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Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Civil posted:

Also:

Phones that matter, but you're poor:

Moto G LTE - Usually around $200 or less.

For use with AT&T/Tmobile/derivatives, not Verizon/Sprint/derivatives.

Isn't the 2013 Moto X a better choice?

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Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Desk Lamp posted:

There's really no reason not to have the option to, I doubt it would be too complicated. Then again there's no reason on screen buttons shouldn't be customizable either yet they aren't.

As a developer, every time I hear this I weep.

Yes it would be complicated.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Sir Unimaginative posted:

OG Nexus 7 (the WiFi-only version, anyway) now has 5.0.2 (LRX22G) available for sideload direct from Google. I don't know if it's available OTA; someone else will have to check that.

I can report that, at least as a :pt: sideload, it's finally ready for prime time (insofar as a 2012 Nexus 7 ROM can be).

Note that installing this the way that page tells you to will wipe goddamn everything, including the user storage.

Post-lollipop update, our N7 slowly deteriorated from rebooting several times per hour to just sitting at the boot animation forever and I just have no desire to put in to janitoring the thing back to life. Thanks Google.

Oh, this belongs in the tablet thread.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Melmac posted:

Agreed! Which reminds me. Someone told me using the Nova Launcher could cause some Moto stuff to not work properly. Has anyone found that to be true?

I can't think of any reason this would be true. I've certainly used Nova ever since I got my 2013 X a year ago and haven't had any issues.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

r0ck0 posted:

I can't believe you people are worried about branding and pissing of marketing people. Did you get your phone for free in a sponsorship deal? You love your corporate overloads that much you are afraid of offending them?

Do you think windows had such a problem implementing a theme system? You can change the window frame color and adjust transparency with very little difficulty in windows. Now that apps are trying to conform to the material design specs you think they are not going to add OS wide themes in a future android release? Its only a matter of time until this option is available and what are you going to say then?

No one was saying they were worried about branding and pissing of marketing people. They were mentioning another reason system level themeing of apps isn't likely to happen. In fact like one person in this thread (RZA Encryption) would be offended (or whatever) by the inclusion of system themeing, everyone else who talked about it have just mentioned why it's not likely to happen.

Chill out man!


Also, how the gently caress do you spell "themeing".

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

r0ck0 posted:

Christ that sucks, whats the fix for the future?

There's nothing broken to fix.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

r0ck0 posted:

I meant how can you fix it in the future if you leave work and go on a road trip. Is there a way to turn it off or stop it from doing that?

Yes, he turned commute sharing on. If you're going on a road trip from work, then you turn it off.

They should probably make it so it turns off if you go so far off the route to your home address, but that's a pretty far off edge case.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

ThermoPhysical posted:

I don't know if I could recommend a Moto since their customer service seems horribly lacking ever since Lenovo picked them up...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/2q46xg/more_moto_customer_service_horror_stories_cracked/

Luckily, an employee of Motorola stepped in but that just seems really lovely and I'd rather not go through that if my Moto phone broke.

A few bad incidents does not a trend make.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Bob A Feet posted:

I have the commuter and while not gorgeous it does the job which is to keep me from dinging up this beauty

Whose beauty you now cannot see.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Ochowie posted:

Hey Android thread. I'm considering switching from an iPhone 6+ to either an N6 or a Moto X. I have the N6 on order but I'm not sure about a phone bigger than the 6+. Also, I kind of like the Moto Maker option with the Moto X. What are the general thoughts on which of the two phones to get?

It's a toss-up really. The camera in the N6 is supposed to be better I think, but you don't get all the cool Moto stuff.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

kazmeyer posted:

So I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Moto G LTE, and when doing a quick Google search to make sure I'm getting the right version, I see all this noise about the 2nd gen Moto G LTE leaked on a Brazilian site. I've been using babby's first prepaids before this so I don't have any idea what release cycles are like; could the updated LTE phone be coming out anytime soon, or is this a "couple quarters away" kind of situation?

Also look around for a 2013 Moto X. They're not much more and are a lot better device.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

LastInLine posted:

This is exactly the kind of thing that keeps Apple users Apple users. I don't know if you're just unfamiliar with how well Continuity and Handoff work or if you actually believe AirDroid isn't a horrible hack in comparison.

... or he was suggesting what he thought was the closest thing in Android land.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

LastInLine posted:

Even then it's very much not the same thing. It doesn't do anything that Continuity does at all. It does SMS at your desktop when you've got a webpage open on the same Wi-Fi network kind of.

To actually address the concerns of the person asking, it might be helpful to point out that Google's reliance on web services mean that everything is always in sync between devices all the time anyway (assuming you use Google services--it falls apart quickly when you don't use GMail or Drive).

As for SMS there are a few solutions, most far more convenient than AirDroid, but all requiring some adjustment from the Mac side of things to make it work.

