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MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Chuck Boone posted:

I'm partial to this interpretation of our Libertador:


I'm Johnny Knoxville. Welcome to Caracas.

fnox posted:


And yes, hearing Henry Ramos Allup absolutely destroy every single thing the Chavismo has ever said during Maduro's presidency, with Maduro sitting literally next to him and this being transmitted by law on EVERY single radio and television channel in the country is more than surreal. It's something I thought I would have never lived to see, or hear.
Jesus, that looks like a bad Tropico Character Model. Some real uncanny valley action going on there.

Also, I can't wait for a translation of Allup's Comments to surface.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jan 16, 2016

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MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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I guess the birthers were right, they were just looking at the wrong president/country.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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My Imaginary GF posted:

This is all very correct, and supported by the contemporary discussions going on within Cuba's major commercial stakeholders like United Fruit Co. and associated Cuban financial institutions.

What one finds is that, since the communist coup in Cuba, economic inequality has become increasingly stratified between races of individuals, with lighter-skinned individuals disproportionately benefiting from the communist coup. I don't understand how posters can delude themselves into believing the rhetoric of dictators, rather than taking a look at the numbers and judging for themselves.

Building a nation and national institutions is extremely difficult, trying work, even in the best of environments. In order for Venezuelans to continue to enjoy human rights, it is their responsibility to give their authoritarians the Mussolini treatment before poo poo gets to where it is today. Once a nation reaches what Venezuelans experience today, the only loving hope is civil war and a long, harsh, process of nation building and capacity expansion whose success is not assured.

Good loving job running a nation into the ground worse than Haiti, tho. Can't wait for all the cheap arepas that'll pop up in America soon enough.

Cuba's entire middle class pretty much fled to the US, taking their skills and competence with them. Just as an example, Cuba was the second country after the US to have nationwide commercial Color TV broadcasting -in 1958. It had only been introduced by RCA in the US four years earlier. In early 1960 or 61, the TV studios of Channel 12 in Havana were gutted and all the RCA color broadcast gear was shipped to Moscow to be Reverse engineered. Now I'm not saying that Color TV was affordable or widely adopted at that time in Cuba, but that there was a level of development in the country pre-Castro that many people seem oblivious to.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 08:34 on May 31, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Munin posted:

I have to say I do like the firm defense of Batista in this thread whose economic numbers were nearly as phony and embezzlement much more brazen than Maduro's.

Not to mention Batista's impeccable democratic credentials and soft touch policies on domestic dissent and opposition.

It's not really a defense of the Batista Dictatorship, It's a reaction to the ridiculous hoops people jump through to defend the Dictatorship that succeeded it.
Considering that Castro's Cuba only survived from 1961-1991 by being propped up with Soviet aid, as a USSR sponsored finger in the eye of the US, then endured the "special period" when the soviet money hose was turned off with borderline famine and US food aid, and depended on aid from Chavez after that.
Even the Raul Castro led Regime saw the writing on the wall after Chavez died and started making back channel overtures to El Imperio.
What is Cuba now? A plantation state that makes most of its hard currency from Tobacco Products, cheap All inclusive resort compounds for fat Europeans and Canadians looking for AYCE buffets, cheap rum cocktails with little paper umbrellas in them, and sex tourism.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jun 1, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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El Hefe posted:

Yeah but I'm just wanna wait until the civil war begins.

GET OUT NOW. Any way you can.

My great grandparents fled the Hungarian Red Terror of 1919 as quasi-stowaways on an American flagged ship that was there to pick up some commodity that has been lost to my family history. It had a crew that sort of understood what was going on and was sympathetic since my great grandma was pregnant. She lost that Child on the voyage to the USA. Most of their respective family members had already been slaughtered for the crime of owning farmland by the Lenin Boys. My Grandma was born in the Hungarian Enclave of Fairport, Ohio in 1922. She's 93 now.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Jun 1, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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If any of you Venezuelagoons Make it to Northeast Ohio, I'll buy you dinner and cocktails and find you a couch to crash on with me or my friends.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jun 1, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

wow, is he gonna go full cultural revolution now. I mean mao did it for the same reasons, but would he even get enough youth to act on it?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

wow, is he gonna go full cultural revolution now. I mean mao did it for the same reasons, but would he even get enough youth to act on it?

Maybe the entire PSUV has syphillis?

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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mobby_6kl posted:

Kimberly Clark is back!

Well at least its reanimated corpse now operated by the people. Apparently the closure was "illegal" and got the factory nationalized, so I'm sure the supply issues such as not being able to get any raw material won't affect a true communist enterprise now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36771022

I love it that Kimberly Clark's response to the Govt is "welp, go ahead and take it but don't come to us for help, it's your mess now. Have fun running your Potemkin Kleenex factory."

