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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Oberst posted:

As stated by the prior poster this is metagaming, and at blood bond 2 you'd have to make willpower rolls just to start plotting against the regnant let alone actually harm them

Sometimes I wonder if the posters in this thread have actually ever even played vampire

Lol we arent children we play werewolf or mage

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Next time you play remember feeding is blood rape

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
so i've been in this group playing vampire for a bit and I made a sandman predator type. Whenever I go to feed the story teller (vampire master? idk im new at this) starts detailing it almost in a fetish like sense. It's pretty uncomfortable listening to it but I don't want to make the experience less fun for him how do I go about dealing with this?

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
alright yall i confronted him i think it went well

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Oberst posted:

Well this situation wouldn't have arisen if youd picked consensualist. It's really the only ethical feeding type.

You shouldn't want to play a horrible nighttime blood thief

its a vampire human ethics don't apply

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
holy gently caress v5 is good

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
V5 is good because of its simplicity and versatility

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

The game actually becomes less interesting if choosing a predator style that increases a discipline you already have a high rating in is always the correct move.

Lmfao

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

Go on.

Also, seriously, does anyone know how, in V5, you're supposed to run these two combat scenarios?

sometimes 2+1 is greater than 3

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

I'm not saying 3 is always better than 2+1. Sometimes it's better and sometimes it's worse; in the first session of the game, someone who buffs their greatest strength isn't necessarily better off than someone who spreads out.

I'm saying that someone who starts with 3 can really easily get to 3+1, but someone who starts with 2+1 is has to plug away for two or three times as long to get to 3+1. And 3+1 actually is always greater than 2+1.

its harder to get out of clan disciplines that's why getting the discipline from the predator type is very good and cool instead of 3rd dot in a clan discipline assuming you want to make a nontraditional character

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

That's not necessarily true, and the way it's harder is the cool in-character way that provides for bigger in-game challenges and roleplaying opportunities. Conversely, it's always less expensive than boosting your mainline powers to new heights. How come nontraditional characters end up behind on XP than traditional characters? Wouldn't you want to reward rather than punish people for branching out in unusual ways?

you are a vampire that is naturally gifted at 3 abilities so it is easier for you learn but you see this other vampire do this sick rear end ability so you want to learn it but since it does not come naturally to you it requires more work to master

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

I think you literally don't understand what we're talking about. This isn't about the fact that in-clan costs New Rating x5 and out-of-clan costs New Rating x7.

The XP cost of a Discipline is proportionate to its new rating. Buying the first dot is much cheaper than buying the third dot. So, if you get a free +1 dot to a discipline of your choice, turning a 2 into a 3 gives you way more effective XP than turning a 0 into a 1 -- even if that 1 is out-of-clan, and the 3 is in clan. We're talking about 15 free XP compared to 7 free XP. (also compared to 10 free XP if you go from 2-1 into 2-2, also compared to 5 free xp if for some reason you take a 1 in your third clan discipline)

Attribute and skill assignment is carefully sorted into "arrays" rather than being done dot-by-dot, so that specialists and generalists end up with the same effective XP count. But predator types break this system, for no real reason.


Either Predator Type just gives you 15 xp to spend only on the indicated disciplines, or Predator Type always gives you the first dot of an out-of-clan power (or the first dot of a power period, and if it's in-clan you get a 2xp rebate), and can't be used to buy a 3, or make all Discipline dots cost the same flat amount, or something else.

the predator type gives you more than 1 dot though theres a whole bunch of character traits it gives so you can have a sweet unique character that presents new challenges for you to solve i dont really understand why getting 1 dot in a discipline is bad thing

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

Do you understand why attribute and skill dots are parceled out in arrays rather than everyone getting the same number of dots?

yes ive read the rulebook

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

I said "why", not "that". Do you understand WHY the game uses arrays, and why the arrays have the exact distributions they do?


