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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Dr. Cogwerks posted:

There was a definite undercurrent that every civilian somehow becomes subservient to the military command structure during a war, and the president is OUR GLORIOUS LEADER in wartime... so it's unpatriotic and anti-American and anti-troops to ever say anything bad about a war once it's going, or before it starts, or anytime really. I think a big part of that is good ol' chickenhawk bluster, trying to act like they're a critical part of the war effort when they're some fat millionaires sitting in a radio booth.

Look, nothing spreads diplomacy during wartime than sex tourism

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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Gazpacho posted:

Remember Rush did the NFL desk for a while then lost the job for talking race. That indicates to me that he's not quite faking and doesn't have much chance of "moving on". Also a guy with that kind of success tends to take on debts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGiTv_xRd5A

Here's what cost him that job.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

It is definitely a solid concept. Especially given how many of these guys started their careers in non-political media, often had aspirations for something else, and then found a spot on the rght-wing gravy train filling in a couple times for some local pundit.

I'm sure Rush loves the money and attention, but after hearing him opine about doing sport-talk over the years, I'm sure he would have been happier making that same money as the worlds premier NFL color commentator. Ironically, he blew his chance commenting on the "color" of a football player.

Beck is an interesting case too. Former morning-zoo shock-jock (shocking enough to make fun of a miscarriage), he latter found (Mormon) Jesus and got national exposure being the official right-winger for CNN. Even his the story of his religious conversion is half-assed. The story goes, his family was shopping for a church because he figured they should be going to a church, and they settled on the LDS they visited because one of his kids liked it. If you listen to his show, he can't seem to help slipping back into the morning-zoo routine. And it becomes quite schizophrenic, as he'll go from laughing and talking back and forth with the other staff, and then slip back into some dire monologue when he seems to remember he's not getting paid for fun and games any more.

On the other end of the spectrum, Cincinnati's most beloved mayor and city councilman was Jerry Springer, who ultimately left to do what he hoped would be a serious and progressive talk-show.

Things didn't work out.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Glitterbomber posted:

Basically the right reads 'war criminal' as 'slandered hero'.

Slandered Hero Allen West.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
To quote Seth Meyers:

"President Obama, if your hair got any whiter, the Tea Party would endorse it."

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

BiggerBoat posted:

the black are the people too poor to live.

Hey, it's the unspoken Republican endgame!

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Keith Olbermann is a weird dude. Weird in both good and bad ways. Good guy overall though.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Also, Dick Cheney shot a guy in the face with buckshot, while hunting flightless birds that were kept in a pen.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

nachos posted:

Do conservatives even like Trump anymore?

Trump is the kind of rich person that stupid people would act like if they were rich.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

The Angry Bum posted:

As for baseball. I worked for MLB at the time when Obama threw the first pitch at the All-Star game. The amount of negative mail and comments that were received by the league was overwhelming. I have to think there are literally thousands of conservatives with their fingers on the send button with pre-made 'hate Obama' tweets ready to go out as soon as he appears on a monitor.

This is pretty much true. When I worked in politics, Tea Partiers would send in racist jokes, songs, videos, email forwards, etc., all demanding that the political candidate send them to everyone on his mailing list. Then, we'd get increasingly angry and panicked emails, many with threats of gun violence, when people realized the candidate would not be passing that poo poo on.

This happened every day. Multiple times a day. For a year. Until I left.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Incorrect Username posted:

I'm interested in hearing more about this. Didn't a politician once send out email to everyone with a picture titles "the new White House" which had watermelons photoshopped all over the front yard? And when called out on it he claimed he never heard about the stereotype and thought it was just an absurd idea?

It happened all around the country in 2010. None of it was surprising to people in politics, because those horrendously offensive emails were sent out, en masse, to every politician in the country. Everyone would get those emails, always with urgent requests to forward it to everyone you know. Most politicians deleted them, and some amazing idiots actually did forward them along.

The problem with that, every time something got sent out, the Tea Partiers sending emails would get reinspired to send over some more, typically the same one that got out. When Carl Paladino (the NY Tea Party candidate for governor) was caught forwarding videos of women loving horses, the Tea Partiers began frantically sending horse-loving emails, because that makes you a real American or some poo poo. Every offensively dumb mistake meant that everyone must double down on that mistake, because of the constitution and America and whatever.

