, good to know. http://homohistory.blogspot.ca/2013/01/rock-hudson-gay-icon.html
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Basically this, except I'd count maybe Tactics as well. it's be I like DQ8 but its pacing is really really terrible, enough for me to prefer a lot of other square games to it.
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Just started 13-2. Are there any cutscenes actually worth watching or should I skip them all? In 13 for example the game looks gorgeous but the story is dumb as hell, so I'd watch the introduction to Pulse and the racetrack but skip everything else.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I know we got on this discussion by saying "Every FF has a poo poo story whatever" but I heavily disagree. The gameplay in these games simply isn't good enough most of the time to justify completely skipping entire cutscenes, the story has to at least be entertaining if not a masterpiece of writing. I thought FFX had an entertaining story, I remember playing through it while other friends were too and getting to school and discussing things like SIN IS TIDUS DAD HOLY poo poo. Plus as far as I know it was the only FF to actually have a straight up bittersweet ending, after a lot of the previous ones teased it. I think FF7, FF8, FF9 all had an ending you were supposed to believe was unhappy but ~it all works out in the end~, the FFX one was something pretty bold at the time. Different strokes bro. I guess my standard for gameplay is low enough that I don't mind FF combat divorced from horrible anime stories. And your standard for writing is low enough that FF cutscenes enrich what would otherwise be very shallow gameplay. Fight Club Sandwich fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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Any tips on getting the casino-based fragments in 13-2? I left slots on autoplay overnight and when I came back all my coins were gone and no fragments.
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NikkolasKing posted:XII fans and XIII fans always seem so opposed to each other. This might be "every game is the worst game in the series" fandom but these two in particular just never get along. I guess it's because XIII was obviously trying to be the complete opposite of XII in both gameplay and story. I like them both. FF13 has the best combat and pacing and FF12 has the least  story and while the engine/pacing aren't by themselves great a player can make the game fun by sequence breaking or doing silly challenges.I'm of the opinion that the FFs generally get better with each release except for 13-2 which was square's fault for listening to its terrible, terrible fans.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:That would mean 13 is the best game in the Final Fantasy franchise. Nothing else to add just gonna let that sentence sit there and fester. I guess it is  I'll take "skip cutscene" functionality over a horrible FF story any day, and I don't find corridors to be any less fun than say looking up in a guide which random NPCs in which nondescript house I need to talk to. if you think there's pacing problems or don't like the combat system i guess agree to disagree. CottonWolf posted:B-b-b-but XIII-2 was an improvement on XIII's combat, wasn't it? Yes and no. The engine mechanics were slightly improved yes, but the combat in 13-2 was less fun than its predecessor (for me anyway) since the nonlinearity led to huge pacing problems and basically no challenging enemies or fun fights. I made it to episode 5 without leveling up my 3rd party member.
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Krad posted:No one cares about the plot in Souls, it's all about the gameplay. People actually want both gameplay and story out of their FF's. Further, Dark Souls doesn't have any explicit plot, and its hidden plot more or less holds up. FF13's dialogue and cutscenes are horrible anime drivel, I don't know how bad its secret plot is but it must be putrid if even Square decided it wasn't good enough to put in the main game.
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FF13 was a corridor and so the enemy difficulty was paced exquisitely (for an ff) and if you didnt understand the stagger/buff/debuff system by the time you fought the first spacepope you were hosed. a lot of bosses and regular encounters from spacepope through the end of the game are genuinely challenging (and fun). FF13-2 is the exact opposite of a corridor and so SE has no idea when you'll run into any enemies, and the elegant solution they devised was "make every encounter trivial regardless of party strength". it's pacing is a mess, and i was able to get through chapter 5 without ever changing my paradigm pack or levelling up my monsters.
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MrAristocrates posted:Oh, IZJS gets rid of the Zodiac Spear bullshit? That's good, thought I hosed myself out of it earlier in this run. Fleeing through the Necrohol to get the Zodiac Spear dozens of hours/levels before your characters have any right being in that area is probably the most exciting gameplay aspect in any FF. Shame if they took that out.
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I'M BASCH VON RONSENBERG, OF DALMASCA
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Best song in FFX by a country mile
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Aug 23, 2013 22:55
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Sex_Ferguson posted:The story's gonna be bad, but FF isn't really the golden standard for story-telling. The gameplay is where the game is going to shine and I really can't wait for that, it looks like they've finally made the action game they seem like they wanted to make from the start. Agreed the story being terrible shouldn't concern anyone. However, the gameplay in 13-2 was a step back from its predecessor IMO and the interview compared the new game to a combination of skyrim and kingdom hearts which is uh not what i want to play.
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"FF13 is about mashing auto battle" "FF13 battles take too long" do you maybe see a connection
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ImpAtom posted:I think there are a couple fights the defensive shrouds are necessary for so that you can survive an attack or two that would otherwise oneshot a guy, but you might be able to do it without them if the enemy AI plays nice enough to let you buff before pushing your face in. The shrouds are the safer option. These kinds of runs are always interesting. What do you mean buff? How can you buff your characters when you're "level 1" and have no abilities?
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Oxxidation posted:Reminds me of that one bit of FFXIII apologism that said it was just as linear as any other JRPG, only without the adornments. "nonlinear" just means wander around aimlessly or look up where to go on gamefaqs, i prefer linear games.
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Defiance Industries posted:Why don't you tell us next how giving players agency makes it hard for them to experience a "compelling narrative" like FF13 has, Toriyama? I was talking about gameplay not narrative, but sorry if ff13 hasn't lived up to your lofty expectations of gay anime rape or anime time compression. You might want to check out the story for 13-2 though since there's more agency there
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