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General Dog posted:Okay, I'll be real for a second. As a conservative and a Christian, I lie to myself ever day. I know that my entire worldview is probably wrong, but it's a big scary world our there, and regardless of the facts I'm not willing change everything I believe in- everything I am. Fortunately, there's a ton of sources that I can go to that will equip me with the spin, half-truths, and misinformation that I need to go on another day. I think that's where the market for this stuff is. It's preaching to the choir. It's likely that these "sane" people you knew got too immersed in it and lost their self awareness. Yes but the problem is that these people are like 30% of the voting public. People like Rush channel their political energy and turn it into results by getting them to vote the party line in every election, down to the smallest. These people would still exist without right wing shills to tell them how to think and how to vote, of course, but I have a feeling they would be a much less potent political force without them. What's somewhat more disturbing is that Limbaugh is in many ways just the kingpin of a huge network of smaller conservative hosts that operate on the local level. I actually think these guys are more of a problem than the big names because they propagate conservatism at the local level. For example Mark Belling [http://www.belling.com/] is the local right wing troll for me. His shows are basically Limbaugh in miniature, with slandering of any local politicians with a D near their name, casual racism about the drat lazy blacks and the failing Milwaukee city schools, shouting down callers who disagree with him and telling people who to vote for in local elections. All the while he maintains power over local politicians by threatening to loose the hounds on them for not being conservative enough. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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shots shots shots posted:Educated people are typically well-off and support many liberal viewpoints. A perfect example of this is the success of stuff like "The Economist", which supports stuff like gay marriage and weed legalization, but diverges from college leftists when it doesn't support harshly redistributive taxes and a bunch of social justice stuff. Unfortunately working class people, who traditionally have supported reasonable redistributive taxes and "a bunch of social justice stuff" like ending mass discrimination and racism, are trapped in a morass of misinformation from the media described in this thread, a workplace culture that says everyone is a professional and so unions are unnecessary and harmful, despite making $7 an hour sweeping floors, and political dysfunction brought on by concentrated attacks from the right for 40 years. It's a perfect example of the victory of the right wing media narrative that anything to the left of laissez faire liberalism is considered the immature ramblings of college leftists. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:I think they started going off their rocker about the time they started using the southern strategy. Well yeah, the Goldwater/Reagan conservative movement was started when the enormous number of racists and xenophobes in the country went apeshit over the Civil Rights Act, and the Republican party swooped in use them to further free market capitalism. During the New Deal the rural and southern racists were contained in a kind of bubble within the Democratic party, where the progressive wing didn't listen to a word they said but they still voted lockstep Democratic and allowed for left wing majorities, until the progressive wing finally got around to forcing civil rights through. They were always this insane though, these are the same people who fluoride in tapwater was a communist mind control plot, etc, etc. Also the whole mass racial violence and lynchings deal, which is somewhat of an issue. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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astrollinthepork posted:What was Rush like during the Bush years? Pretty much the same as now. These people are fundamentally cowards, they are the most aggresive when they have the upper hand. Al Gore was an effeminate ivory tower intellectual who peddled global warming for attention, John Kerry was an effeminate rich northeastern liberal who loved wine tasting, Martha's Vineyard and para sailing, and got a purple heart by whining about a minor scratch as he sat in safety. Just like today, he pounded this stuff every single day, drawing on a bottomless well of southern accented callers to help him spit on the damned lefties and on the occasional meek, effeminate planted liberal caller to provoke, bully and terrorize for entertainment.
