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mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvocnP6X72A

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mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

DrBouvenstein posted:

All you people who bitched about French Toast Crunch cereal going way can shut up now:

http://www.blog.generalmills.com/2014/12/weve-got-big-news-about-french-toast-crunch/

It'll be gone within a year again after the initial nostalgia sales bump fades. Btw how is that resurgence of... er... SURGE doing? I think that one had a higher probability of long-term success since it was online-only.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Yes, a cable TV channel filled (during daytime hours) with crappy low-budget children's programming designed to sell products to a target demographic consisting of women aged 18-35 who have children is literally the 1990's incarnate. How could we have forgotten about it?

Oh, because we were all too busy staring at this:



Hahahaha this is the worst attempt to be cynically insightful I've seen in a while. Oh wait "seven levels of irony I was shitposting the whole time!"

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006


I've been casually searching for this lovely loving informercial for goddamn years. Thank you for ending my search.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

twistedmentat posted:

It kind of reminds me how the 90s was when conspiracy culture really took off. It had always existed, in self published books, and poorly photocopied stuff crazy people who try to hand you on the street. Suddenly you have black helicopters, men in black, cattle mutilations and other stuff being talked about as if it was a serious thing. The X-files was early in tapping into this, and there were a few shows that tried to get in on it, plus movies and books.

Everyone knew what Area 51 was, and suddenly it wasn't the Government secretly spying on citizens or knocking over foreign governments, they were now hiding the existence of Aliens and flying UFOs. You think there are lots of shows about this stuff now? There was a new one every day practically spouting off some new theory, or showing off new photos and videos. The main difference between then and now is it wasn't so whiney as it is today. Its all "why won't people believe my crazy theory?" and "scientists are mean because we won't take my story at face value with no evidence" then it was "look at this crazy thing!".

The dawn of the Internet is basically what really facilitated this culture and also why it died out pretty much immediately after the new Millennium. The internet was able to act as a way for previously disparate conspiracy theorists to connect and feed into each other's evidence while still being just the right mix of mainstream and underground to make any ol' rube feel dangerous without actually being dangerous. Other factors encouraged this feeling-- there were tech giants but it wasn't quite the Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook/Amazon hegemony most :911: citizens know the internet as today. Video was a relative rarity due to bandwidth and broadband infrastructure limitations. So in a world where grainy .jpgs, text chat, and maybe VoIP were the primary means of communication suddenly conspiracy theories can look a whole more plausible.

Come the year 2000 and Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and so on were basically securing the locks on what most of the public knew the internet as, and improving video software made it so conspiracy theorists could show themselves in all their truly batfuck insane glory. Sure a lot of them have survived, but it was like we had all been playing "government conspiracy" in a dark bar and the lights just went up and we realized that for the most part it was all make-believe. Then 9/11 hit and suddenly the entire country's focus shifted to the garbage on our plate and not the potential aliens sitting in Nevada.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Very true. Even so I doubt conspiracy theories against the US gov't would have taken route if crackpots were able to jump immediately to streaming video instead of cryptic "underground"-looking geocites and angelfire pages.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The Repo Man posted:

It seemed like it happened kind of quick, mostly due to lazy writing/loosing their best writers to other projects. At some point in the mid-late 2000's, they began bringing in tons and tons of special guests and wrote basically the same episode over and over. Intro with no relation to the rest of the story to pad time, Homer does something dumb and Marge gets mad, special guest and Lisa/Bart do something usually mildly related to what Homer is doing, Homer fixes the situation and Marge forgives him. There was some variety in there, but that was the bulk of episodes for a very long time. I haven't seen the Simpsons lately, so I don't know if they changed up the formula or not yet. Homer is probably the easiest character to write for.

Mid-late 2000s? That poo poo was happening as early as 1998.

whiteyfats posted:

I like Sublime :smith:

They were a solid band to have for certain occasions whose die-hard fans are absolutely insufferable.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Randaconda posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlKzihq__ks

Kinda forgotten nowadays, but I liked this song

Objectively it's good but something about Frat Rock activates some latent synesthesia in me and it's the aural equivalent of smelling your older brother's underwear.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

ookiimarukochan posted:

There was a Xena reboot (continuation?) in the works that was abandoned due to differences between the network and the creative team
My mind immediately went to "wouldn't let 'em be gay huh?"
Man college freshman me would be all over this poo poo in the mid-00s. It's a pity it's been nearly a quarter century and I can't imagine anyone gives a gently caress.

