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Here we are again, in a brand spanking new US Politics Discussion thread for April 2015, where keeping discussion on topic is like herding cats... Budgets and gay bashing and entitlement reform and mandatory Ted Cruz/Bibi Netanyahu speeches (take your pick), oh my! What a month it's been, and it's only getting better as Republicans continue to stymie Republicans at every turn. Oh well, at least there's still two out of three functioning branches of government. Too bad Obama's done just about everything he can as president, and SCOTUS has done just about everything they can to do the opposite. Yes, that's right, the country is still going down the tubes, faster than ever. Yes, that’s right, the country is still going down the tubes, and faster than ever. And this thread is your ticket to the fun! Just head on down the train to Acceleration Station, show your ticket to friendly conductor John Boehner, and away we go! 114th Congress Bingo Card Every month it's worth reviewing what the 114th Congress is up to. After all, it's the cause of any number of hangovers over the past few months, and it's always worth reminding ourselves of drunken stupors both long past and yet to come.
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# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 08:01 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:So with Ted's announcement and the others soon to follow, when will GOP primary season officially be in full swing, May? June? The first debate in 2011 was in May. The first "official" debate this go around is August, but who knows, we might get a Newsmax or Values Voters debate this cycle too that no one can turn down. EDIT: Oh hey, in "news that probably belongs in the Middle East thread", look what Obama just did. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Apr 1, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 08:24 |
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SubponticatePoster posted:Catching up on the new thread and good job Cosmo for using a Pat Bagley cartoon, the guy's great. He used to mostly just draw funny cartoons relevant to local culture but as time went on he's gone more and more bugfuck (in a good way). Guess that's what happens when you're a liberal in Utah. I still need to get me a copy of Pat and Kirby Go to Hell.. Came across it in the Political Cartoons thread when reviewing cartoons from the last month to find the best ones to drop in, and there was no way I could pass on that McConnell caricature.
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# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 20:55 |
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Joementum posted:Anyway, the DoJ just handed down their indictment of Senator Menendez and he's scheduled a press conference for 7pm. Note that if Menendez resigns or even goes on leave, Lynch's nomination is dead. Heck, it's already dubious because his being indicted is a conflict of interest when it comes to confirming the person who will prosecute him.
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# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 21:23 |
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site posted:One less Democrat in the Senate... Not that it'll matter much anyways :/ Loretta Lynch was due to be confirmed in a 50-50 vote with Biden deciding. This now means Lynch will not be confirmed 49-50.
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# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 21:26 |
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CommieGIR posted:As climate change starts to hit home. I don't think California is the center of climate change opposition. Maybe ask all those eastern states who got tons of snow and cold who are asking "if global warming why cold?" EDIT: California's been dealing with 80 degree days in January when it's usually in the 60s. And while we got something like 70% of the normal precipitation in a year in parts of the north, none of it fell as snow, so snowpack is at record lows, something like 5% of normal when it should be the deepest it gets all year. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 1, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 21:50 |
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This was apparently discussed in the drug legalization thread when the topic first came up in February, but it's come up again today and it seems worth bringing up in this thread... Colorado lawmakers have been forced to send a question to the voters in order to hold on to the $60 million of marijuana taxes because their Taxpayer's Bill of Rights requires the state to send refund checks to all citizens if the state raises more money than they budget for, even though the marijuana tax itself has not been quite as successful as was originally thought.
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# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 05:50 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:What's stopping them from writing a budget that says 'we expect X amount but are budgeting for Y which is bigger than X' so they can just keep the money? Because the expectations are explicitly set by statute when taxes are passed. Wikipedia posted:Under TABOR, state and local governments cannot raise tax rates without voter approval and cannot spend revenues collected under existing tax rates without voter approval if revenues grow faster than the rate of inflation and population growth. Revenue in excess of the TABOR limit, commonly referred to as the "TABOR surplus", must be refunded to taxpayers, unless voters approve a revenue change as an offset in a referendum.
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# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 06:19 |
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Fried Chicken posted:"We know the solution to the problem by we don't want to do it so we will wait until it is a catastrophe and then still drag our feet" is basically post Carter America in a nutshell and it is the number 1 thing that pisses me off day in and day out. All the poo poo we fight over, we know how to solve it. We just don't because, well, because. And none of it is hard. It is a lot of work, and in some cases expensive, but it isn't hard. Going to the moon, that was hard. We had to invent whole new branches of science to do that. Unfucking our land use policies to knock down barriers to urban growth is easy, it's a series of procedural votes by a few dozen fools to repeal existing rules. But that would cost money! And big government!
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# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 18:39 |
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Joementum posted:How to make a cocktail, according to the US Department of Agriculture Forrest Service, 1974. quote:NOTE: Pour each ingred. slowly over rounded side of tsp. or down a glass rod. If liquids mix while pouring use alternate name. Now we just need a couple Republicans decrying such spurious government spending on something only D&D would love and we're all set.
