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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

radlum posted:

A friend and me just got into the game, bought two Starter Sets (the original one and The Force Awakens one); played our first game and really enjoyed. Now we are feeling the need to add more stuff to get to 100 points, what expansion should we buy next?

I just got into this last week, and the Aces packs seemed pretty dang good. Two TIE/in and B-wing/A-wing are pretty good value.

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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
What the fudge is EPT?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
CSI is having another big Star Wars sale. I got a Ep. VII core set and b-wings in their black friday sale, and decided I freaking love Xwangs now. This is pretty much the Great Wallet Welp of 2015 as far as I'm concerned.

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 16, 2015

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I'm just pissed that the movie has a character from that godawful Aftermath book, even if he is the new trilogy's Porkins. That book sucked.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, I love TIE Interceptors. A lot. Is there a way to make an Interceptor aces list without using autothrusters? I don't have autothrusters, and while I know I could just print out proxies, there is a part of me that refuses to use something that is so necessary in the meta. I mean, I should be able to make TIE/IN work without it, right? (I'm still very new to Xwangs, so)

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

The Gate posted:

It will work, obviously there were ace lists before autothrusters was printed, but not having it is rough against turrets. You'd probably replace the autothrusters with either a targeting computer for extra damage or with a hull/shield for durability.

Yeah, I've been doing targeting comp. Maybe I'll look at shield upgrades, though. Local meta seems to love K-wings right now, and my TIE/IN guys have been getting about 50/50 against k-wing lists without autothrusters, so maybe I'm doing okay? My strategy so far has been KILL THE TURRETS and then just buzz around picking everything else off while arc dodging as much as possible.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

The Gate posted:

Agreed, Miranda is the big threat there. Between Corran and Dash, you should be able to kill her in a round, maybe 2. If she tries to joust Corran just bounce out of her arc so she can't shoot the missile at you. The B-Wing won't be able to do much to either of your ships. Kill the Warden second I would guess.

Wait, are secondary attacks limited to front arcs? I thought secondary attacks used the primary attack arc, which on Miranda is a 360 degree arc? Again, I'm still new to this, and just realized the other day that stress tokens take away your ability to "perform an action" but not free actions given by other abilities.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Gumdrop Larry posted:

It's not intuitive, but yes they do use the primary firing arc. The key thing though is that ships never have a 360 degree "arc," they can simply fire in any direction. They're still constrained by the static arc printed on their cardboard base like anyone else when it comes to secondary weapons or effects that are relative to something being in their firing arc or whatever else.

Just to clarify the second point too, stress does prevent all actions regardless of type, free or not.

Oh geez. Good to know I still am messed up on stress. Very stressful :v:

Okay, but on the k-wing, there is a rotating arrow printed on the cardboard base to indicate that there is a 360 degree arc? That made me think that secondary attacks would use that, as well. I know that's wrong, now, but I still don't see it based on the RAW.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

thespaceinvader posted:

The 360 arrow means 'primary weapon can fire 360 degrees'. The printed 45 degree arc on the base don't stop being firing arcs because of that.

Ok, so the rules are basically saying, for secondary attacks, use the arcs as indicated by the base, because that shows you the edges of the forward firing arc. That makes, sense, I guess.

Thanks for the help, guys.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Thundercloud posted:

Yeah. You buy everything eventually no matter what your intentions in the beginning.

Concentrate on a viable 100 point force for each side first. Two T-70 X wings are a good start.

To be fair two copies of the starter and a T-70 and a T-FO blister should get you two 100 point forces, though how good the FO side would be would be a matter of discussion.

I'm still a newb but TIE/fo feel really maneuverable with those janky bank flips they can do. I also really like Poe Dameron. I liked him in the movie, and in the game he seems to consistently get it done when he's on the table (BB-8 for barrel rolls is pretty sweet).

Q: what set is Artoo in? X-wing blister?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

lenoon posted:

Literally the first real list I've ever done. Trying to fit Poe, Jake and Keyan into a single list, but I think I've just made Jake very fast, but with no real hitting power:

Jake Farrell (24)
Push the Limit (3)
Chardaan Refit (-2)

Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)

Keyan Farlander (29)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
Kyle Katarn (3)
B-Wing/E2 (1)

Total: 98


I was trying something similar but I've been trying a Poe + Miranda list instead of Keyan... not sure what to do with the extra A-wing, really.

Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)
Autothrusters (2)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
Advanced SLAM (2)

Prototype Pilot (17)
Cluster Missiles (4)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

ZenMastaT posted:

Maybe it is just me but I don't really like putting torpedoes on Miranda - yeah it's cool that she can add a dice for an extra whallop but maneuvering her into a good firing solution is kinda tough. That said if you did do that, extra munitions might be cool - I mean people fly those things with Tacticians on them and that is even harder to hit with than a Proton Torpedo, forgetting the TL requirement.

I don't think I've ever put ordnance on an A-Wing that wasn't Proton Rockets, since they are so built for them - although launching Procks at PS 1 is a bit of a challenge. One silly version of your list I just put together is dropping torpedoes from Miranda, giving her Recon Specialist instead so you have focus available for both TLT shots. Then dropping the Prototype Pilot in favor of Gemmer Sojan with Chardaan Refit and Autothrusters. He's rarely used because he's pretty toothless, but an extra evade at range 1 plus AT means he probably isn't going to be a priority target and can hopefully sidle up behind someone and hang out there dropping 3 dice.

Not a super competitive idea but it seems fun to me haha

Also do you guys like Advanced SLAM without bombs? I feel like it's often less useful if you can't also drop a bomb at the end of your super move.

I like those ideas a lot. I'm pretty much the noobiest noob that ever noobed, so still trying to figure out what's good vs. what's merely ok.

I like Advanced SLAM just because I can perform another action if I decide to SLAM. But maybe I'm using SLAM wrong?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Tekopo posted:

So is the Star Wars LCG now dead? I thought they were having expansions for it still. And as well as that, they hadn't had releases with cards only even before Disney. Trying to deflect the blame to Disney doesn't seem logical. The reason why they haven't released card only is because they make more money from whales by forcing them to buy a model for cards.

Edit: afaik they got in trouble with IA because it was too much a board game and they are not allowed to do that. They are allowed to do card games in their agreement, just not board games

So, how in the hell are they not getting nuked for Star Wars Rebellion? "It has models, therefore it's not a board game" except that's exactly what it is. There's no mistaking it.

e: Even FFG calls it a board game.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, I have a tournament tomorrow, but I'm still a major noob. I was thinking of something like this:

Captain Oicunn (42)
Daredevil (3)
Ysanne Isard (4)
Rebel Captive (3)
Mara Jade (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Dauntless (2)

Captain Yorr (24)
Enhanced Scopes (1)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Intelligence Agent (1)
Tactician (2)
Ion Projector (2)

Total: 98

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I don't have Wingman upgrades, so I'm trying to use Yorr as a stress magnet for Oicunn. Without an Ace or something, though, my gut reaction is that a Poe list will rip right through this. The issue there is that I have no Autothrusters. Or maybe I should just bring two generic TIE/fo and just not worry about soaking stress off Oicunn?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Well, that's pretty much what I was thinking on Oicunn + Yorr.

Maybe I ought to do something like this:

Poe Dameron (31)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)
Weapons Guidance (2)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)

Jake Farrell (24)
Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Holy balls. Played in a casual tournament and every list was either Decimator + Ace or Poe + Aces. One exception was a Palpmobile.

But I am bloody sick of these droid regen builds. Played against a Corran Horn + R2, Regen Poe list that was super annoying. As a noob, I'm at a loss as to how to consistently defeat these regen lists short of making my own regen list. I don't have the cards for that yet, but even if I did it's super boring.

My list was Poe + BB8 (which was awesome and fun) with Miranda + Recon Spec. + TLT and any time I got some hurt on one of the Aces, they'd run away from Miranda, recharge shields, and then come back in and kill her. Then I'm down to Poe and an A-wing... ugh... kind of frustrating.

Heh, there was a Decimator + Redline build that was pretty bad. Lost as bad as I think Decimator + Lambda would've done.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Floppychop posted:

You're complaining about shield regen while running a ship with shield regen?

But the answer to fight it is basically alpha striking them or focusing them down in 1-2 rounds.

I wasn't sure what else to run, really.

I never did use the shield regen because by the time the shields got blown, she got nuked down.

But yeah, "shoot moar" is a pretty good tip, I guess.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

comrade corcus posted:

I was the guy playing that Decimator + Redline list, as for it being bad it was more fun than you would think.

f'real? you were at Rainbow?

I have a TIE punisher, but all of my punisher lists have been punisher + aces. What was your list?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
He's pretty inexpensive for all that, too, it seems.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Kai Tave posted:

There are two local game stores in my area, as in really local, the cleaner and nicer of which has tried to organize X-Wing (and Dice Masters) events before but nobody shows up, so it was basically the owner paying for a tournament kit that he then later just parceled out to a few interested people. The less clean place has also been trying to organize stuff but, again, no dice. On a good day there you can get three people playing, including myself. Both store owners have relayed that X-Wing does sell fairly decently for them, it's just apparently none of the people buying it are interested in playing anywhere but home.