Mu Zeta posted:

Goldberg is 41 now. Ducks fly together :(




Somehow still has great hair.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The Lucky and Wild Arcade Cabinet is incredible and I can't believe that design didn't take more.



Focusing in hard on my arcade memories lately have renewed my anger at how loving much crap Midway games like Area 51 and Cruisn' World were everywhere in the late 90s.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It's almost like pre-internet media industries were centered around a few tiny spots if you wanted any sort of mainstream footprint

See: the music industry

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Angus wasn't any good right? I remember seeing some ads and thinking it looked alright, but then it was just like totally buried. It never even got nostalgia airtime and our generation will revivify loving anything.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The WB/CW network used to be a goldmine for that in the 90s and 00s because whatever clothing sponsors they had would put the most ridiculous poo poo on the actors. Buffy/Charmed was the pinnacle.

OutOfPrint posted:

People in their 30's always start buying nostalgic stuff they couldn't afford as teenagers, which is why fads and styles come in 20 year cycles. That means we're about due for a pop-punk revival leading into nu metal any day now if I remember being in high school correctly.
Where you been old man? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-8TCDrbV8

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

OutOfPrint posted:

Are the kids still saying, "Thanks, I hate it?"
35 Million views. Someone likes it.

I actually don't hate it. It's corporate pop-punk man, we've had two decades to make peace with what its deal is

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Honestly I thought it handled the drama well because it helps round Daria and Jane out as characters. No one else was done well, but I mean it was still better than your average dreck.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Killingyouguy! posted:

Im too young to have seen Daria as it was airing but I got the DVD set when I was the right age to appreciate the show and maybe it's bc I don't know what I'm missing but I thought it was perfectly watchable
It is, but as someone who both saw original airings and got the DVDs it is missing that zeitgeist-y flavor that only really comes from MTV being able to throw "No Surprises" on the soundtrack for 30 seconds or what have you. It dates the show in a good way.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

twistedmentat posted:

I always felt a part of Daria was because she fully understood her privlidge and was powerless to do anything about it.

And yea the DVDs missing the music really brings them down. It's like Mission Hill not having Blue Monday at Ron's party, it just does not have the same feeling.
I never felt she fully understood it, no white suburban teenager really can without a degree of firsthand experience. I know I didn't. A big part of her insecurity in the series finale is that she didn't get into the Ivy League proxy her rich boyfriend goes to without him pulling strings, instead of the "nice" second-tier liberal arts school that most people would kill to get into, and she only feels better after her mother literally sits her down and says "You're going to a much better school than I went to, and I turned out ok."

Granted with hindsight that statement is Boomer af because Daria's gonna enter the workforce right before the 08 Recession, but at the time it made sense.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I liked the Muppets Kokomo thing. It was cute.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

twistedmentat posted:

Also the most blantant "yea we're all high as poo poo on E all the time" song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b2T8K2D-ps

Was gonna straight up chump you if it was anything other than Ebeneezer Goode

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

KHLAV KALASHNIKOV posted:

I wanted to say the Geo Tracker was the Most ‘90s Car but it came out in ‘89. The Suzuki X-90, however, is ‘90s as gently caress.


See also: Isuzu VehiCROSS ~or~ if cars and sneakers were the same thing


So 90s this started playing the instant I looked at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuRIjMcRGE0

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Almost all cultural shifts in a decade begin shortly before/after the chronological start. Some decades are easier to spot than others-- 1991, 2001, 1960, 1929, and 1941 are very obvious cutoff points, for example, while you might argue that the 2010s didn't really change gears until Obama's re-election in 2012 or even later until the sea change of Trump in 2015. You could even argue that the 80s began early around 1977-8 and people just don't want to admit it.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I'd argue it began with Star Wars in '77. Like yeah there's still a lot of stuff we consider very culturally 70s left in 77-79, but unless Disco and early SNL is absolutely critical to defining the 70s for you it's hard to deny that most of what we consider 80s domestic culture was already in strong gear.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Sweevo posted:

Another iteration of this happened with computers in the mid-late 90s to early 2000s. People would buy those giant workstation things that were basically a big cupboard you put the computer in with doors to hide it away in when it wasn't being used. I'm sure everyone has parents/grandparents who had one of these things in the corner of the dining room with a lovely supermarket-bought PC in it:



...every crevice stuffed full of AOL CDs and unread manuals, and a printer right where you want to put your legs.