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

Basking in the cathode glow
Venegoons, this is a totally random question, but does your country have any kind of Amateur Radio culture? I'm a technician class Amateur Radio Operator here in the US, the only HF long distance band I have voice privileges on is the 10 Meter band, which has been opening up to the Caribbean and South America almost daily as of late. I made contacts as far south as Rancho Queimado, Santa Catarina Brazil, almost on the Uruguay border this afternoon from Cleveland, Ohio.
If poo poo really gets bad and a media blackout comes to pass, are there Venezuelan Ham radio operators that can step up and get information out? If so, US hams will be listening. We helped out Warsaw Pact states when the USSR was falling. We can help now.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Oct 30, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

Basking in the cathode glow

TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:

Or you know use twitter because it isn't the loving 1940s.

1940's, more like 1990's and early 2k's. The Internet can easily be shut off. Especially if the government has control of the ISP's.
Amateur Radio ops helped get information out during the collapse of the USSR, the Balkan wars, The Orange revolution in Ukraine, and in the lead up, and beginning of the Iraq War.
Remember, I mentioned this as a worst case scenario situation.

Chuck Boone posted:

This is a really interesting question. I've never heard of amateur radio culture in Venezuela. That's not to say that it doesn't exist, but I imagine that the costs of the equipment would make it prohibitively expensive as a hobby.
I hate to use Cuba as an example, but...
Cuba has maintained an active Amateur Radio service (and pirate anti-Castro radio operators even in current year 2016) even after the Revolution. They build most of their equipment out of scavenged parts from Pre-Castro American TV's and radios and broken Soviet made TV sets, computer power supplies, etc. It doesn't take much money to get on the air if you understand basic electronics and have a pile of junk parts laying around. Cuba is a somewhat unique case because despite it's pre-Castro problems, it was basically on par with the USA when it came to the adoption of modern electronics and communications technology before Castro took power. Havana had regular Color TV broadcasts in 1958. So, even after the Revolution, there was a lot of well made American radio gear floating around that lasted for years and has been passed down within families,repaired using Soviet made parts, and a good segment of the population had the aptitude to repair it because this tech was widely adopted before Castro came to power. (not the color TV stuff, Che stripped the studios in Havana and had it shipped to Moscow as a token of solidarity so that it could be reverse engineered)
http://dxersunlimited.blogspot.com/

EDIT: Venezuela does have an Amateur Radio association:
http://yv5rcv.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Club_Venezolano

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Nov 1, 2016

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Chuck Boone posted:

The U.S. Department of the Treasury's press release on the sanctions against El Aissami is :drat:

Make sure you give it a read. It calls El Aissami "a prominent drug trafficker", accuses of him personally conducting drug trafficking operations, and connects him to the Los Zetas Cartel.

Jesus, and this doesn't even mention his ties to Hezbollah.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Yes, I know this is sourced from a Breitbart article, but the CFR and senate testimony PDF's are pretty damning when it comes to PSUV collusion with the Sinaloa and Los Zetas Cartels.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/03/03/narco-state-u-s-confirms-venezuelan-officials-engage-drug-trade/
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/030217_ONeil_Testimony_REVISED.pdf
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/venezuela-options-for-us-policy-030217

I guess we have the plot for season 3 of "Narcos."

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Mar 4, 2017

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Sinteres posted:

The government has openly rejected it.

Even sicker is the PSUV's flat out of refusal of Medical Aid and supplies, while children are dying of sepsis from skinned knees due to the profound lack of basic antibiotics and sterile dressings. Socialismo o Muerte indeed.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Mar 18, 2017

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Lightning Lord posted:

“Mr. Trump, please open the leez!” he said. “Mr. Trump, open your hair. Don’t let them got to you.”

I thought you were joking, then I googled it. I wish I hadn't googled it.
What the hell is he even saying?

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

Basking in the cathode glow
In other news, the government seized the General Motors Venezolana plant in Valencia yesterday.
I can't wait to see the first Chavista built cars.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-venezuela-idUSKBN17M08I

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Pharohman777 posted:

Venezualas attempt to accept charity sounds interesting, can you guys tell me more about this and the aftereffects when it was found that ration packs were being sold?

It was never charity. It was a program designed to ensure that bags of subsidized foods made it only to PSUV loyalists, run by the military. This being Venezuela, most of the supplies intended for the program were diverted and sold by the military on the black market.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

Basking in the cathode glow
Protesters Burned down the childhood home of Hugo Chavez today.
https://apnews.com/85710834dfe045c6a4a5563d5fea6839/Lawmaker:-Hugo-Chavez's-childhood-home-burned-by-protesters

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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It's the only line of attack they have left, scream racism.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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A fat goony tankie approaches an emaciated Venezuelan child eating out of the trash. "Keep it up Lil' Comrade, your Revolutionary struggle will finally expose the evil of the Yanqui empire to the world!"