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greazeball posted:This is a really good post and when I was telling my wife about it, she brought up another interesting aspect of the conservative philosophy. They feed into the lotto-players' fever dreams of suddenly hitting the big time. Good people who work hard get rewarded, right? Maybe if you just work a little harder, that'll put you over the top and you'll be livin the high life! Voting Republican connects people to this nostalgic American dream where everyone just worked their land and up grew the crops and then came the customers to give them all the moneys. Democrats remind us that bad things can actually happen to good people and for a lot of folks that's just not something they want to consider much less support. I really think the idea that conservatism is based around fear is spot on though. Economic conservatism, in thinking that if we give too much to the poor then literally everyone else will be broke and starving, is maintained by fear, as is social conservatism, with the idea that all minority groups are evil people who have some insidious plot for the country. People say conservatives are racist, but I really think that's a bad description, because almost all conservatives I know are really and truly terrified of minorities. It's not hatred, it's fear. The conservatives I know are genuinely scared in the presence of black people, homosexuals, muslims, etc. This is also why right wingers get enraged at the very mention of the "r-word" racism, because in their eyes someone calling them a racist is effectively belittling and insulting them for being frightened by Black Panther criminal thugs who would probably rape his or her daughter if left alone for a second. Same with the gays, muslims, "women's libbers", etc, etc. The sheer terror and anguish that drives these people really can't be described. This is all pretty much why I think describing Republican Party conservatism as "FYGM", or "racist" is very simplistic, and not really accurate. I don't know if better understanding will help combat it, but who knows.
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Warchicken posted:How is it not racism? They look different, therefore I am scared of them because they are awful and will do terrible things(while I am better than them because I am white). Just because they are 'scared' doesn't make it more fear than racism. It's fear because they are racist. It's definitely racism, but I think people ascribe way too much active malice to these people. There's a ton of malice, sure, but it's not conscious.
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Amused to Death posted:This is actually true. Hoover never slashed spending. He did try many very small scale programs to try to alievate the depression, but he was overly convinced of charity. He expanded some programs, started some new ones(Federal Home Loan Act) but it was in no way big government, as it should've been. I mean one of those programs has his name on it(Hoover dam). FDR then put the scale of those programs into overdrive, and boom, unemployment begins to plummet. The idea Hoover took a completely hands off approach to the economy when the depression began is wrong, even if it often seems that way when compared to FDR, and the idea Hoover instituted big government is hilariously wrong since it's just an attempt to rewrite history and make FDR and everything that solved the depression look bad so we can give the SS trust fund to Wall St. Hoover did some small programs, but he did so little out of express ideological opposition to government welfare and intervention, and said poo poo like this in the worst years of the depression: Herbert Hoover posted:Nobody is actually starving. The hobos, for example, are better fed than they have ever been. Hobos are eating well, in fact one had ten meals in a single day. He called Roosevelt a socialist and was good buddies with Harding, basically the single most blatantly corrupt president we've ever had. He wasn't evil but he isn't really worth defending IMO. Also, something to remember is that the Republican Party in the 20s hadn't distilled the libertarian ideology we have now. They were quite open to government intervention if it benefited business, and were very protectionist and pro-tariff. Basically they didn't even pay lip service to the idea that the government shouldn't be controlled by he who has the most money back then.
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Zeroisanumber posted:"social commentary in my Star Trek!" Well, uhhhhh, hrm. I think I have some bad news for your friends about their favorite tv show.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:I was more certain before Scandalfest 2013. Granted, over half the "scandals" were just rhetoric turned up to 11, but the point stands that I'm not as confident. The scandals aren't particularly impressive though, as far as scandals go. It's pretty safe to assume Benghazi won't have any effect after four solid years of beating it into the ground. The IRS and phone records might be slightly harder, but Obama has proven very capable of convincing Democrats that he bears no responsibility for the various poo poo carried over from Bush. If they don't care about him literally assassinating people at will I find it hard to believe they'll care about a one time poor decision by an IRS director who was immediately canned. The NSA stuff has literally been going on for 12 years, they just made the mistake of loving with the mainstream press this time. I could definitely be wrong though. I'm cynical enough at this point that I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP made a full 180 on the subject of civil liberties in the span of ~6 months and actually fooled the public into believing them long enough to win the election. Well, I certainly hope not.