And then Gen-Xers and Millennials who:

1. Didn't have money, especially right away

2. Knew what the gently caress terms like "airflow" and "dust" meant

Immediately threw that poo poo in the trash.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Sting is the epitome of a guy who on-paper seems cool as gently caress but outside of his young work all of his stuff is a Boomer afternoon nap given sentience.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It is really hard to properly appreciate how loving futuristic that z-axis and pseudo-fidelity was. MYST and DOOM were like goddamn bombs getting dropped on our eyes.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Yeah Empire Records isn't bad-bad, but I mean, it's basically the primordial soup that Mall Punk like Blink 182 and Sum 41 came from, and all the corporate "faux rebelliousness" that implies. Airheads wasn't amazing but aged way better, plus it's just fun to see Adam Sandler do a supporting role in anything.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I remember laughing about Boomers still having AOL accounts in 2011 and some Boomer at my job getting genuinely offended "Well I still use an AOL account!" like I was going to be apologetic

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

He started on Channel Awesome/That Guy with the Glasses where everyone had a Muppets-style gimmick, plus he (wisely) doesn't want his actual face out there.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I think it still exists, technically. I know that the worst of them-- The Nostalgia Critic-- is still being god-awful and fooling 12 year-olds somewhere out there.

Others started their own solo YT stuff like Todd and are good. Lindsay Ellis in-particular is way better now that she isn't following the lead set by that simpering midwestern know-nothing.

My plug goes to Movie Nights aka Allison Pregler, though. She's been doing an episode-by-episode recap of Baywatch since 2015 (including Baywatch NIGHTS) and while it won't be to everyone's tastes I love it. I never watched the show in the 90s and even in the 21st Century it can be hard as a straight guy to look past the pandering, so it's genuine fun to see a straight woman cut through the bullshit and focus in on all the terrible Oreo Cookie that surrounds the cheesecake filling on the show. The show was loving bonkers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVcsEYeJV54

Highlights include:

The time Baywatch made fun of the very idea of Baywatch NIGHTS a solid 4 years before NIGHTS existed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo3yq8PEZKQ

The one with all the Homeless People:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbjMx7aHN9c

The Gilligan's Island Crossover Special:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW_VgXgUixw

Pamela Anderson's Introductory Episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YUaEUTu2Hk

The back-to-back episodes where David Hasslehoff becomes a paraplegic, gets better, and then becomes a kickboxer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROF7Doffw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkXWrkJB_c

A cowboy lifeguard who is going blind, meanwhile David Hasselhoff's kid befriends wrestler Jorge Gonzalez who is being held as a sideshow attraction in a literal cage and carves wooden pelicans (complete with custom theme song):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfT523NEYRw

The Octopus that steals surfboards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkTqAyoggg8

Carrie Ann-Moss is a deranged serial killer obsessed with David Hasselhoff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJKhmdDr6c

Christmas Elves and Santa are 100% real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWzVmO_EQs8

Little Richard runs a shack and speaks exclusively in song lyrics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2nAMQ5aPRQ

Blind kids in a forest fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTexIP1cAtM

David Haselhoff adopts a street orphan who works for a Dickensian Crime Lord:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSODBezICv4

Yasmine Bleeth gets a man killed and becomes a bad girl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tag42Pfl9T0

An episode that is one half WCW match and one half "I was just diagnosed with cancer:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjbjwPgHaBY

And quite literally dozens of others including but not limited to:
  • Multiple episodes with ghosts
  • Aliens
  • Casino Ship Vigilantes
  • Danny Trejo
  • Bryan Cranston
  • Charlie's Angels
  • Alzheimer's
  • Roller-blade gangs
  • David Hasselhoff becomes a Gigolo
  • David Hasselhoff has to infiltrate a basketball gang
  • Teenage Native American shaman magic
  • David Hasselhoff dates a literal Princess
  • Multiple roles from Giraldo Rivera

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

wesleywillis posted:

Another song that I have a soft spot for. Weren't The New Radicals in some sort of feud with Third Eye Blind or Matchbox 20?
There were the ones who gave poo poo to Beck and Hanson, Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson. "You're all fake run to your mansions. Come around? We'll kick your rear end in!"

