Costume Thread: The Boob Window of Opportunity

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Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Lurdiak posted:

Both of those are basically just variations on Black Suit Spider-man, one of the most successful and iconic costume changes in comic book history. Spidey went from having arguably the best costume in comics to having the other best costume in comics.

Even the misfire costumes can occasionally get a new lease on life.

I mean, look at this:

It really doesn't seem to work for Spider-Man, but then they turned around and gave that costume to Spider-Girl:

Somehow it just works for her.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2014 14:20

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 05:05

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Hey, I was browsing the internet and found some stuff that looks interesting:

A concept from the original plan for Spider-Girl #60 which was at one point thought to be the last Spider-Girl story, for a flashforward with her brother as Spider-Man.

Also, this:

This was apparently supposed to be a 'mirror universe' Spider-Girl. Which I suppose works as she's certainly rather opposite to Spider-Girl. I think it might be a bit much for the '90s bad girl' scale, though.

A concept for future Molly from Runaways from a mock cover they did for a letters page:

An improvement over the Battle of the Atom version, right?

Thoughts?

# ¿ Nov 27, 2014 13:08

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

fatherboxx posted:

I liked fantasy blacksmith Molly

I didn't like the idea of Molly actually being physically buff, since her powers are psychic. I always figured she was actually a ful-blown psychic like here parents, she just unconsciously manifested it as being strong and tough because she was only a kid. Kind of like Superboy's tactile telekinesis or whatever.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2014 13:21

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Who What Now posted:

I always really liked the Spider-Girl series. I stopped reading around the second or third time it was brought back from cancellation. I'm assuming it was eventually buried for good?

Yeah, it had the first #100-issue run, then Amazing Spider-Girl, then Spectacular Spider-Girl (well 2 runs of it), before wrapping it up (well, with an open end for the possibility of continuation) with a The End one-shot to provide some closure. Then, because Dan Slott apparently hates me personally, she was brought back for Spider-Verse to kill off her parents (AKA a large chunk of what made her book great) and to turn her brother into a living MacGuffin while she apparently exists to either run away from or get smacked down with apparently little effort by the ~~plot devices~~villains of the story. But she gets a one-shot story by her original creative team later on, so I guess that's nice.

Yes, I am slightly bitter, why do you ask?

But enough about that, let's talk costumes!

For instance, what the gently caress is going on with Lady Shiva in the New 52?

I mean, granted she's had some :wtf:

costumes, that cleavage-tastic one from I think the end of Cassgirl's series, for instance, but nothing so bizarre as that.

Edit:Did a GIS for 'Lady Shiva' for references and found this. :stonk:

Now share my pain. :unsmigghh:

# ¿ Dec 16, 2014 23:55

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Selachian posted:

Is that a back cutout to display a big spider tattoo? Interesting, but it'd make keeping the ol' secret identity tough.

Since the Mirror Spidey didn't bother with a mask either (they actually showed this alternate universe in a previous issue), I guess they don't give a poo poo about secret IDs on Mirror MC2. Apparently she was meant to be raised by Kaine, which explains the trenchcoat connection. Although it makes the bizarrely sexualised getup extra creepy.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2014 02:49

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

fozzy fosbourne posted:

It seems like it borrows some visual cues from recent superhero animated series. Like, I can totally imagine a matching set of costumes with a similar style on a Young Avengers Academy show or something. Maybe Hawkguy a little bit, too.

Her old costume was kind of ridiculous but mostly just because guys couldn't resist drawing gigantic boob socks to take advantage of the framing of the logo. That and that notorious butt cleavage. It's like if people drew Spider-man's junk clinging to his leg, clearly outlined, then of course that costume would be inappropriate, too.

I think the new costume is ok, the old costume was kind of neat but was too tempting for cheesecake, and the new costume seems like it might feel dated soon in the same way that stuff like Impulse or the Jacket Avengers do.

