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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Since the euro displacement tangent sprung up again, let me tell you the tales and wonders of the beatiful world of Italian car ownership. You pay an ownership tax based on the power AND the euro emission class. If you have an engine with more than 185 kW (252 HP) you pay 20€ for each kW extra after 185. You pay your insurance based on a matrix of values (sex, age, city, years since the last accident, safety equipment installed on the vehicle and displacement) where the second most important is displacement(the main one is age, until 30 yrs old you get classified as hormone fuelled teenager and you get hosed by the insurance rates). The third tax package is on fuels, i'll let you take a look at our madness in this wiki article https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accisa_sui_carburanti just to let that sink in, yes we are still paying taxes motivated to cover the war expenses for the ethiopian colony wars in the 1935-36(but to avoid looking like idiots we officially unified the 12 motivations into a unified tax package in 1995).

We had a lot of other clever ideas over the years with engine restrictions, we had a "supertax" back in the petrol crisis years where you got an hefty extra tax if you got more than 2l displacement so you had even maseratis, ferraris, lamborghinis and so on with itty bitty engines in order to avoid paying the tax. We recently introduced a learner license limit so that new drivers cannot drive a car with a engine power over 70kW and a power to weight ratio better than 55kW per ton making a lot of families unable to let their kid use the family car(most fiats were too powerful for their weight so they had to create a depowered variant of the 1.2l fire engine for the punto and the panda to avoid being cut from their golden goose of families buying the first car for their kids).

Just to give you an example, my old Suzuki swift 4x4, with a tiny euro4 petrol engine and 67kw costs me 173€/year in ownership taxes alone(insurance is a cool 5 hundo and I have passed my thirties since quite a while :smith: ).

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Aug 25, 2018

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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Lancias 8:32 are infamous in mechanical reliability even by italian standards, the ferrari engine requires very skilled specialist mainteinance to avoid grenading and the gearbox is fragile. The lancia part (interior and exterior design) is absolutely stunning but imho a standard thema from a good owner will provide most of the 8:32 experience without the engine gremlins. But if you feel daring the price is not that high https://www.autoscout24.it/annunci/lancia-thema-lancia-ferrari-8-32-benzina-rosso-1830b6de-f01a-46aa-8f02-6c206ae1bf03?cldtidx=6

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Sep 26, 2018

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Yakuza minigames relies on a different type of car, made from tamiya, called mini4wd. The difference is that the battery is contained in the car and relies on a set of springs and pusher bars at the ends to keep in the lane while a slot car gets the power from the rail and relyies on the slot to keep itself in the lane. :spergin:

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Mar 22, 2019

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

KillHour posted:

Why don't any cars have doors like this? They're perfect.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_1007

Please ignore the kitchenaid engine strapped to a heavy auto, making it slower than a moped.

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 15:21 on May 11, 2019

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Lord Stimperor posted:

Eh I mean it's not exactly something that you'd hang a poster of above your bed.

But lots of people drive these, and Opel Agila, Citroen C1, VW Ups, Toyota Aygos... They're small cars that offer a ton of practicality for olds and city people

And because they're small and light, they can also feel real zippy and be a bunch of fun

You're just not gonna impress your mustached Boomer father in law



At my work someone has a micro car with a bull bar. I have a photo but I don't wanna fix them and me

Keep in mind that a 1007 weighs about 1.1-1.2 tons, compared to the 900 kg of the C1/107/Aygo. It was slow as balls on a manual and worse on the auto. Some car mag at the time calculated that the sliding door system was about 200-250 kgs extra weight on its own. At least in italy, 1007 are more rare on the road(peugeot reliability notwitstanding) than detomasos or zondas, i honestly have seen more renault velsatis or avantime if we want to compare weird french cars spottings. I don't think there is any car mag review of the 1007 that was overwhelmingly positive, mostly neutral to bad, the best review i remember was pretty much "good for tiny parking lots, if you don't mind going slow". It was expensive as hell too, being the top of the range at the time, if i remember correctly it was sold in the same price range as a mini

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 12, 2019

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Drive makes it look like it's the first time but lambo gifted pretty much every baby model, starting from the Gallardo, to the stradale and emergency organ transport was he sole possible way to justify keeping it in the fleet without a public pushback from the maintenance costs.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Bape Culture posted:

Why don’t they use a helicopter for urgent organ transfers? I mean I get that it’s all PR. But seems weird

Helipads on italian hospitals are scarce, only on the biggest metropolitan sites. Even then noise and traffic means that hypotetically the lambo, hauling rear end on a highway giving zero fucks about speed limits, would be able to cover more patients rather than having to airlift the organs and/or the patient to an helipad equipped hospital.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Bape Culture posted:

Is there anywhere to watch it?

Eurosport should provide at least daily session coverage and given the general lack of content, they might replace some of their perennial snooker reruns with live events.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
As per my Eurosport player next rally raid events list (CET times)

31/12/20 E1 1545-1615
02/01/21 E1 2300-2330
03/01/21 E1 0830-0900

They are doing daily recaps like last year

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Dec 30, 2020

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

wesleywillis posted:

This 'dakkar' rally, is it the same thing as the Paris to dakkar rally? I know I could look it up in like 5 seconds but in a lazy pile of poo poo.