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

Basking in the cathode glow
This isn't intended to be political, but I just found this old film that was intended to prepare American Oil workers for jobs in Venezuela in 1956.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVEKcpUQe8
Question for Venegoons- When did Venezuela nationalize the oil industry?

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 16, 2017

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

Ha, I hadn't thought about that. Assholes.

During the 2015 elections they went as far as making a fake political party that had an almost identical name and logo as the opposition so that it would dilute the opposition vote.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Chuck Boone posted:

One more fatality, this one in San Cristobal, Tachira: 18 year old Gustavo Villamizar, shot in the head while protesting this evening. Assailants unknown.

The million dollar question. I don't know. Four months ago, I would have been sure that the army wouldn't obey and order to gun down a crowd of protesters. But the National Guard as shot to dead nearly a dozen people over the last two days, and the videos, pictures and accounts that have come out of the country about the brutality of the National Guard and other security services makes me fear the worst.

Labradoodle brought up a very good point earlier, which is that Maduro may in fact be losing out to more powerful factions inside the PSUV. Unfortunately, the more powerful faction in this case is even more authoritarian and criminal than Maduro, if you can believe it. In other words, Maduro may indeed get pushed out, but his replacement would likely make Maduro seem harmless by comparison.

Someone asked about shortwave radios in the thread a while back, and the answer that the thread came up with (if I remember correctly) was that their price/technical requirements might make them beyond the reach of the vast majority of the country. I Googled different variations of the Spanish for "Shortwave radio station Venezuela" and didn't find anything. That's not to say that they don't exist or that no one has them, of course, but it's definitely not a common hobby.

I was the one who asked about Amateur Radio organizations in Venezuela.
I did some more research since then, and it turns out that there are several clubs in Caracas alone!
http://gdxc.org/
http://yv5rcv.org/
http://hfdx.org/

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jul 29, 2017

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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M_Gargantua posted:

You can make a fair shortwave SDR (Software defined radio) with a $30 tuner plugged into whatever computer you have. Attach it to some wire strung between two trees and youre in business. That will give you some ability to cover an urban area as long as your aiming for antennas without too much obstructing the line of sight. The off the shelf 100W radios go for about $1,000 here, and those can cover a whole municipality.

Luckily while commercial stuff is great and readily available here, its also designed to be put on a shelf and used for years. The great thing about radio is that basic functionality can be rigged up very simpy, the technology is old now and you can do a lot with recycled electronics. Pretty much anyone who can work with electronics can scrape together parts for a shortwave and roughly copy a basic design from the internet.

Reliable communication helps a huge amount in crisis. Its something that the US suffered horribly for just from hurricane Katrina, and that was with FEMA and the national guard responding, but without knowing about tons of groups who were desperate for water or shelter. If you've got a barking chain ask around for some electrical college people or just tech savvy sort who can improvise. A lot can be successfully jury rigged in a short time if you have the time to salvage the parts.

What else would happen if you and your fellows lost internet and phone lines?


Organizing and inventorying ahead of time will lay the ground work.

Even for those without a lot of money, a used CB radio with SSB and a cheap chinese 2m-440 handheld would be better than nothing for local communication, and the CB could work DX when the conditions are right. Most CB's can easily be modified for the 10m amateur radio band if necessary.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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M_Gargantua posted:

Yeah, handhelds will be super useful, especially if someone could grab a whole pile and batteries to boot.

But I was more pointing out how you could maybe finagle something more regionally with some spit and gumption.

Venezuela's local version of ebay is actually loaded with used ham gear.
https://www.mercadolibre.com.ve/

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Chuck Boone posted:

Yes, it's looking like 8-10 killed so far. The explosion in Altamira was intense:

https://twitter.com/RayliLujan/status/891707028690882560

It looks like the explosive was made of/was a big firework?

It looks like a big Mortar firework, only not fired from a tube.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Saladman posted:

That piece of poo poo, Ciccariello-Maher, has an op-ed on that piece of poo poo website, Jacobin. I feel kind of bad linking it here, but he's a prominent-enough scumbag that I guess it's not any worse than linking to something Trump said.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/07/venezuela-elections-chavez-maduro-bolivarianism

Filled with tons of lies and half-truths. I'm surprised he admits that Venezuela has gone to the dogs, though, and he attributes it in part to Maduro (for not being "revolutionary" enough).


E: There are so many big loving holes in his thinking that I don't even know whether it's worth pointing it out, but one of the worst things about tankies to me is that they deplore violence and "those evil opposition have started a cascade of protests where > 100 people have died" and then in the next breath say "violent revolution is necessary to protect the gains of the proletariat. To arms, comrades!!" So violence is bad, unless you're the one doing it.