So yeah they didn't make a ton of friends, but honestly what sounded like a super sad story of a one-hit wonder is actually really interesting. Go watch that video.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Not in any respectable circles, but there was definitely a retrograde perception that Amos and "Lilith Fair" stuff was "for lesbians" because they were overall very LGBTQ-friendly.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Sir Lemming posted:

I figure it's more because feminism = you hate men = lesbian.
I was saying that euphemistically.

TITANKISSER69 posted:

A bit odd considering she warned people about Harvey Weinstein.
I would bet money he was involved on some level with her movie career flaming out so she was being petty.

Ambitious Spider posted:

A lot of anti-Courtney stuff is clearly misogyny
I remember some of the slams on her drifted to that territory "She's the Ho from Hole," but honestly I never got the impression it was because she was a woman. It was because she was an obvious leech, even though almost paradoxically she's not a terrible actress.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It does seem to be a case where the most prominent early voices in bi/pan communities were those who were super into sleeping around for one reason or another and it really jaundiced the people already disposed to be possessive jackasses. "Oh so now you're telling me I need to be worried about everyone as a sexual rival!?!?!?!"

And that trickled into media portrayals where again the most prominent bi representation is always that they're the most promiscuous, and it becomes a feedback cycle.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I say this with love-- there is no force on this earth quite as arrogant as a nurse.

Most of them are genuinely chill people who know their wheelhouse and avoid overstepping their bounds, but ask any of them and they'll tell you about the 20% that "knows better" than everyone.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

Deadwood is something I missed out on until recently but Powers Boothe is an evil gently caress in both

He's just so, western
He also played a hell of a telepathic gorilla:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk6YpnWbOXw

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006


Still going, Yes, Very easily, and Yes.

Randaconda posted:

hot take: Wayne's World (both of them) aged way better than the Austin Powers movies

Of course. Austin Powers is wedded to two extremely specific bygone cultural eras and while some of the jokes are still good most of them are extremely context-dependent. If you don't know who or what the gently caress James Bond is all about and what the US was like in the late 90s then you're reliant on catchphrases and potty humor to carry you through. It's not all bad or anything but it ends up feeling like a time capsule in the bad ways. For all its pastiche it comes across as remarkably unsentimental and everything is at such a high level of cartoon artifice that it ends up being entirely superficial.

Wayne's World 1 and 2 are also extremely early 90s creations, but there's enough heart and universal appeal in the slacker story that it feels like a time capsule in the good ways. Jokes like Bohemian Rhapsody, fighting the father with dubbing, and "I will bow to no sponsor" are drat near evergreen even if you don't know what the gently caress Nuprin was or ever once watched a Hong Kong action flick. I can't say how it would play to a Zoomer, but now I want to try it out just to see.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

That was one of those songs which was so blisteringly stupid I assumed it had to have some from the 50s or 60s like Ray William Johnson but nope... 1998 of all loving things

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Pretty good posted:

Still bitter I didn't get to experience life as a spoiled 90s teen with a bedroom TV/video games + my own desk + walls covered in posters tbh
loving right? I didn't grow up so poor that my family didn't have food/clothes, but once in 1999 I went to a rich kid's house and it was like "what the gently caress this isn't just some TV bullshit, you actually live like this?"

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Mu Zeta posted:

Independence Day has so many scenes that just drags it down to a boring crawl. I think it really doesn't hold up outside of the Will Smith/Goldblum scenes and of course the independence day speech. Special effects still look good because of the miniature work.
I don't like Independence Day and I really don't like Roland Emmerich, but it's easily his masterpiece and despite being a really stupid movie filled with ugly stereotype it just clicks.

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mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I grew up in a household with a single mother, two young gay boys, and me. If it wasn't coming down slow and easy via MTV, the radio, or friends I straight-up did not know about it. Then when p2p hit in the 00s I mostly spent it catching up with indie poo poo to impress girls and anime/video game soundtracks because we all go through that phase. I didn't really learn about poo poo like Alice in Chains until I was a goddamn adult and I hate that.

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