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Right wing pseudo-intellectualism of the National Review variety takes the cake as far as inducing blinding, incoherent rage in anyone who isn't a shitbag, IMO. At least people like Rush claim to base their views on "common sense", and thus they don't need stuff like "proof". These people just lie through their teeth with a big smuggo grin and vomit the most asinine, childish, pedantic quips and side comments I've ever seen in my life. example: quote:It is distinctly uncomfortable to watch, and before I go on to criticize Bey for his little agitprop, I should say that I would not want to be force-fed. But not because it’s torture — because it looks unpleasant, and because you can’t pipe in prime-grade chateaubriand. Agitprop? Chateaubriand? I'll bet the author doesn't even know what the gently caress those words mean. Jesus loving christ saying that torture is torture is not loving agitprop you're not some suave loving rebel fighting who's so much smarter and wittier than the commie establishemnt aughghghhghhh my head hurts icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 15, 2013 |
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Listening to Mark Levin right now, he's declared that the Republican Party is now at war with true conservatives. He spent about 5 minutes denouncing Paul Ryan as a big government RINO, then moved on to Chris Christie then to the party itself, mentioning Karl Rove as a big government activist. I haven't been following the right wing media too closely, but if this is where things are then the civil war is much more progressed than I had thought, and it doesn't seem like the moderates are winning. I know it's pretty much common knowledge now, but still pretty jarring. Break out the popcorn folks, it has begun. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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I listen to my local right wing radio clown Jay Weber when I'm bored, and while complaining about Obamacare a minute ago he casually mentioned that we're letting people get too much stuff from programs they didn't pay into, like unemployment and disability. Yes, he said that the disabled are getting too much government aid they don't deserve. I know this isn't even mildly shocking at this point, but I can't help but notice that they don't even realize they're doing it. I guarantee they lay in bed at night racking their brains as to why the disabled won't vote for them, and then casually mention that they deserve to die a slow death of starvation the next day. They just do not get it. They've been digging their own grave for 40 years and now that they're finally seeing the consequences they don't know anything else. Also he called Obama a 'nacrissistic fop' as if this was some kind of  In other news, I think the tea party line is now shifting to complaining about Obamacare putting more people on the evil dole and making them dependent wards of the state. They're touting some story about a 30 year old law school student who qualified for Medicare under the new laws, as if Medicare coverage is an incurable disease that will sap the strength and will of a man and turn him into a sickly, weak dependent. In still other news, Mr. Weber insisted that people were blaming both parties equally for the shutdown, and the polls otherwise were liberal tripe. I have to say this whole thing makes great entertainment, even though it is causing misery for millions of people. Let it all burn 
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Dude currently in law school with the present state of the legal job market is probably going to need that Medicare coverage for at least a decade after he graduates unless he was fortunate enough to get a full ride. I have a friend who graduated from Harvard Law like 3 years ago and she said she has a former classmate who is currently delivering pizzas as his primary source of income. Yeah they also just handwaved that away saying he'll be raking in the cash any minute now, and complained about taxpayers having to pay his tuition. These people have no idea how anything works, anything at all. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Oct 6, 2013 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Christ I had no idea Gladwell was such an idiot. I read Outliers once and it was pretty decent, when did he go full on crazy? Malcom Gladwell is like Thomas Friedman, his 'ideology' essentially consists of the idea that fascinating stories are just as good as data and scientific inquiry. He's basically a fiction writer who's made his career peddling meaningless anecdotes and charging 50k a pop for inspirational speeches. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 27, 2013 |
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greatn posted:AAAAH! IT loving SAYS GIVE US YOUR TIRED AND HUDDLED MASSES ON THE GOD drat STATUE KRASDKGHAISWEHIGHIAHSDKH! That quote was written by a Jew from New York, at a time when when Eastern and Southern European and Jewish immigrants were joining socialist parties en masse. Also not long after it was written conservative elements passed immigration laws that made it borderline impossible to immigrate legally if you weren't a white wasp protestant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act I guess you could say Mrs. Schlafly is more American than that drat commie statue, hmmmmm? 
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My local right wing head has now declared that the recent elections are in fact a great defeat for lie-beralism and the democrat party. Any day now they'll get another tea party tsunami. Also New York City is actually fairly conservative and will turn on de Blasio after the brown criminal hordes return en masse after stop and frisk is repealed. Wait what? The brown criminal hordes were the ones who voted him in, with 74% of the vote? Up is down, night is day, etc, etc. I think these people are seriously bipolar, they switch between proclaiming doom for liberals and the inevitable victory of liberalism probably once every few minutes at least. Constant shifting of rhetorical focus, etc, etc. The catch though is that Eco said right after that that the fascists are bound to lose because of it.
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The implication was that even as liberal as NYC is, they'll turn on him when the city immediately revers to a 70s era hellhole without stop and frisk and with Blasio's socialism. Never mind that de Blasio literally got 75% of the vote.