Violence is good when it furthers their chosen ideology. These are people that jerk off to fantasies of the Russian Revolution and Cuba in 1959.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 30, 2017

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Chuck Boone posted:

The biggest show on TV tonight will be the head of the CNE, Tibisay Lucena, looking into a television camera and telling Venezuelans how many people voted the election today. The MUD is estimating that there was approximately 10-12% voter turnout, which would put the number of votes at around 2-2.2 million.

Jorge Rodriguez (a PSUV big shot) was just on TV and said that there had "not been a single fatality" during today's vote. Of course, we know that in fact at least 13 people have been killed in violence around the country in the last day or so. When a reporter asked Rodriguez what he thought about the reports from the Public Ministry that at least seven people had been killed, Rodriguez laughed and said, "You mean the deaths reported by the soon-to-be former attorney general?", in reference to the fact that Luisa Ortega Diaz will probably be removed from her role by the Constituent Assembly very soon. Here's the clip:

https://twitter.com/AlbertoRT51/status/891788379251200001

These people are comic book villains except they're real and hold an entire country hostage. Smh.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Thug Lessons posted:

I am not trolling. I would actually prefer Venezuela have a left-wing government rather than a right-wing one, while acknowledging the current government has been terrible.

gently caress the starving people as long as my my ideology retains a chokehold over the country! Socialismo o muerte!

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Ah, we have entered the AND YOU ARE LYNCHING NEGROES phase of tankie shitposting.
Tankies never change.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Celexi posted:

what the gently caress happen in this thread while I slept

The Tankies saw their hammer and sickle bat signal and descended on the thread.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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gobbagool posted:

The main D&D mod is a literal, non-ironic tankie. I'm sure he feels justice swelling in his bosom every time bob lamoche or thug lessons shits up the thread with their middle school level understanding of what's happening in VZ and to whom the blame belongs. It's a disgrace.

How the hell did that happen?

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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ComradeCosmobot posted:

There's a story about that.

In short, Lowtax decided to be "hands on" with the forums earlier this year to make it "safe for people to express their own opinions" after an offsite complained at him for being too "nice to the SJWs" (and, conversely, too strict with Trump fans and tankies). About 1/3 the moderation staff resigned in protest at his handling of the situation, including all the D&D mods.

Welp, that backfired spectacularly then...

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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How much can the CIA even do when the opposition is completely disarmed and the military, state security forces, and armed criminal gangs are firmly under regime control? This isn't a situation where there is some kind of armed insurgency or rogue military element that can be supported, it's a bunch of civilians with wooden shields building street barricades out of trash trying to protect their neighborhoods from armed thugs on motorbikes.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Feinne posted:

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure the US government will take any government that will actually sort out the PDVSA's poo poo.

I feel bad for any government that will have to take on that mess. I'm surprised that PDVSA's crumbling infrastructure hasn't caused a massive environmental disaster yet.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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The disappearing has begun. It's pretty revealing when a regime claims to be leftist but uses 80's death squad tactics against dissidents.
They aren't going to start killing people, are they?

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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fishmech posted:

The Soviets at least knew how to keep their oil industry afloat, that's for sure. Soviet oil tankers weren't getting blocked from ports across the world because they spilled a huge chunk of their oil while being loaded due to rusty pipes, unlike modern Venezuelan tankers.
PDVSA is the Groverhaus of oil companies.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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In other Batshit Crazy PSUV news, Diosdado Cabello may have attempted to order a hit on Senator Marco Rubio.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article166981822.html

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Pharohman777 posted:

The PSUV really has degenerated into becoming a gang of criminals if Cabello did this.

I can see the FBI/CIA classifying venezuelas PSUV government and military as a criminal orginization if they become even worse.

I mean, its crazy, but it is something I could totally see Cabello doing.

MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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Feinne posted:

Holy poo poo if there's any actual evidence that Cabello actively has people trying to kill Rubio then could turn really ugly really fast.

Apparently US intelligence intercepted communications between Cabello and Cartel affiliated hitmen in Mexico, and thought the threat was credible enough to provide Rubio with an extra security detail that included undercover Miami-dade police officers. Considering that Cabello is a Druglord that makes insane threats against opposition politicians on his TV show almost daily, him personally being in contact with cartel hitmen isn't much of a stretch.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Aug 14, 2017

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MullardEL34
Sep 30, 2008

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M_Gargantua posted:

Also. Why Rubio? I mean thats a pretty stupid person to try to kill. Real low hanging fruit on the political spectrum.

Rubio speaks fluent Spanish, is Cuban, ardently anticommunist, and is probably the most vocal critic of the Maduro and Castro regimes in the US Senate. He also gives speeches in Spanish directly to the Venezuelan opposition.
To make it even more dumb, this hit may have originated in Cabello being pissed off over a twitter feud with Rubio.

MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 14, 2017

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