Edit: I like Captain Marvel's recent costume more

Edit: the elephant in the room also seems to be that she is often depicted with huge boobs; google image search spider-woman and try to find images where she doesn't have humongous boobs, even by cape comic book standards.

This image is a little more modest and it's buried:

And it's ironically by Greg Land, so it's probably a trace of a real porn star. In other words, people generally decided to draw Jessica Drew much more titillating than Greg Land tracing real porn stars

Edit3: for comparison,
google image search Captain Marvel
google image search Wonder Woman

I think you make a very good point about how the old costume was fine in theory except for artists decided to use it for cheesecake.

Compare Spider-Girl as depicted in her own series, where she appears reasonably sensibly-proportioned for a athletic teenager without being titillating:

Of course, then Coipel (who is otherwise a good artist) got his hands on her for Spider-Verse.

What the hell.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2014 13:05

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Little Mac posted:

I don't see a huge difference?

You don't see how in the second image, the chest spider is clearly distorted due to Coipel's cheescake?

Edit:

Waterhaul posted:

Yvonmukluk has a weird thing for anybody Tom DeFalco or Ron Frenz doing things with Spider-Girl and is really mad about Spider-Verse using the character.

Not true at all, I have no problem with other writers or artists handling Spider-Girl (or any other fictional character) as long as they do it respectfully, hell one of my favourite issues of Spider-Girl was the one by Sean McKeever and Casey Jones, and I think maybe new creative team might work to revitalise the character if they gave her a new book. I actually like Spider-Girl going back to short hair for Spider-Verse, even if DeFalco and Frenz preferred it long, because that's just more practical for a full-head mask.

The only reason I've been talking about Spider-Girl recently is because Spider-Verse brought her back, and because Slott seems to not have much grasp on the character at all. And I'm only discussing this in particular because fozzy fosbourne's post about Spider-Woman made me actually notice an issue with Spider-Girl in Coipel's art I'd not previously noticed.

But since this the costume thread and some people seem confused, I'll stop rambling off-topic and go into specific detail about what I mean (although I really wish I didn't have to).

Image 1:

Note the chest spider is nice and prominent. Although Spider-Girl has enough of a bust to indicate that yes, she is a girl, it doesn't distort the logo, seems reasonable for someone of her age and athleticism, and avoids being titillating.

Image 2:

Spider-Girl's chest emblem has now literally been squashed by her cleavage, with where the bottom legs of the spider meeting the body literally being overshadowed by her chest, which seems to also wrap around the spider's torso. It's clearly an instance of the boob sock effect, and is especially notable (since this is an issue most of the other female characters in Spider-Verse have) because this is meant to be the same character, who's largely been consistently drawn like the first image (and not just by Frenz, other artists have worked on Spider-Girl too, in her own title or elsewhere).

Am I the only the one who sees this? Anyway, now I've explained my reasoning I'll stop :spergin:

about Spider-Girl in this thread.

Well except to say that THIS Spider-Girl costume is absolutely terrible, which I think we can all agree on:

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Dec 21, 2014

# ¿ Dec 21, 2014 15:00

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Wendell posted:

I see what you are saying, Yvon.

And who drew that final piece of poo poo? Is it just fan art?

Thanks for saying so, I was beginning to think it was just me.

As to your question: it's fanart based off the infamous Spider-Girl Halloween costume that caused a minor online kerfuffle, not because of the skirt or being pink (at least, not just because those things) but because it had a picture of the actual costume on it so you could see how far off the mark it was.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2014 16:11

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Babe Magnet posted:

Horrible, lazy costumes are the best

Speaking of horrible, lazy costumes, here's another one for Spider-Girl! But before you ask, it's not Mayday Parker, this is...actually, it's not really very clear. She showed up in a crowd scene an anti-drug PSA comic alongside the 616 heroes including Spider-Man one time (complete with caption saying who she was) and was never seen again. She was apparently created for licensing purposes.