A one line throw out of "use AirDroid" is neither informative nor particularly helpful given the question.

He didn't say "use Airdroid". He said "try out AirDroid", which is an important difference.

I mean, it's a bad post because it's one line without context, but that's a bad post anywhere and doesn't have anything to do with anything Apple users or Android users or gadgets or whatever.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

I don't know if they're always this price, but I just came across these 2013 Moto X 32GB Developer Editions for $200.

If I was buying a new phone now, there's a good chance this is still the phone I would buy even if current flagships were in my budget.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

robodex posted:


[edit] Also this sort of poo poo is inexcusable considering these memory issues were prevalent throughout the beta. People were reporting them since day 1 and they still never fixed them. It's broken as poo poo and I'm at the point where I'm saving up to go back to iPhone.
I'm very forgiving of bugs. Software is hard.

But I've got to agree that the state of Lollipop at release was inexcusable if the problems are as widespread as they seem to have been.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Decius posted:

Well, the N7 2012 is approaching 3 years of lifetime, and it was only a middling SoC in the first place. My iPad 4, which is of the same generation, only with about 2.5 times the computing power isn't doing great under iOS 8 either (although it aged better than the N7 - for 300 € more it better be!). 2012 to 2014 was still a lot of development and improvement in terms of computing power in mobile devices. Only this generation (SD 800/A8 and forward) has it slowed down a lot in favour of better power management.

Which is why it was not appropriate for Google to update the 2012. They took a perfectly fine device and made it objectively worse.

Of course if they hadn't, people would have complained about not updating it, but Google should have just dealt with it.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

ilkhan posted:

Or we can stop arguing and just want both (and a fuckoff huge battery) in our phones. Wireless charging is good, quick charging is good. Doing both would be better.

Sorry dude. Whichever my phone has is better.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Require More Fire posted:

My big gripe about Google Photos backups is that there's no dedicated place to go and see just photos that you had backed-up, nor is there a way to bulk download just those photos. When you go on the web you get your backup stuff plus any dumb thing you've ever posted to G+/Hangouts.

Yes, this is the worst.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

baka kaba posted:

Dunno about bulk downloads, but if you go to your pics and click in the search box you get an Auto Backup category

Oh. Nice.

Certainly not where I'd think to look for that, but oh well...

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

hotsauce posted:

I have over 16k photos in my Google+ upload account. Of them, I somehow had *one* pic of some topless chick I must have downloaded from Reddit a few years ago. I just don't save/upload porn to my photos.

Was cleaning junk out the other day and noticed the pic with a little triangle and and exclamation point on it. I clicked on it and it said it had been flagged for unacceptable content.

I have zero shared photos.

Who the gently caress flagged it?? :stare:

Lemmie guess...algorithms, right? Lets hope google employees aren't combing through everyone's non shared photos right guys?

I understand the TOS but its not like I'm storing terabytes of porn on my account. One single photo was all. Somehow it was found and flagged.

Yes, there's someone going through your 16000 photos looking for the one single topless photo in it all.

Of course it's loving algorithms.

That's also how come you can search for "yellow couch" and it will show you all your photos with a yellow couch in them. There's not a bunch of dudes there going through billions of photos describing the content of them all just so you can search them.

Related: http://googleresearch.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/a-picture-is-worth-thousand-coherent.html

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:

I always though Amazon Mechanical Turk was sort of the backend for a lot of the development for these services. Like there's a log of algorithmic analysis, but a portion are sent to real people for verification.

No, it's all algorithms.

Well, I mean, if something is flagged by algorithms for child porn, I guess that's probably sent to someone for verification (what a horrible, terrible, disgusting job).

There's no point in sending it to real people. Modern image analysis algorithms are amazing.

I guess maybe non-google services that don't have the engineering chops to program something like that might farm it out to China, but I dunno.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Skeezy posted:

I dunno if it'll work

I do know.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

I've said before several times in this thread that I don't really care about the camera of my phone. They all seem good enough to me for the vast majority of purposes

However, my wife talked me into getting a nice camera (Sony a5100 if you care) and I took it on vacation with us this month. I still feel the same, except for one thing. A nice camera makes it easier to get a good enough picture in a wider variety of circumstances...like low light and fast motion.

I don't use enough devices to know if going from a mediocre camera like my 2013 Moto X to a really nice phone camera is enough of an improvement to negate those advantages. I mean, I can't imagine an iPhone or Note 4 camera is as good as a nice real camera in these difficult situations, but maybe they're good enough.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Splinter posted:

upgrade worries
Get the 2013 X.

Who cares if you decide to upgrade sooner when the device is only 200?