Start a local X-wing facebook group. Go to each store and tell them to pimp the facebook group to anybody that comes in and buys X-wing stuff. That's what sucked me into the local events.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Tekopo posted:

I don't think you need predator with RAC. I've seen him with VI and EU and he's a slippery devil, and especially if you put rebel captive on him, arc dodgers are gonna hate him.

As a noob, why does rebel captive help against arc dodgers? Adding stress to the first ship to attack the Decimator? Is it because the arc dodgers are usually high PS that will be shooting first?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Otisburg posted:

Dangerous opinion: Chopper is a cooler astromech droid than BB-8.

I *really* like BB-8, but I do like Chopper just a little bit more, if for no other reason than he's a great example to give RPG players when they scoff at playing a droid character.

Noob opinion: So, it sounds like debris is a better obstacle than roids if your list has some stress management tech like Keyan?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

hoiyes posted:

Yeah, I only take debris if I'm running Dash, as if I'm not and there's a super dash, well 3 rocks are better than none.

But Dash ignores roids, too, right?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Holy balls, found a StarViper at the local Barnes and Noble. Considering that I haven't seen these online except for the inflated "other sellers" on amazon, I consider this a minor victory in my continuing campaign to spend all my dollars on plastic spaceships.

Also, when did B&N get all nerdy. They easily had better RPG and X-wing stock than any of the game or hobby stores in town.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I'm the same way. My Deathrains, let me show u them

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

hoiyes posted:

Also, doing some theory crafting, do you think the new Tie D title will bring Ruthlessness to the table competitively. Seems like it'd be pretty powerful on Vessery.

The title only works on Cannons with 3 or less point value. Is it worth it to downgrade from something like Heavy Laser Cannon to deal 2 damage to something at Range 1? And then if there's no enemies at Range 1 and only friendlies then you're kind of screwed and you wouldn't want to even do the second attack. Seems like it would be more of a handicap in a couple different ways there.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
That makes sense, I didn't even think about Tractor Beam.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Why no Omega Leader?

"Omega Leader" (21)
Juke (2)
Comm Relay (3)
Stealth Device (3)

Total: 29

He is really good.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Kai Tave posted:

Most Scum crew cards tend to be Scum only, I'd be surprised if Gonk bucked that trend.

In Rebels a gonk droid was a rebel courier, which would match up with the other Rebels content this wave, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's usable by rebel at least.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

The Lord of Hats posted:

I know that the Empire is completely awful, but TIE Fighters are just so cool :negative:

Disney, you need to release a new Star Wars space combat game right now, I need it so bad.

Bad news, Disney won't be releasing anything like that. If it happens, it comes from the black depths of EA.

But Tie Fighter was the better game between X-wing and Tie Fighter. X-wing Alliance is the best in the series, of course.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
More noob questions (forever noob)

So, does Adaptability help out the mid-range PS pilots very much?

Also, how is it worth having adaptability instead of an action EPT like PTL?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I'd be more mad about the 1-card thing if the ships were lovely but they're not so

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Tequila Ranger posted:

One of the game stores I go to is running "Episode IV Night" this week, a tournament restricted to 40 points of ships that appeared in ANH.

But not the currently available version of ANH, no, we wouldn't want anyone bringing a Hawk 209 because it was in the background in Mos Eisley in the special editions. The Origional Version of ANH, still only on Laser Disc or VHS. and not really easily aquired. Which would not be a problem except they dont actually say which ships are allowed, you have to bring your list and if someone calls you on your lack of nerd knowledge and can prove it you gotta pull your poo poo off the table because thats more fun than playing xwangs!


So basicly "gently caress You" if you dont have AND on Laserdisc hooked up to your 15 year old Trinitron.

Rather then play I think I'll wander around looking for Academy Swarms and try to get them declared Illegal; why would Trainees be stationed to a prestigious posting like the Death Star? Hopefully I'll start a fistfight.

Also lol at banning TLTs

The Laserdisc version of ANH came out on DVD in like '04. If, for some reason, you can't get those, then just google "star wars despecialized" and there you go.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Chill la Chill posted:

Lol good luck getting those at less than $100 each.

For real? Dang... time to dig those out and put 'em on ebay then

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Speaking of Boba Fett, I'm having a heck of a time finding Most Wanted so I can get those Scum cards (and the YZZ!)