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# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 16:13 |
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PupsOfWar posted:"I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative" is a super common political position in the Middle, particularly among suburbanites, professionals and the white youth (though these might not articulate their position as such). The GoP can drastically increase its appeal among these people if it moderates its social platform. Never underestimate the twin rhetorical powers of "T-T-T-TAXES!" and "the federal budget is just like a household budget" (because an analogy is just so much easier to get your head around even if it's wrong). Fiscal conservatism and "taxpayer rights" aren't going away.
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# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 16:06 |
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Joementum posted:Neither is the culture war. While true, I suppose what I was getting at is that, while the culture war will continue, Republican strength will likely successfully shift to economic (EDIT: and defense; the meme is so entrenched that Democrats will never be known as strong on the military no matter how many ISIS-held hillsides Obama or Hillary bomb) issues to stay relevant as a national party so long as public opinion on major hot-button culture war issues other than abortion keeps swinging to the left. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 4, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 16:15 |
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notthegoatseguy posted:It depends on what you mean by culture war. LGBT issues, particularly same sex marriage, has a huge support in the under 40 generation. But abortion and gun control issues are not polling anywhere close to support of same sex marriage. Abortion yes, gun control, on the other hand, is a weird beast. While you're right that, generally speaking, that's not gonna change, those calling for stricter gun laws have made a plurality of voters except for a short period from 2010-2011, and on issues other than banning handguns, polls typically find support for concrete gun reforms like magazine restrictions, the assault weapons ban or expanded background checks in the 60s or higher. In other words, gun control has been politicized much as Obamacare has. As long as you don't call it what it is, people are generally for it. EDIT: Hell, even banning armor-piercing bullets has strong support, but because it's easier to lose votes by tying it to gun control than to win votes from passing it, the ATF backs down. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Apr 4, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 16:39 |
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ThirdPartyView posted:Bo is no Checkers. Bo* is a bad dog. Bo likes to get up on the table and knock cereal onto the floor and eat it when no one is looking. Based on my experiences, I cannot recommend a vote for Barack Obama, because he owns a dog named Bo. * My dog's name; not named for Bo Obama.
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# ¿ Apr 5, 2015 21:33 |
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PupsOfWar posted:How can you attack your opponent for being a Louisville fatcat if you are yourself a Louisville fatcat? Say they voted for Obama. EDIT: In actual news, Kansas effectively banned all abortions after 12-14 weeks today. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Apr 8, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 8, 2015 07:13 |
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FourLeaf posted:If he get the death penalty, would that actually result in an execution? Basically, is Massachusetts like California or like Texas? I believe these are Federal charges, so In this case, yes.
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# ¿ Apr 8, 2015 19:28 |
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Florida's House is currently debating a bill which would effectively extend RFRA-like protections to state-funded adoption agencies, allowing them the freedom to refuse adoptions to gay couples in response to a lawsuit that struck down a state law which prohibited all gay adoptions. In a move that should surprise no one, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee unceremoniously shut down testimony from a 10-year-old adopted by the family responsible for the lawsuit when his time was up, rather than granting him a few minutes to finish.
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# ¿ Apr 8, 2015 23:29 |
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North Carolina contemplates one weird trick to restrict abortion. OB/GYNs hate it!quote:On top of extending the waiting period for an abortion to 72 hours and banning anyone but OB-GYNs from performing abortions, the bill also bans the University of North Carolina and East Carolina University from providing abortion training to medical students.
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# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 15:57 |
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JT Jag posted:He came up the ranks in Baltimore, which can certainly have an effect on your view of how crime should be handled. In other respects he is both socially progressive and has championed tax increases to deal with deficit shortfalls. Just a reminder that David Simon used O'Malley as one of the models for this guy: EDIT: Funny that some people think we should go from a president who enjoys The Wire to a president who was all but literally a character in The Wire.
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# ¿ Apr 10, 2015 20:16 |
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FilthyImp posted:I'm about to reveal a shockingly stupid ignorance of things here, but if everyone is always concerned about evil nuclear scientists cobbling bombs together, why doesn't the UN or whatever have a multinational Nuclear Corps. That staffs and regulates nuclear plants in... delicate areas? Imagine a world where the Baruch Plan had actually been accepted and implemented.
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# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 01:21 |
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Gyges posted:Out of curiosity, are any Republicans even aware that the negotiations with Iran are not two party negotiations but include 5 other countries? I understand most of this is two parts Obama is for a thing and one part Bibi is against a thing, but they seem completely unaware that if China, Russia, France, Germany, and the UK all agree to the deal it really doesn't matter how much we hold our breath and stick our fingers in our ears. What I've been starting to hear in response to that is "Yeah, but it's mostly just the US and Iran, with the US telling everyone else what the deal's gonna be. After all, France called it a 'sucker's deal' but we're forcing them to go along with it anyway and that means it's bad." EDIT: I expect to hear a murmur here and there about how "if Russia and China are for it, we have to be against it, because they'd only back something if it hurt the US" before all is said and done, too. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 13, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 02:06 |
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Joementum posted:While broadly true, I think Loretta Lynch is a safe choice for Attorney General in the next administration. Hillary might choose to go with someone else, but Lynch has already gone through vetting and nomination hearings and has enough votes for confirmation. She has only ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Apr 14, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 02:13 |
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Crain posted:For some reason USA today doesn't actually say what the sign said, just referring to it as a "social justice message", but the Washington Post article does. "Man dies in Saigon street in an apparent religious message." We cannot grant legitimacy to domestic terrorism and politically motivated suicides by giving this man a venue for his beliefs. Better to just brush it aside to maintain the status quo. It's simply the most prudent and safest action for all involved.