Correct, due to several African countries geopolitical status going to poo poo, the race have been relocated multiple times, ending with the current predicament of “everything in Saudi Arabia” while maintaining the original name.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
It looks like loeb is out, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a result as lovely as this from him. I do wonder if the tires restrictions were the culprit or just shoddy engineering from prodrive.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

The weirdest thing is that Loeb has been changing wheels or suspension arms in the desert at least once every stint while Roma didn't (or at least wasn't shown in the Dakar recaps on eurosport1). Maybe he couldn't guess the limits of the car and destroyed it in the process?

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Humphreys posted:

Oh wow that looks like a blast!

That seems a hoot, I have a couple stretches of roads like that in my town which I honestly dread going to(and are two ways). You can see the walls at every road restriction point missing bricks at side mirrors height

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Humphreys posted:

And going from wide bois to long bois...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mPmCDS66Qc
Every time I see that name the first thing I think about is Kaijus not cars :coal:

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
I wanted to point out that Edd China now has a proper patreon for his youtube channel

He has started a kinda of binky-like format where he fixes some cars or makes weird projects like a mercedes sprinter electric conversion with a leaf drivetrain
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1kPAxOddPS_OyniophdZIRP2uuXCD8V-

Unlike binky you can see he has most of his kit from sponsors and tends to prominently show the brands(that might offends some but the alternative is nothing so :shrug:).

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjZmSv1s71k

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

KozmoNaut posted:

Or a 300+HP anything? No, I think there should be additional training and at least some requirement to show that you understand what you're doing. The merit of having such powerful vehicles on public roads can of course also be debated, for various use cases, a 300HP truck is obviously going to be different from a 300HP sports car.

I fully understand the argument that having a car is mandatory in many places, and you're screwed without it. But that need should be covered by an ordinary econobox or basic sedan or maybe a CUV or medium SUV, outside of some specific circumstances. It doesn't have to cover muscle cars etc.

Coming back to your example, I think the standard license in the US allows for way too big and heavy vehicles. I'm glad there's a 3500kg gross weight limit for car licenses here, and anything heavier must have a speed limiter, plus of course you must take a license specifically for large vehicles.

For as much flak as tiered motorcycle licensing has gotten in the EU, making sure that a freshly-licensed 18yo can't just go straight out and ride a literbike seems very sensible to me.

In Italy you are forbidden to purchase or drive any car if it exceeds a KW/wet weight ratio than 55 and a KW value of 70 for the first year of your driving license.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

McTinkerson posted:

But it does have a bench seat for 3 and all the controls that would normally be in the center are to the left of the driver. :wiggle:

Edit: For the Vector WX, not the W8.

You cannot talk about a vector interior and not post it

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

mobby_6kl posted:

Why are there three burners on that stove? I assume it's Italian but still how much pasta do you need to cook.

A standard gas burner for external use in Italy for that small size has three units with a weaker middle one and two full power at the sides. The scale makes it look immense but it’s relatively tiny



The camper area should be less than 1,7m in length

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Raluek posted:

how do you, uh, sleep in it, then? it doesn't look like there's room to go diagonal

Very carefully (or you will turn up the gas and burn alive)

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Phy posted:

The car that goes with those getups


That’s Japanese spider man tho

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Godzilla07 posted:

I didn't expect these 2 cars, which are definitely Wrong Thread, to show up next to each other in Rome, Italy. Holy poo poo do the Italians love the Jeep Renegade.



Funnily enough, it’s one of the most stolen car since the fca locks/immobilizer are trivial to pick/elude. One colleague is buying one and every dealer told him to get the biggest/most comprehensive insurance package he can afford on it.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Phy posted:

Did Toyota's Initial D ads for the GR86 get posted here already?

E: my old computer had issues playing 2d poo poo fast enough, and trying to watch Redline in 1080p on it was more of a slideshow

Redline had a very high bitrate blu-ray release in a lot of locales to the point that some low end blu-ray players would crash while playing. It’s a shame that there is no uhd releases of it.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Olympic Mathlete posted:

You're not selling electric cars to me by putting it up against something that looks and sounds this good.

https://twitter.com/RaceOfChampions/status/1490301015463059460?s=20&t=LvjBOMEmOiISPoUCkx8klw

I don’t know why motorsport insists on considering fuel cell cars to be the future, every racing prototype is either sluggish or has worse range than battery electric

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Powershift posted:

Probably because they can be quickly refueled.

Toyota hydrogen endurance race last year had their pit stops be double the duration(and half the range) of a standard petrol racer. I think that the nio ep9 with the side removable batteries could be pitted faster than their hydrogen car with a decent pit crew.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

I dont think motorsport actually does insist on fuel cell future, it's more EV race cars in some situations have problems that cant as yet be overcome plus more importantly some high profile car manufactuers / suppliers have taken huge bets on hydrogen that they are wanting to see return on and trying to make fuel cell / hydrogen be an actual thing.