So '90s.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2014 16:45

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

This is why I ride for Manara, sure it's cheesecake but when you have people comparing like, Michael Turner's bullshit to his, I'm just like seriously get your eyes checked. At least one of those two guys knows enough rules about anatomy to break them. So what if Copiel drew her with bigger breasts? At least he knows what breasts look like.

Horrible? Lazy? This is phenomenal. This looks a million times better than the garbage you're praising. It might not be a particularly imaginative design but those sketches have character.

I'm not denying they're well-drawn, but the costume itself is rather dull in my opinion. The entire point I was initially making (and I believe fosbourne was making in his post about Spider-Woman, although I don't presume to speak for him-that's just what I got out of it) is that it's difficult to separate the costume in and of itself from how artists interpret it.

Actually they discussed the exact same sort of thing in the BSS chat thread, and Lurdiak pretty much sums it up rather well:

Lurdiak posted:

Oh yeah sorry, I misread you.

I think honestly a big issue is that there's an entire generation of artists who work at the big two who really just take joy in drawing women they can jerk off to and don't really consider the context of what they're drawing them in. Like, before Bendis brought her back, nobody would really have called Spider-woman's outfit sexualized, it's just kind of like Spidey's outfit but more poorly designed, but artists basically just drew it as body paint on a supermodel. Same with the Shield uniforms, the ladies basically wear the same poo poo as Nick Fury did in his old comics, but some of the artists really make it look like they're wearing some kinda latex outfit for an erotic photo shoot.

Like I'm sure if you got Greg Land or Frank Cho to draw Kamala Khan they'd manage to make her totally neat and modest outfit look like some pervert poo poo. There are a lot of problematic sexualized outfits in comics (like that one X-character who's literally a naked teenager) but the attitude of the people drawing these characters is a huge factor.

Context is important.

Edit:

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

I like them too. Is the artist Terry Dodson, by any chance?

I believe it is. I like the art but the costume design is painfully generic.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 22, 2014

# ¿ Dec 22, 2014 16:33

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

fatherboxx posted:

No, I just made that up by analyzing the costume.

Would love to see JLA rising in something like the Porco Rosso pilot brotherhood.

So, Justice Riders meets Blackhawks? I like the cut of your jib.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2014 09:59

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Of course, the real reason was because it was WWII and patriotism was all the rage.

I believe they later explained it as a female American ferry pilot crash-landed on Thermyscira suring WWII, stumbled into a fight between some of the Amazons and a cosmic evil that was kicking their asses, and managed to sacrifice her life to keep the creature distracted enough to be sealed away again. The Amazons were all 'holy crap this woman is awesome' so they buried her with full honours and when they were designing the costume for their ambassador, they took cues from the US flag patch on her jacket, and the double-W logo she made her up for herself (also on her jacket) that I believe led to the name Wonder Woman. her name? Diana Rockwell Trevor. Yep, not only did she give Wondy her name, she also was Steve Trevor's mother.

I realise this makes the whole story sound awful, but it's really not.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2014 10:51

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

muscles like this? posted:

I don't think I've ever liked a Wonder Woman costume.

I kind of liked the JMS one, and I had to choose one to replace the classic costume (which is nice and iconic, but yeah...maybe not the best for modern audiences), than I'd go with that.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2014 20:37

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Behold! Mike Wieringo's Batgirl!

I'm getting a very Nightwing vibe from it, but the boots actually make me think of the current Batgirl costume.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2015 17:16

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

howe_sam posted:

And yet it's still one of the best costume Jean Gray's ever had.

I maintain the X-Men First Class (comic, not the movie) costume is better.

It's a pretty neat modernisation of the original costumes if you ask me. Why couldn't they have dug out those instead? Actually, is that series even canon any more?