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 03:03 |
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DaveWoo posted:I can't believe there are Democrats that are actually going along with this farce. "Yeah, let's cave to the Republicans on foreign policy, when has that ever backfired horribly for us?" At least 108 Democrats attended Bibi's speech. And we have a new face of the Democratic Party in the Senate anyway, now that Reid's a lame duck.
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 16:19 |
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Venom Snake posted:Knowing were you came from is important and I don't see whats so wrong with being educated about the good and bad things your ancestors did. What you family has done in the past has extremely strong influences on what you do, even if subconsciously. Genealogy is important. How else will the revolution determine who the capitalist roaders are?
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 00:50 |
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Zeitgueist posted:
Asians count as honorary whites, I assume?
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 01:12 |
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In all seriousness, that's basically the state of Asian-white relations in the United States. [/quote] I should have phrased it a little more tongue-in-cheek so the joke would have been clearer.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2015 01:25 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:And he can't even keep a persona for more than a couple days any more. It would be sad if it were ever anything but sad. Oh come on. He's had the "bomb Iran" persona going on for the past month or two.
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 01:48 |
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Schizotek posted:Praise Lord Zun. Lord ZUN?
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2015 21:10 |
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haveblue posted:Is this a complete Republican victory as far as that bill goes? They traded a vote on Lynch for all the language they wanted? Sort of. It basically divides the victims fund into two parts. The part funded by fines on offenders is free to be used on abortion. The part that comes from the general fund cannot. EDIT: This comes in response to a fake compromise last week that would have routed fines through the general fund to "justify" applying the Hyde language to the whole. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Apr 21, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 21, 2015 15:51 |
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A US District Court judge has ruled that the MTA must once again allow advertising which implies that Muslims kill Jews to "[draw] closer to Allah" to be displayed on buses.quote:The ad is paid for the American Freedom Defense Initiative. The advertising has previously been displayed on public transit in San Francisco and Chicago. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Apr 22, 2015 |
# ¿ Apr 22, 2015 07:29 |
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Grouchio posted:When was the last time good news was posted here? 2009, when Lilly Ledbetter was passed.
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# ¿ Apr 22, 2015 17:12 |
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DACK FAYDEN posted:2010, when the PPACA was passed. I was going to say that, but there is a vocal enough minority who might view that as bad news because it wasn't single-payer that I had to go a little further back.
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# ¿ Apr 22, 2015 17:21 |
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JT Jag posted:The Democrats will probably win back the Senate in 2016, so that'll be a two-year window where executive actions and appointments can go through at least There are only even odds of this now that Reid is out. Dems need to pick up 5 to account for losing Reid's seat, and the only ones probably on the table are PA, WI, IL and MAYBE FL.
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# ¿ Apr 22, 2015 19:34 |
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Joementum posted:"It seems Hillary Clinton thinks we have a short memory." ~ Jeb Bush. This will sum up Jeb's campaign, and it will get him at least 47% of the vote for his troubles.
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 02:47 |
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FAUXTON posted:Rahm, of course. Dude was pushing Rauner for a while, too.
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2015 21:15 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:I was thinking more of the historic background. Like how the legal prohibition on St. Louis's annexing any parts of the county made it easy for anyone to take two steps outside the city limits and declare themselves a "whites only" incorporated municipality, which led to the fragmentation and racial divisions at the heart of recent events. Basically the same thing. quote:A constitutional amendment, (little noticed and causing not much controversy or realization of future impact at the time, unfortunately even by the city) approved by referendum by state voters to the 1867 Maryland Constitution in 1948, prohibiting any future annexations without approval from residents in affected territories. Proposed after World War II and increasing suburbanization and possible racial residential motives not so prominent in earlier decades. As population ever since reached a maximum of 959,000 in 1950, then every decade since has dropped in the City and growth expanded to a greater metropolitan area, now involving five surrounding counties in the half-century since. Although causing extensive city-county hostilities during the time of the 1950's, 60's, and 70's Civil Rights movement, with later increasing urban social ills faced by the County's older "inner suburbs" by the 1980's, an atmosphere of metro cooperation has emerged with the drawing of cross-border state assembly districts, and organization of regional government agencies and increasing state assumption of powers.
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2015 03:33 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:Most of the people from the independent cities/town bordering or sometimes enclaved within them will make a point to say they're from that specific place if you ask where they're from. You're hiding a classist/regionalist tendency here. I strongly doubt someone who lives in East Los Angeles (not even incorporated, natch) is going to stress that in quite the same way someone from Malibu will. And even if they did, it seems to me that they'd only make that distinction to someone who already lives in LA, because no one in Chicago is going to care that you live in East LA, especially if you can't point to it as a rich enclave.
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2015 16:37 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Look at this idiot He's not wrong.
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