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Do you like Alien 3 "Assembly Cut"?
Yes, Alien 3 "Assembly Cut" was tits.
No, Alien and Aliens are the only valid Alien films.
Nah gently caress you Alien 3 sucks in all its forms.
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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

They should let Blomkamp do the next avp movie, let him go hog wild with that shitshow, why the gently caress not.

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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

This is xenomrph we're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if his posts were originally written in crayon in his alien vs. predator coloring book and had to be transcribed by one of his parents.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

If anything, xenomrph not getting Prometheus just proves it's the superior alien movie.

"Bbbbbbut my alien fanfic (that I paid some livejournal vorefic writer to write for me)!"
-every xenomrph post

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

It should've ended with Charlize Theron smugly taking a huge step to the side yet still getting crushed by the MASSIVE loving NO WAY TO EVEN POSSIBLY RUN AWAY FROM OUTER SPACE SHIP.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Writing your own "what if..." Because you can't accept the story being presented to you is the exact opposite of deconstructing the narrative being presented to you. It's ignoring it and positing your own fan fiction as fact, or in this case "canon" as fact goes out the window when dealing with a fictional story.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

I still hold true to the theory that Harrison Ford's character is a distant relative to both Deckard and Han Solo, I wrote read a really good write-up on aol years ago that completely makes sense and actually adds a new layer to the dialogue during the briefing with Martin Sheen's character, who's also a distant relative to another sci-fi character but I don't want to spoil too much of the theory. Just go read it for yourself, it'll make the movie more enjoyable and explains and understands the movie better than the director did. :angel:

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

I don't know why you guys bother conversing with a grown man who considers playtime with his Kenner Aliens action figures as continuity in a franchise that actively tries to distance itself from it.

e: also, Death Proof is a masterpiece.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

He should remake Alienator.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Party Boat posted:

If you want a good Alien comic, you can't go wrong with Alien: The Illustrated Story. It was released in 1979 as a tie-in with the film and it's fantastic.

I got the original art edition as a birthday present a couple of years ago, it's got all the pencil and line work reproduced at original size. Have some lovely camera phone pics:




It's gigantic and loving gorgeous.

Whoa, that Walt Simonson art looks loving awesome. I'm going to have to hunt that book down.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Prometheus: We out here

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Xenomrph posted:

I've added some minor stuff to wikis here and there, but I just don't have the time or patience to argue with the kind of autistic hyper-spergs that wikis tend to attract.

CelticPredator posted:

Only because you like them and want them to be.


Also, the scene with Billy in the original Predator was the subversion of the "epic knife fight" trope. Predators wasn't a subversion of anything. It was a cliche "epic knife fight" complete with dumb fight poses and "his blade cut me, he moves so fast" bullshit. There's nothing subverting or interesting about it.

It's like saying the heavy gunner guys death was a subversion of Jesse Ventura's character because he was Russian instead of American.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Harime Nui posted:

So now we know what eventually happened to The Bride and El Mariachi.... :rip:

That would've been funny if they came across a guitar case full of guns in Lawrence Fishburne's weapon's cache.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Sir Kodiak posted:

Shane Black is developing a new Predator movie. They released a teaser poster for it today.



YOU DON'T
GET TO
BEHEAD
500 TROPHIES
WITHOUT MAKING
A FEW ENEMIES

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Xenomrph posted:

Fun fact: in 'Predators', the characters encounter another generic alien that the Predators have captured to hunt (and if I remember right, Lawrence Fishburne shoots it). That alien's design is based on the Predator's original design before Stan Winston overhauled it, but with a different head. I thought that was a fun Easter egg.

None of your posts are factual or fun.

Flat fact.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdCHJWyB0Fo

I'm glad this is in HD so we can all see how terrible it looks in hi def.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Fury Road is the most orange and teal movie ever made and everyone agrees it looks awesome

Yeah, but would you want Mad Max or Road Warrior re-color timed to match?