I moved to the X from a GNex. It's a massive upgrade.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Guillermus posted:

I'm curious about touchwiz haters (I don't like it but I can stand something like the note 4 version, rooted and with less bloat :v:) if Samsung finally decides to go closer to AOSP.

What do you mean you're curious?

I mean, if they hate TW, and TW goes away, then....what are you saying again?

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

bull3964 posted:

HTC isn't going to hit their own 90 day benchmark for Lollipop. They blame Google's buggy first rollout.

http://www.droid-life.com/2015/01/30/htc-wont-hit-90-day-lollipop-promise-on-all-one-variants/

My inclination is to not believe anything any of these OEM's say, but I got to say this time I believe them.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Skeezy posted:

Kinda wish I could edit in the sources it pulls from. Like I want Now to pull Android news but not from Christian News or IBTimes

Yeah, what the gently caress is up with that. Stop sending me stories from them. God drat, Google.

edit: why the hell do I keep double posting

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

stickyfngrdboy posted:

It because your an idiot

Well, yeah.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Vykk.Draygo posted:

Is the Moto X (2014) a big enough upgrade from the Moto X (2013) to bother with the hassle of trying to sell the '13 and pay an additional $200+ on top of that, or is it mostly a screen size increase and slightly better internals?

I'll put it like this: I had the 2014 for a week or so and returned it because it was too large. I went back to my 2013. While there was speed/smoothness improvements, it wasn't mind blowing or anything.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Skeezy posted:

So there's a new Xposed being made or at least the systems are similar to Xposed. For right now it's called "El Pollo" (I know what this means but I have no idea if it's some weird XDA in joke or something). It's currently in private testing and being made by "HomerSP" and "N.Russell" who are both guys who ran a dev group called Villian ROM also XDA I guess I don't know. Either way it's legit and here's a link:

http://www.landofdroid.com/2015/xposed-style-framework-for-lollipop-in-beta-testing/

Take it as you will but whatever. Nothing really to get excited over yet.

root thread, please.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

whatever7 posted:

Funny nobody calles it "security nightmare" one year ago.

not even wrong

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Tunga posted:

For some reason all the retractable USB cables I can find have horribly garish logos on them that look like trade show giveaways. Also considered braided cables but they are all ridiculous bright colours!

I've struggled with this whole idea in the past and gave up on it. I do use some USB charger hubs to good effect (I think they're Anker ones with 5 or 6 ports...I don't have it in front of me), but the retractable cables don't do much to clean up the mess because they just kind of dangle there and they only retract reliably for awhile before you've got to start messing with them to get them to retract.

There are different boxes and things you can get that you can store the whole mess in and only stick the end of the cables out. Kind of like this one that I don't really like the looks of but was the first result for a Google of "charging station".

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Massasoit posted:

In thinking $50 instead of $300+ would be better. Particularly for something that I have to do, but not every day.

Yeah, $50 is cheaper, but a $100 chromebook is like so much better its not even funny.

For $125, I bought a refurbished Acer C720p which is arguably the best Chromebook, and I love the thing.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Massasoit posted:

I have a Nexus 5 as my very first smartphone and it's running lollipop 5.0.1. Seems to work great to me (with no other reference points besides fiddling with the occasional iOS device). I'm seen a lot of complaints about having to restart a phone and I guess I just don't get what the issue is. Can't stop watching that anime for two minutes to restart the phone?

edit: still poo poo at typing with swipe writing after 3 weeks.

"Is it really that big of a deal that your car which previously worked fine came back from the dealer and the windshield wipers now stop working unless you turn them off and on a few times?"

Well, in one sense its not a big deal. I mean, thousands of kids are dying from preventable diseases. On the other hand, the phone used to work fine.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

wooger posted:

no one from Motorola is reading this thread

This part is untrue.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

bull3964 posted:

Incorrect. On all my devices, mine were set to auto backup with no restrictions (I'm on unlimited, I don't give a gently caress.) I still got the notice on all of them.

I haven't gotten any sort of notification about auto backup. I turned it on the day it originally became available and haven't looked at the settings since.

This made the notification on my wife's phone confusing to me because I had never even heard of time-sensitive backups and neither had she, so when she asked me about it I didn't know what the gently caress.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

I like how Facebook literally has something like a thousand mobile engineers and they can't seem to get a decent app out.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Ihmemies posted:

Does anyone have spare 64GB OPO invites left? I could use one :)

You shouldn't.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Desk Lamp posted:

Someone used to the iPhone and sensible design should have an even easier time finding it.

What.

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Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

bull3964 posted:

Lenovo's malware debacle (or rather, their lack of self awareness as to why people see it as a debacle) has really started to make me doubt the long term prospects of Motorola.

I know I certainly will never be buying a Lenovo PC again, I just hope Motorola remains very distinct and separate from everything else.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

The whole thing is quite disappointing.

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