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El Rushbo doesn't shy away from using those ingredients the nanny state regime wants to suppress like asbestos, leaded gasoline and unfiltered cigarettes. Order a case today!
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No they're just children who need to feel smug and have the last word in literally every single thing.
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Rexicon1 posted:I don't even.. You can look through the latest libertarian thread for a view into these people's minds. Trust me, that is not nearly the worst of it.
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radical meme posted:Mark Levin has become totally unhinged lately. I think the guy is close to a nervous breakdown. He bounces from "the evil Obama is forcing his will upon the people" to "Obama is an idiot and completely incapable of doing anything right". It's truly amazing. His most recent talking point is that Obama has destroyed America's historic support and application of the Monroe Doctrine. loving really? The Monroe Doctrine of all things. In Levin's world, reaching an agreement with Iran and letting China declare military flight restrictions over some lovely islands in the China Sea are both examples of pissing on the Monroe Doctrine. Listening to Master Shake fly into unglued rants about lefties and Obummer is possibly the most entertaining thing on the radio.
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I actually enjoy conservatives digging their hole deeper in regards to social issues that they will lose in short order, because watching them panic and crash is the only conservative media I can stand to consume. Listening to them talk about issues they're not losing on tends to end in me screaming at the radio. A segment of my local clown making up barrels of facts about global warming ended that way, after he said that wind farms do orders of magnitude more damage to the environment than oil wells.
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Supposed free market supporters being strongly opposed to boycotts is about as American as apple pie, especially when those boycotts are in support of some progressive social issue. Here in Milwaukee there were boycotts of a local pizza chain which was mistreating union organizers and it was hilarious watching my libertarian friends switch between "the company shoud be free to contract with workers" and "people should not be free to boycott the pizza chain because, uh, reasons".
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BiggerBoat posted:Limbaugh bitches about "the media" non-stop. As if he weren't even a part of it. Seriously, play this game: turn on his show and bet the over/under on how long it takes for him to mention/blame the media for something. He has his audience convinced that the entirety of the U.S. media is in the pocket of Democrats and that he alone will report the Real News. The fact that there exist media outlets reporting news other than their daily talking points is media bias by their definition. When my local radio clowns share the day's talking points with the listener, like it's some kind of inside scoop and definitely not the same thing Rush, Hannity, and Levin are saying in a different timeslot, they always preface it by saying that the mainstream media isn't covering it. And it's entirely true, because the 'mainstream media' consists of lots of unrelated organizations that don't receive the daily RNC talking points. The existence of any news at all other than their talking points is an example of bias. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Gozinbulx posted:Whats with the insistance they were flirting? Is any pleasant conversation between a man and a woman who are smiling have to be flirting? Between two heads of state no less. Women are supposed to be somber and respectful of their male superiors, and only speak when spoken to, unless to offer refreshments. Only exception is when they're being courted. This is like rule #1. quiggy stardust posted:I am legitimately surprised that I haven't seen anyone suggest that Obama and the prime minister actually did gently caress. Just straight-up flirting feels so middle school. A lifetime of culturally ingrained sexual repression can leave you with the attitudes of the average middle schooler, yes. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 13, 2013 |
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radical meme posted:Have I missed the memo somewhere? When did "progressive" replace "liberal" as the new slur? The left has been branding themselves as progressives lately, because the word liberal is basically radioactive at this point after 40 years of angry bigots making it a scapegoat to rally against. They have sensed this and are shifting the rhetorical war to the word progressive.
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I would think that the literal daily bald faced lies and horrible racism spewed by GOP talking heads and state house members everywhere would be better material than a thing Obama said that one time, but some people have a pathological need for the truth to be in the middle and for milquetoast centrism to win I guess.
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ashgromnies posted:I suggest a compromise on the whole white Santa thing. What if it's a white guy but in blackface? He'd get pretty sooty going down the chimney anyway. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3576419 The Dutch have had you covered for like 150 years here, although I guess technically Old Black Pete is Santa's helper and not Santa himself.