As my candidate refused to forward those emails, or call the citizens of Detroit the n-word (saying that word means you are a patriot standing up for American values, according to Tea Partiers' email spam), the emails got more vicious and nasty. They figured that he wasn't one of them (he wasn't), so he must be a part of the vast conspiracy of everyone out to get rural white people.

Needless to say, was I surprised when Republicans all decided to say stupid poo poo about rape? Of course not! Because when one Tea Partier does something stupid, everyone has to do it out of solidarity to ignorance. The issue of rape, something that has pretty much been decided in this country (it's wrong and evil), suddenly kept coming up as a talking point without any prompting. If a Tea Partier gets criticized, even if it's for something completely appropriate to criticize someone on, everyone else has to join in. Or you aren't a 'real American/Tea Partier/Republican/patriot'.

The Republicans are not going to fix themselves with this attitude. I don't see it getting resolved, because their base is committed to ideological purges over ignorant ideas, and any effort to stop this means that whomever is a RINO.

Bringing it back to the right-wing media, you think the right-wingers that fostered this insular culture will let any leaders emerge to change it? Heck no.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Mercury_Storm posted:

Threats of violence for not passing on their stupid racist memes to everyone on a government mailing list? What the gently caress is wrong with people holy poo poo.

They're Tea Partiers, it's pretty much all they do is threaten and get angry at politicians. What comes out is how they act in public, but when they are emailing politicians, they think they are talking to people like them. So the unfiltered stuff comes out.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Lord Lambeth posted:

That's loving bizzare. It sounds like something a shithead on 4chan would do, not someone who claims to represent traditional values.

Here's another thing - 'traditional values' are wildly offensive and unique to all of them. One person might think that people speaking in proper English and not in some backwoods gibberish is against 'traditional values', while another might think that the only way to protect liberty is by beating any child they come across. Another might think that women wearing pants should be a crime, and yet another might think that all crimes (by certain people) warrant the death penalty. All of those views are idiotic and harmful, and all are in the Tea Party group. But if they disagree on any of that...the person who disagrees isn't a patriot any more! They're traitors! They hate America! They're a secret commusocialist spy!

Sydney Bottocks posted:

It's the "we must hang together, or we will surely hang separately" mentality. By doubling down on whatever lunatic thing one of their members says or does, they think it will present a unified front that will one day sweep them into power over both the executive and legislative branches. Pissing off all but the most delusional of voters doesn't even register as a consideration in their minds.

It's that, but it's also that they can't take any criticism whatsoever, turning anything into another litmus test. If the so-called liberal media makes fun of them for horse-loving videos, and everything the media does is out to get America, then horse-loving videos are what makes this country great. And then, if you're opposed to horse-loving videos, you're a communist who hates America.

It doesn't matter how obvious the issue is, or how obviously wrong they are. If President Obama, any Democrat, any politician they don't like says something for or against anything, they take the opposite side. Even if it's a completely harmless or completely helpful thing.

This is why, fundamentally, the Republicans are unable to stop this crap from happening. There's no unification, because they are too busy looking for more and more litmus tests, and would rather die alone then live in any sort of unity. The party will continue to split amongst itself and alienate anyone outside of it, because these people literally cannot stop what they are doing.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

New Division posted:

The idea that forwarding horse sex videos was seen as a good expression of Tea Party values even briefly cracks me up. Guess Mr. Hands was just a patriot who was ahead of his time.:911:

I'll be honest, even during the summer of 2010 (when the Tea Party was at its peak), I was never remotely afraid of them due to the horse-porn people. There is just no possible way idiots like that could actually get elected to enough positions to do that much harm, and even if they got elected, they'd be booted out after one or less terms. You just can't take any group seriously after that.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
What color was the kid, what color was the driver?

If it were certain answers, those comments sections would be much different.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Guys, let's get back on topic, in the best possible way - Steven Crowder getting punched in the face. Legally, getting punched in the face.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20130318/NEWS01/303180033/

quote:

Dunning’s office said the source of this unedited video was a YouTube posting from The Young Turks, an online news commentary show.