(Also, whoever mentioned it, gently caress the Magic Bullet plugin and whoever uses it)

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Sue posted:

I'm fine without any new Alien movies, but I think I would enjoy a Prometheus sequel.

I'm pretty hyped for Alien Covenant.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

lizardman posted:

- Dan O'Bannon, on-screen, accuses the producers of changing all the character names in his Alien script simply in order to dick him out of royalties.

And now he's dead. :smith:

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Yaphet Kotto is as black as he is awesome.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004


I loved that Prometheus reused Giger's hive concepts for the alien buildings, I really hope they use more of his artwork for the sequel. There's a great doc on Netflix about Giger that gives a peek at the mountains of work he accumulated in his life. It's really good, and makes me want to visit his hometown and check out the Giger Museum. They shot it right before he died, so it's pretty much the period on the end of his life's work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAs2FKH3DGc

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Exactly. Giger suffered with some personal demons but it was cool seeing him find solace and comfort surrounded by his work and his small circle of friends/family. How could you be depressed watching Giger ride around on his little garden nightmare train?

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

boom boom boom posted:

I genuinely don't value your opinion enough to put any energy into figuring it out. State your position and defend it or don't

I don't know what it is about these faceless goons who continually expose themselves to have no outside critical thinking just so they can say they "totally owned smg in that thread, he was totes flustered and everyone clapped" bullshit. I mean, you realize how obtuse you're being right? For what? E-cred? Seriously. The saddest goons.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

boom boom boom posted:

you just got mad at me for not explaining my opinion about Under the Skin. what's your opinion on Under the Skin?

Opinion on what's literally presented on screen or opinion on what your cognizant brain took as the meaning from what was presented on screen? Because those are two different things.

Following your logic is like trying to follow someone who can't picture God as anything other than a ten foot man with a beard, or a person whose ideal version of America is only their tunneled white-sheltered view. Movies can be so much more than wikipedia lists of continuity and what you see is what you get, purposefully dumbing down the scope of your thinking just to win an internet argument is pretty loving narcissistic.

E: can she not be both alien and human? Can God be both a ten foot man in one brain and a metaphysical manifestation of love and connection between humanity in another?

ruddiger fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 8, 2016

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

CelticPredator posted:

Why is reading the material the only way of expressing yourself here?

Maybe the film failed to connect with Boom Boom Boom in any way? Flew in one ear, out the other. It happens. Who cares. Alien owns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsstzfp6nyo

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

William Friedkin's Rampage would compliment this discussion nicely.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Immortan posted:

Yeah man I swore I saw an Engineer walking around in the distance on Mars.

Thematic references you troglodyte.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Huh, I never pieced together that the special edition of Aliens implies the queen hatched from Newt's dad.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

MrMojok posted:

I don't know which guy you mean, but I'm not agreeing with any of you, except for the one who just said movies can be about different things.

What I said about the acknowledged Vietnam theme up above, I meant that anything like that is going to get shouted down by some people in CineD in favor of other interpretations, which are always the only correct ones in those particular posters' minds. And a lot of times it's no war but class war, and things of that nature.

I certainly am not saying it's insane to look at a film outside of the director's statements/intent. Perfect example, what I get out of Aliens is nature/nurture, and motherhood. Not any of the things other people in here are talking about.

Am I "wrong"? Are others "right"?

What kind of war do you think Vietnam was? Good guys vs bad guys? It was a generation of drafted poors fighting a puppet socialist country, to say "it's about Vietnam" is the laziest loving thing to say. Like, no poo poo it's about a war, but when you go out of your way and associate it with one of the most politically loaded police actions in this country's history, stopping the discussion at "it's about Vietnam" is pretty juvenile, and just goes to show how stupid we let ourselves get as a species. These ideas about movies aren't anything new, but the aggressiveness at anything other than the most basic interpretation is pretty sad.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

3 goons screaming into the abyss does not equate "dog piling"

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Contamination is the best Alien fan film.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Black Bones posted:

Alien 4 is so goofy, I think I kinda love it

The space wal-mart line makes me think poo poo went the way of Idiocracy back on good ole earth.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

"Here we are again, bro. Just you and me. Same kind of moon, same kind of jungle."