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Well the AM radio circuit has picked up on the white santa thing, and you'd never guess what their opinion of the matter is. It's that santa's white identity needs to be defended against the multicultural PC gestapo trying to destroy white culture, also black people are the real racists for even pointing this whole thing out. It did bring a smile to my face to see my local radio man, who usually paints himself as somewhat moderate, go into nearly full stormfront mode about white nordic culture being under assault. It was glorious because his own callers were basically telling him to tone it down and he's saying "BU BU BUT THE PC GESTAPO MUST BE FOUGHT". He then segued into complaining about how Christianity was being oppressed as well. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Dec 14, 2013 |
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max4me posted:Serious question, I m gonna be careful cause in my head its sounds like a troll. I know the religious right loves Israel for messed up reason regarding the ending of the world. Jews ascended to the pantheon of white people after WW2 when they stopped being an urban proletariat in America, blacks and Mexicans became much scarier minorities than Jews and Catholics, and when Israel started being best buds with the USA and enemies of Communism. Cultural memories / historical opinions of Jews in the USA have more to do with Yiddish speaking immigrants from eastern Europe who came to New York than with Israel, because Israel didn't exist as a Jewish country before 1945. So aside from fading cultural memories of them drat Jews and Catholics in the minds of old WASPy people, there isn't much of that traditional antisemitism left in the culture of the right. So to answer your question no, 'Jesus was Jewish' is not controversial at all today among Megyn Kelly's audience. If anything they consider Israelis to be the only civilized white people among the savage A-rab population of the larger Middle East, regardless of their actual ethnic origins and skin color. If you want to troll right wingers say Jesus was basically Syrian or Lebanese and closely related to modern Arabs, or something similar tying him to Arabs. It's true also and will probably make them really mad because Arabs and Muslims are subhuman to them. edit: vvvvvv There was no joke. She said it to appeal to the Fox's white supremacist audience, and then she denied ever having meant it because you can do that in the post reality era icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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kik2dagroin posted:Limbaugh closed out his program today with a 'Liberals are the real _______'. Today it was the term 'corporatist' which according to Limbaugh is the new term for fascist. You see, Liberals are the party of Wall Street and Hey look the old 'fascist corporatism is the same as walmart corporatism' meme gets new life, except intentionally misleading this time instead of accidentally. Popular Thug Drink posted:Sure, but it's a bizarre thing and thus intereresting to talk about. I can't tell if Zimmerman is an amateur painter or if he's the kind of guy who would lie about it and get a .psd printed onto a canvas in a weak attempt to repay his crushing legal bills. Hrm yes I wonder whether the child murdering, spouse abusing racist would stoop to such a level.
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Spun Dog posted:Apparently, the war on Christmas is over We've always been at war with christmas
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FuzzySkinner posted:I was with my father a few minutes a go to grab some lunch. The population of fat, old, white, painkiller addicted, dominican (child?) prostitute abusing males in this country is pretty small too. I agree we should start ignoring them.
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Somebody needs to start keeping some sort of central record of asinine right wing comments and radio shows. I would pay real world money to be able to go through the years and found every time Rush Limbaugh has said something hosed up 1990 to today all neatly compiled, just to rub it right wingers faces.
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Well the Democrats were the party of war at the time, because southern conservatives were bloodthirsty warmongers who loved shooting them some commie civilians. Southern Democrats start wars, Republicans profit from them, and northeastern Liberals, both Republican and Democrat, protest ineffectively and get beaten by police. Same thing as the BUT BUT BUT THE DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND THE REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR IT!!!!!!
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Listerine posted:I am loving losing my mind at the people cannot understand how this incident was not an issue of freedom of speech. Is there any good breakdown that explains freedom speech in relation to this incident that doesn't address the content of Phil's comments? I've been trying to explain this and people just cannot get past the idea that this was a an assault on his conservative views by liberals at A&E. Somehow the decision to put him back in episodes was not motivated at all by the bottom line. It's not a freedom of speech issue, they're just mad that people who disagree with them are allowed to voice their views publicly and have majority support. They just won't admit it.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Free market loving Republican politician, or third world socialist firebrand? Or soulless parasite seeking personal gain off the engine of middle America's bigotry and xenophobia?
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Warchicken posted:Is this supposed to be a joke or is this country really this hosed up? Holy poo poo. yes.
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With the recent surge of mainstream interest bitcoins have become a mechanism for speculators and conmen to extract money from idiot internet libertarians. So pretty much exactly like gold.
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