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Aramoro posted:

Our local games shop just got some Most Wanted sets in, so supplier have it somewhere.

Hmm, maybe I better make another pass through the various FLGS here.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

JerikTelorian posted:

So this is probably a dumb loving idea, but apparently one of my local stores is having a tournament on the 23rd. I got the core set for Christmas and bought a bunch more stuff. I've played some "learn how to play the game" games with my family but really I don't know much about it. I'm thinking of entering just to have some fun with plastic spaceships. I fully expect to get trashed so I'm not really worried about putting together a pro list or anything.

Anyway, given that I have a theoretical familiarity with the rules (I poured over the manuals for fun because I am a nerd) and a bunch of plastic starships, is it insane to want to play my first "real" game in a tournament? Will I just gum up the works?

From reading the thread, I think I have enough sets to actually have a fun list, even if it's not perfect (and again, I have no expectations whatsoever of victory). I bought a bunch of ships mostly because Star Wars models are cool and fun, and I'm trying to find people to play with so that I can justify more plastic. Here's what I have:

- OT Core Set
- TFA Core Set
- X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing, B-Wing individual boxes
- Tie Fighter, Tie Interceptor, Tie Advanced individual boxes
- Rebel Aces
- Imperial Aces
- Millenium Falcon
- Lambda-Class Shuttle

I just think the Empire is cool, so I guess I'd prefer to fly Empire, but I think it's probably wisest to play whatever would be easy for a new player to manage.

Would I need to prepare a Rebel and an Imperial list for the tourney? Is it save to just dive in headfirst or should I really seek some more experience? If you could recommend one ship to get that would really push me into a cool and good list, what would it be (I'm guessing the Star Viper for authothrusters)? I'm tempted to just flat out order a Gozanti anyway because the thing owns bones.

(Also, this is in the Philly area, if there'a any Philly goons that play X-Wings)

I don't think this is dumb at all. You will learn a lot. Just explain to your opponent "hey I'm new, so if I screw up a rule, just let me know." The people I've played in my area have all been nice. If someone gets pissy about your newness, that's their problem, not yours.

Unless it's stipulated for the tournament that you need both lists, you will only need 1 list, rebel, imperial, or scum, and if you get matched up against the same faction you just play it out.

You already have a lot of good competitive ships, I think, esp. with Imp Aces and TIE Fighter. For myself, as a beginner, I still prefer to fly 2-3 ship lists. So, mostly that's Soontir Fel with other assorted aces. I don't personally like the Lambda shuttle very much, but you can run that, Fel, and Vader, and have some fun, I think.

e: Oh, and if you are looking at getting an epic ship, the Gozanti is cool, but it's geared towards swarms. I picked up an Imperial Raider, which has stacks of stuff to make TIE Advanced really good, and it comes with a TIE Advanced. It is more expensive, though, I think, but you might be able to find it cheaper online.

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jan 14, 2016

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

TheHoosier posted:

Tell me if this sucks because I'll be going to a LGS championship on the 6th:

Howlrunner
Swarm Tactics
Hull Upgrade

Omega Leader
Weapons Guidance
Marksmanship
Stealth Device

Zeta Leader
Weapons Guidance
Expose
Twin Ion Engine Mk II

Zeta Squadron Pilot
Weapons Guidance
Stealth Device


100 points exactly.

Not sure about Hull Upgrade.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

kingcom posted:

It's more they've just straight out said a lot of them aren't really big fans of that period so they've gone and designed stuff they've enjoyed. They rotate teams around as new staff comes on board and ultimately I wouldn't be surprise to see some come on who wants to pull a ship or two to reshape the meta or set up something new. Honestly going into that set for Scum & Villainy ships seems a good way to slip them in over time.

The prequel expansions for the Decipher CCG were the worst thing they ever sold for that game. The prequel starfighter games are empty and hollow-feeling compared to the glorious X-wing series. It's probably not impossible to create some expansions for X-wing from the prequels that don't totally suck, but since the source material is so shoddy, it's a lot of effort, and yeah, I bet there are a lot of people that will skip it just because it's the prequels.

And with a whole slate of yearly new movies, they will have a lot of new material to mine before they ever have to even think about going to the prequel well. Plus, it makes a lot more sense to capitalize on the new & shiny while the new movies are coming out and making billions.

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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

bunnyofdoom posted:

Note about the prequel stuff. Both named pilots for the yv-666 who aren't bossk are from the Clone Wars series.

Clone Wars doesn't count as prequels, or what I like to call p-canon.

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