The point of Predator is not that it's Vietnam, but that it's archetypal. The moon and the jungle have been there since long before the dawn of man, and 'Vietnam' is just one of the latest names for them.

Mac's line above, spoken to a corpse, predicts the end of the film - where we can imagine Dutch speaking those very same lines to the creature:

"Whole platoon, 32 men chopped into meat. We walk out, just you and me - nobody else. Right on top, huh?"

Here's something no-one really notices in Predator: Mac gets Dillon to turn around by pointing at the trees, then stabs at the scorpion crawling on his back. What people miss is that Mac's fake-out distraction points right at the real creature, who was silently hiding there the whole time. From the creature's perspective, Mac is pointing right at him, then callously stabbing the scorpion - displaying it. "Anytime."

He contemplates this.

This poo poo is so much better than "well in the official Predator handbook blah blah blah" because it's also an insight into the thought processes of the actual people making the movie instead of an insight to a bunch of sweaty nerds trying to fit any little detail mentioned by the movie into their cramped continuity boxes. I'd rather disseminate what McTiernan and Black were going for than learning the technical name of the Predator's loving med pack.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

blackguy32 posted:

It may be that as well, but Heart of Darkness I think does the same thing. They build up Kurtz to be this awesome figure, and then they find him and he is sick as hell. It is a really cool effect.

Watch the doc if you haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawzRyDJhTw

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

If Sigourney Weaver were involved she'd demand a sex scene with the Predator.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

It's very easy to approach Predator as an Alien sequel, with the ship at the start being Ripley's escape pod - returning her to Earth altered by her experiences, and wearing her symbolic armor.

Remember, the alternate ending where the alien kills her, and then begins speaking in her voice.

In Dan O'Bannon's Star Beast script, 'Ripley' keeps the jockey's skull in a case, as a trophy.


The scene where the aliens slaughter the national guard is amazing, and better than anything in Aliens.

It's a great parallel to the police barricade scene in Return of the Living Dead (also by O'Bannon).

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

I am Ridley's empty stare when asked about Aliens canon from AVP.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

James Cameron is the Zack Snyder of the 80s.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Xenomrph posted:

James Cameron has also done more for filmmaking technology than Snyder could ever hope to. His ability to realize a specific artistic vision no matter what it takes and no matter how many people he pisses off, even if it means literally having new technology invented so he can accomplish it, is second only to maybe Kubrick.

Zack Snyder did revolutionary greenscreen work on 300 that the industry still copies today. Sorry you didn't read the wikipedia page about it.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Xenomrph posted:

I just checked the Wikipedia page, where does it mention his revolutionary green screen work?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28film%29#Production

Having said that, the stylized "digital sets" of 300 didn't look all that different from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow or Sin City, both of which came out first.

Like don't get me wrong, if Snyder created new greenscreen tech for 300 then that's awesome, I just wasn't aware of it but I'm fine with being wrong about it. :)

The notion that Snyder has contributed as much to filmmaking on a technical level as Cameron is demonstrably false, and I'm speaking as someone who really likes a lot of Snyder's films.

No one ever said Zack Snyder has contributed as much to filmmaking on a technical level as Cameron. I said that Cameron was the Snyder of the 80s. They make movies and could give a gently caress what others think. They work with big ideas and formulate the story around those ideas. They pioneer new ways of shooting, new lenses, new cameras, new techniques. Other directors ape them directly after their movies are released. Seeing as how you slowly morph your posts to shadow better ones in this thread, I'll enjoy your wiki dump in a couple months espousing all your knowledge of Snyder that you've scoured from the internet.

ruddiger fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jul 30, 2016

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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Xenomrph posted:

I just checked the Wikipedia page,

A summation of your posts.

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