TBH I think most motorsports are more less expecting either alcohols / synth fuel with or without hybrids to take over for longer events and EV's to keep proving they are becoming next to unbeatable in stuff like hillclimbs and lap sprints

ACO(lemans) has gone thru the effort of setting up a whole class with standardized parts for fuel cells and so on to be raced in 2024. They expect their flagship lmp vehicles to be gone while these become the norm. Total is pulling every string they can to have hydrogen classes or special vehicles in french-aligned motorsports(like this years hydrogen truck which had a lot of press on it)

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Official Aprilia ECU tools were a GBA cart plus harness for a while too, from what I recon the cart specifics and gba sdk was cheap enough that doing custom pda for those tools was more onerous in comparison

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Darchangel posted:

"Video unavailable
The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

Apparently a regional c***

Episode 7 of season 2 of grand tour, you can find most of it, region unlocked, on the grand tour youtube.

Clarkson is at his best when doing those docudramas, like the one he did for the dambusters.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

BigPaddy posted:

In before Elon Musk says SpaceX is building a craft to fly into the sun and collect hydrogen to bring back to Earth.

It wouldn't be out of character at all, hope we get some head start before we stop having a sun.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

LimaBiker posted:

The Citroen Ami (and its Opel cousin) are indeed not considered cars.
In the Netherlands the class has to be limited to a top speed of 45km/h, but can be driven by 16 year olds on a moped license (which only takes like 3 hours to get, versus 30ish hours for a car license).
In France it is a 'Voiture sans permis' and i don't know the french rules.

The ami is like 14.000 euro which is about as much as the cheapest 'normal' cars available. It's a stupid amount of money but they will probably sell somewhat okay in cities where infrastructure is car centered but a small car still benefits you.

There's a small number of comparable vehicles like the Biro in Amsterdam, but Amsterdam is bicycle centered and you aren't allowed to drive those notcars on cycle paths. And that means your travel time is just as long as when using an actual car because you can neither pass lines of cars on the cycle path, nor can you filter like on a motorcycle or moped.

A few corrections, it’s a 50cc equivalent quadricicle so it’s 14 years and up, also the official listing is 8-9k€ but it’s mostly provided as a car-as-service with a stupid cheap sub(less than public transit).

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

LimaBiker posted:

I'm talking about the situation in the Netherlands, where it is a 'brommobiel', and you have to be 16 to drive it.

You're right about the price though, it is considerably cheaper than i thought.

I was talking about the sole market where the ami is sold, France. Just to provide perspective to non euros.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

LimaBiker posted:

The Ami is not only solely sold in France. Opel is currently aggressively advertising the opel variant of it on social media, and i've also seen at least one of the Citroën branded ones in the UK.

Citroen UK is not officially selling it (source https://www.citroen.co.uk/models/future-models/ami.html where you can reserve rather than purchase). I didn't know about the opel variant, which from what i can muster is german only(but should be covered by the basic moped driving license you can get at 15).

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

mobby_6kl posted:

Yeah I remember Car Throttle doing a video on it a while ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hScjggOSAUU

Would it be sold as a Vauxhall in the UK? That is if they bothered sellign two versions

Car throttle and jonny smith videos had a french registration plate(and jonny smith explicitly told multiple times about the car not being for sale in the uk). I remember the massive schuko to uk plug adapter making it impossible to stow the cables away.

It wouldn't be surprising to have a citroen and vauxhall(instead of opel) sold simultaneously but afaik only citroen committed to sell in the uk.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Finger Prince posted:

It's almost, kinda, sorta, like they passed on the design and then the Fiat coupe came out a couple of years later.

Barchetta, the couple is very different from that design.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Finger Prince posted:

There was a 24 hour endurance race that finished today, in case you missed it. It was pretty great being back after a couple of years.




I am thinking about going next year with all those new hypercars in the field, do you have any suggestions for a first time goer?

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Finger Prince posted:

I do, but I am far too wasted rn to summarize. I will endeavour to help in the coming days. Next year is going to be epic. 100 year anniversary. Tickets are released in Jan or Feb, so definely jump on them asap. Grandstands are unnecessary, but maybe nice for a first timer. Camp sites fill up fast. When I'm in better shape I'll try posting a thread.

Thanks much appreciated, I hope to go to Monza next month to see the new Peugeot in action but that's just a few train stops from here, not the big trip that LeMans is going to be.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

BraveUlysses posted:

watch how late or little this driver brakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM6fMzF9Qhk

Misha knows the ring like the back of his hand, I'm not surprised at him going at the limit.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Finger Prince posted:

I saw this today. I have no idea what it is, but I bet it's stupendously expensive.



https://www.ferrari.com/it-IT/auto/monza-sp2

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Fun as it looks, i still prefer the XJ220 R&D mule (xj drivetrain on a transit chassis)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZO7mJ81hRE

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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Was that the one that was on Top Gear/Grand Tour where the eccentric Italian guy admitted some of the buttons on the wheel did nothing, but "if all the buttons worked it would be an Audi :shrug:"?

Correct, S3E12

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