Metapod posted:

yes ive read the rulebook

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

Could you explain why it's a good idea?

yeah but i'd prefer to stay on topic on how predator types are awesome

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
lmfao the design flaw of being able to create an interesting character where your choice matters for the entire story because it gives you merits flaws and a dot you can put in a discipline you may or may not know. Oh no not the terrible dynamic character creation option

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
I think you are arguing predator types are flawed because you have ability to make a suboptimal character based on dot levels while ignoring that not all dot levels are equal and the game is more than making the optimal character

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
The difference of xp is like 5 if you decide to do 2/2 of your clan instead of 3/1 that's a pretty insignificant amount

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
I understand the math I dont dispute the math the math just doesn't matter that much. Yeah another player may have an "xp advantage" but you arent facing these other players you are working as a team so being able to synergize with everyone else by doing whatever role you create your vampire to fill is more important than being the strongest vampire. The predator types help you a lot in this as it gives you a means to create your niche more easily.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

LatwPIAT posted:

The player with more XP has more fun magical vampire powers they can use. Their fun magical vampire powers are also more powerful, increasing the chances that they'll be able to deal with a situation in a way that leaves everyone else's contributions irrelevant.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

V5 is not better than Requiem. You really need to calm down, though; my criticism of V5’s polish does not really warrant the kind of histrionics you and your friends are going through here.

Don't you ever call me a friend of oberst

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Rule lawyers are the worst

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
sir you could have made all those posts in one posts

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Kurieg posted:

Did you seriously link your twitter in this thread in an effort to get people to join your game and your patreon after the day you've been having?

Holy gently caress lmfao

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
I'm just in awe you believed even for a moment oberst was a famous ST just dear lord dude

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Oberst he loved to play v5 you hate to see it

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Wow I can't believe speaking a different opinion gets you probated around here this forum used to have integrity

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Wow this hostility is uncalled for

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Ferrinus posted:

Unfortunately, reactionary product lovers are demanding to keep it so it matters rather than ensure the chargen system is newbie-friendly and free of traps and pitfalls.

Lmfao

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
how many times did you gently caress op

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Wait why are we assuming this is the only gently caress up? Why would the st say stop loving up so much if it's just 1?

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
I mean if you are breaching left and right its only natural that you would be killed to save the masquerade. That's why I would like to know how many times the op hosed up

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
What kind of campaign are you playing that getting caught killing someone in public is a minor breach?

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Actions have consequences and sometimes death is the consequence

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Having a member of your coterie kill you is a good death imo as it shows the seriousness of breaching the masquerade. Also again the op still hasn't said how times he hosed up.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Joe Slowboat posted:

It's only a good death if it's presented well. And you know who the final arbiter of a good death is? The player of the character getting killed.

the player choose his death by loving up

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

juggalo baby coffin posted:

posting about v5 is a bad idea because it summons oberst and metapod to poo poo up the thread

I'm sorry I'm not just going to side with a poster who is clearly not telling the whole story because I'm not an entitled baby who only cares about how my character does rather than the story as a whole develops.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

juggalo baby coffin posted:

it doesnt really matter what they did, the ST handled whatever it was in the most lovely manbaby way possible

How do you know though? We don't know what was agreed upon before the campaign started. Like it's very possible everyone agreed that this campaign would be a hard one where everyone is a big mistake or two from death. How do we know that PM wasn't sent in jest but the op is melting so he didnt include the lmao or the st was just meming because someone else said that? The op is melting because he lost a character and melting people don't tend to tell the whole story. STOP BEING A COWARD BLITZ7X AND TELL US HOW MANY TIMES YOU hosed UP

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Lol I dont fully believe the tale of someone who has to clarify that dominate was used against his will and boasts that he was the sole reason a boss was defeated therefore I'm a psychopath who wants to torture other players.

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
THE CHARACTER THAT DIED WASN'T EVEN A GANGREL IT WAS A BRUJAH HOLY gently caress. I used to think that Oklahoma public schools were poo poo but clearly they teach critical reading better than most of the country

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