The video criticizes Crowder and Fox News for using the edited video to enflame and slant the situation. According to The Young Turks, Fox News aired Crowder’s unedited footage before opting to repeatedly air the edited clip that went viral.

Dunnings questioned why Crowder didn’t initially provide that original footage to Dunnings’ office.

“I’m not holding that against him, but why would they provide the edited video? The longer video clearly shows the guy got pushed down and came up swinging,” Dunnings said

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Goatman Sacks posted:

Certain species of ducks are very pro-rape.

The Republicans have the elephant, the Democrats have the donkey...and now the Tea Party has the duck.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Mr Interweb posted:

I'm a little conflicted about the Carrie v. Fox News beef.

On the one hand, I loving HATED Bruce Almighty.

On the other hand, Fox News is quite disgusting.

Argh!

Bruce Almighty provides the strongest theological explanation for Buffalo sports from 1967 to present.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
How long until that Rutgers basketball coach ends up at Liberty, Oral Roberts, or another similar school? One year? Two?

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Paul MaudDib posted:

No, he's actually correct that the reason for the taboo on incest is to prevent inbreeding. In many states you can actually marry close relatives if you can demonstrate you are sterile or otherwise unable to reproduce.

What states are these? Confederate ones?

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

I Fought The Mom posted:

Glenn Beck was just on FOX Business saying that he's evolved into a libertarian now.

So uh I guess he wants a real TV show on a real TV channel again

Pardon me for asking, but what the gently caress was he before?

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Good Citizen posted:

Some outlets have reported that the 'person of interest' that they've been interviewing is a Saudi national so he probably just assumed. I haven't checked for updates in a few hours but last I heard he was at the hospital, cooperating fully, and denying involvement.

Turns out, as everyone was running away, someone tackled an Arab-looking individual and had him arrested. The Saudi apparently had nothing to do with it, he was just the wrong skin tone.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Miltank posted:

Or it was literally any other explanation because we don't actually know.

Someone already reported that it was the case.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Guilty Spork posted:

Were they actually trying to tie the bombing to right-wingers? We do have the thing where conservative pundits ignore reality and vehemently deny that right-wing domestic terrorists exist, but then pinning it on those guys with zero evidence would be kinda dumb. Not as dumb as making poo poo up about the other side being cool with 9/11 because I guess Occupy Wall Street's mirror universe evil twin was able to travel back in time though.

Most of the counterterrorism experts are saying that it looks like a homegrown, right-wing patriot-style bombing, like Oklahoma City in 1995. There's no direct evidence to tie it, but all of the details fit the profile of a right-wing attack.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Tatum Girlparts posted:

He's legitimately stupid as poo poo but a lot of people use the 'well he has MONEY' logic to assume he's smart and savvy, because hey it would be pretty unjust of the world to let a loving idiot get obscenely rich, yea?

Also, Trump does not have nearly as much money as he always claims to have. He's not really that influential.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Connecting this to another topic, that Penn/Teller show had a brutal episode on how you shouldn't be mad at Wal-Mart, it's just the end game of capitalism, and yay capitalism so yay Wal-Mart.

It seems to have done more to erode people's belief in capitalism than pump up love for Wal-Mart.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Walter posted:

I suspect Vilerat would be aghast at his mother's showing up on Hannity.

Yeah. :smith: :(

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

He didn't start off dating a Mormon woman and converted, his non-religious wife told him to go find a religion and Glenn found Mormonism.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

BiggerBoat posted:

I mean, seriously, do modern conservatives honestly think that McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world simply because it's the most profitable? Or Wal-Mart the greatest department store?

I seriously doubt that any wealthy, successful Republican frequents any of those places or listens to MJ. Most of them that I know wouldn't be caught dead in an Applebee's or a McDonalds, let alone listening to "Billie Jean" anywhere outside of their daughter's wedding reception.

Some of them actually do. I've talked to these people. They love McDonald's, Wal-Mart, and Jay Leno.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

In Palin's case though, it is almost appropriate. She really did go out of her way to play up all a lot of terrible stereotypes. Some times it is easiest just to call a spade a spade, especially when they are going on TV and being all, "Hey, look at me act like such a space!".