I also kind of like the tweaked version of the Phoenix costume they did for MUA2 (although it might bit a bit too Jim Lee with the lines for some people's tastes):

# ¿ Jan 6, 2015 17:27

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Dolash posted:

I saw a bit of the Incredibles the other day and was reminded of the Superhero costume designer scene. I was wondering if any comics have ever gone in-depth in-universe about superheroes and their costumes? Is there someone out there making outfits for heroes and villains? Do heroes themselves ever discuss costume trends like the 90s-era Liefield look or how absolutely everyone used to wear spandex?

Hoping I haven't missed that being covered in the thread already.

There is in fact a guy in Marvel New York who provides most of the superhero tailoring who was introduced in I think JMS' Spider-Man run (issue #502, to be precise). He sees heroes and villains on alternate days. Spidey's not a customer (that's actually why he seeks him out-he has info one of his customers is about to kill a DA and can't just tell one of his regular clients or he'd risk losing all his business). He actually designs Spidey's Last Stand costume, which cropped up earlier in the thread:

VagueRant posted:

Great OP!

I was recently reminded of this Spidey outfit from JMS' run, that I always liked.

the wiki kind of explains it maybe - http://spiderman.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_%28Earth-312500%29
The jacket was even reversible so he could easily go from casual Peter to Spidey. Shame it never came into the story proper. Jackets are definitely big in superhero fashion lately.

Both stylish and practical!

Edit: Aw dang, beaten. Didn't realise he made Penance's outfit. Isn't Spider-Woman's new costume meant to have a reversible jacket? Maye she got it from Leo.

# ¿ Jan 11, 2015 21:16

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Discendo Vox posted:

If that's supposed to be a condom, then she should throw it out and get a new one- the seal's clearly broken, you can't see the circular shape of the condom inside the wrapping.

I believe that's a plot point. And that's the secret origin of Peter Parker. :barf:

# ¿ Jan 19, 2015 10:22

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Die Laughing posted:

I like Lady Iron Fist.

Didn't they establish a historical Lady Iron Fist was the Phoenix in AvX? Between that and White Phoenix, that art seems to have surprising long term influence.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2015 00:00

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Doctor Spaceman posted:

one room depicts a person torturing a character on a bloody operating table

Professor Pyg confirmed.

# ¿ May 24, 2015 09:45

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

So here's the new Spider-Man costume by Alex Ross. Thoughts?

# ¿ Jun 30, 2015 20:39

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Between putting Spider-Girl in the classic Spider-Girl costume over the Ben Reilly one and now this, I think it's official that Dan Slott has Bad Opinions on Spider-Costumes.

# ¿ Jul 1, 2015 00:51

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Anora posted:

Or give him a Mullet.

Also, we already have the Kid Spider-man, where's the Robot and armor Spider-man?

Don't forget Girl Spider-Man!

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Aug 18, 2015

# ¿ Aug 14, 2015 15:46

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Spider-Girl got a new costume!

It seems to have been based upon this concept Frenz did a while back:

Which has a bit too much red in it.
But the final version seems much better:

I like it. It seems to be a nice middle ground between her original/Ben Reilly costume and the Peter Parker one.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:18

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

PicklePants posted:

Huh, Jess finally loses her costume that Rocket Racoon pointed out, basically, points down to her lady biz.

Then a similar theme shows up on Spider Girl. With the red arrow, the negative space in the blue, and the arches of red resting on her hip bones.

It's not really that bad in that sense. Besides, it's actually also partially adapted from this costume:

Which also has the same pointing at the crotch issue. I doubt that it meant to be interpreted as 'HEY LOOK DOWN HERE', more that it's a combination of the Ben Reilly & Peter Parker costumes. I honestly didn't notice till you pointed it out.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 11:32

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Also, they seem to be quietly rolling back the Spider-Woman rebranding (the covers have all referred to the backup as 'a Spider-Girl story', and even in story people still call her Spider-Girl). Not to mention while Mayday's been mentioned as showing up in Web Warriors, Anya didn't even appear in the setup story for Web Warriors in ASM #1. So who's irrelevant now? :colbert:

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 10:42

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

mind the walrus posted:

Well....

These own. Kirby owns.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2015 17:06

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Squizzle posted:

Which reminds me—if we're talking great costumes, try beating this look:

I think that came about because Gorshin refused to wear that stupid onesie with a question-mark on it after a while, and then got imported into the comics.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2015 23:56

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

So, what's the verdict on Steve's new Cap costume?

I'll be honest...not a fan.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 12:41

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

mind the walrus posted:

I also look forward to the inevitable scene where Cap stabs someone with the point of the shield, preferably as part of some dialogue where he mentions how he "couldn't do that with the old shield ."

Hulk Smash! posted:

Here, I improved it 100% (it still sucks)

How the hell was he going to throw and bounce that pointy thing?

The big party trick is that it...splits in half.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jan 22, 2016

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 16:24

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Nessus posted:

He has George W. Bush face. Not a good look for Cap, noted historically for not being George W. Bush.

Maybe this is meant to be the 'conservative' Cap for everybody who's butthurt over Sam being Cap.

You know, 'Seperate but equal' Captains America.

Wait...

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 23:50

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

mind the walrus posted:

What the hell was this? Can someone upload it to imgur like a normal person in 2011 would?

Also y'all are hating this way more than I think is reasonable. It's not a very good look and needs improvement but come on it's just one year. The shield bugs me more than anything else, and even then only because he's going to stab someone with it and be all about it.

Sorry, I thought I had. Fixed.

mind the walrus posted:

That's the one good thing about C-listers in comics. You just let yourself get out of the loop and then when you get back in some batshit insane stuff has happened. In many ways it's better than the A-List where every "major" change is a temporary gimmick.

Except for when they get killed off or otherwise screwed over for cheap drama.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2016 19:09

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

WickedHate posted:

You're not wrong.

You made me remember that the 1970s Captain America movie existed.

This might be the worst thing you've ever done.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2016 18:01

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

So, Ron Frenz just posted a bunch of sketches of a character that ultimately became American Dream, the MC2 universe's version of Captain America. It's a very interesting insight into how these costumes evolve.

Kind of wish they'd kept the jacket, imo. I guess we know where Ms. America got it from. Although I think losing the abs & the wingface mask were good decisions.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2016 09:53

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Nessus posted:

Is the American Dream there Dusty Rhodes' secret super-soldier daughter?

She's Sharon Carter's niece, who grew up idolising Cap.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2016 10:20

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

I've kind of got a soft spot for the New X-Men costume (14).

# ¿ Feb 21, 2016 09:08

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Lurdiak posted:

So it's basically the old costume (or specifically the slightly darker blue version from the 90s) minus the underpants. Which is what they should've done from the start instead of the ugly Jim Lee interlocking plates poo poo.

I'm sorry it sounds like you're hating on the trunks of power. This is incorrect. :colbert:

# ¿ Mar 26, 2016 13:05

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Cassandra Cain's new costume is kind of awful:

It's like somebody merged her Batgirl costume & the B&R Eternal one, but the end result is the worst of both worlds. I'm guessing she's not calling herself 'Blackbat', because there's nary a bat in sight on her costume.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2016 23:51

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Any suggestions for a Naboo from Mighty Boosh costume? I tried googling but mostly got results like the Spirit of Jazz and Old Greg.

I think you are in the wrong thread.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2016 08:18

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

Die Laughing posted:

They should've made Cassandra Cain Black Bat again, and then we could have China's Finest.

Except she's not Chinese?

# ¿ Apr 13, 2016 07:44

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 05:05

Yvonmukluk: Oct 10, 2012; Everything is Sinister

So I know the dread spectre of Brand Synergy has been known to be an issue when it comes to superhero costumes, but can they please put Elektra in the Netflix costume ASAP?
For reference, what both costumes look like in Marvel Heroes:

Much better, wouldn't you agree?

# ¿ Apr 15, 2016 18:47

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