She was all about being a mom, and having sex appeal, and all the winking, and not having any clue about the outside world, or having any interest in reading a newspaper. oval office is a slur against women because it is an old term for vagina, and Palin was the vagina incarnate for those on the right wing. She was all about defending patriarchy and making babies, and otherwise being a dumb yet charming vagina.

Just recently, there was some conservative magazine cover with the headline "SARAH PALIN'S RACK" along with Palin making jokes about being fertile at some speech.

That's her schtick.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

GoatSeeGuy posted:

When the original name for the show was Hannity and a liberal to be named later, I don't think balance was ever something to even be pretended. At the time Hannity was the rising star in NY radio and they were just looking to see if they could make something of him. People forget Fox News launched by just throwing poo poo at the wall to see what would stick. Ailes might be a GOP shithead, but before Rupert Murdoch he was working at what would turn into MSNBC. If they had given Carmen Electra a shift instead of someone like Burt Sugar or Paula Zahn and she took off in the ratings instead of Hannity and O'Reilly there's a greater than 0 chance we would have T&A News on basic cable right now.

There's a greater than zero chance we already have that, in FOX.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Install Gentoo posted:

24 hour news stations also seem to do pretty well. Many of them have just recently converted from being the talk format or the news/talk format over the past few years, although others have been doing it continuously for 50 years. Like WINS out of New York City and KYW out of Philadelphia, both CBS stations, which were the first stations to do it back in 1965.

WWJ is the longtime news station in Detroit, and it always does really well. Traffic and weather on the '8s, and there's always people driving that tune in for that segment.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

OAquinas posted:

Don't forget that time in the 90s when Rush was doing football commentary and got his rear end dropped like a hot potato after saying something like "he did ok for a black guy."

Rush was hired for ESPN's Sunday morning NFL show, to be "the voice of the fan". No politics, nothing with a political bent, just football.

Three or four weeks in, Rush talked about how Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb (who had led the team to multiple conference championship games in a row by that point) was overrated by the media because "the media was desirous to have a black quarterback succeed in the NFL". That's what got Rush fired, after earlier weeks where he talked about other black figures in football that were getting too good of treatment.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Amused to Death posted:

A Good Thing is happening


:getin:

YES YES YES

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Zwabu posted:

What will be the most beautiful will be the cries of "right wingers FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS VIOLATED" when Rush or Hannity lose broadcasting platforms due to the free market. :allears:

Coming at noon tomorrow!

Man, I can't wait. Hopefully, they complain enough that Cumulus fires them, and sends them on a forced vacation for a while.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Is today the day where SilentD finally gets banned?

Let's hope so.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Zeroisanumber posted:

The word around the campfire is that he's going to end up going the same way as Ed Schultz and get booted to weekends.

This is hilarious. This made my day, even more than him and Rush getting booted off all the big radio stations.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Zeroisanumber posted:

First thing that came to mind was this:

Victor Lundberg - An Open Letter to My Teenage Son

60's dad taking a super-conservative position on all of these youth happenings of our crazy modern world.

I've always liked it because it's a good reminder that conservatives are always wrong.

This came from Grand Rapids, home of West Michigan's super-conservative Dutch Reformed crowd. Also, home of Amway!

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Spacedad posted:

What's up with Fox making an absurd amount of basic reporting errors lately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilpBeGbkUY0

It's like their sloppy fact-checking with editorial shows has pretty much seeped completely over into their most basic fact-checking capabilities. One wonders what their raison d'etre is if they can't even get these very basic things right. Then again, there are lots of people who eat McDonalds believing it to be food rather than filler...

Maybe it has something to do with all of their producers getting absurdly impractical computers and desks to work with, so they can be high-tech window dressing instead of actual reporters?

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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
The stations are starting to pull away from Sean Hannity, after the Cumulus departure.

Detroit's largest station, WJR 760, dropped Hannity from its website. The replacement seems to be Michael Savage, and WJR's afternoon schedule just has a blank.

http://www.wjr.com/common/more.php?m=10&mode=schedule&r=2

Hannity's replacement station is a barely-known station that syndicates the conservative radio third-string, like Dennis Miller.

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