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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Did anyone see McCarthy's foreign policy speech? It was played on Maddow.. WOW is he dumb. He can't string 2 coherent sentences together...

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euphronius posted:

Obama has been forceful for a long time now he just is not covered by the msm and his new media game is only now getting going. He should be posting speeches straight to YouTube.

The bully pulpit doesn't exist.

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Nonsense posted:

Glad you've come to realize that gun owners do not trust Democrats, nor ever will. That's just the way things are, and until the law changes the NRA runs the show on American gun culture.

The single issue gun owner isn't voting for Democrats anyway because of brown immigrants or because the president is a Muslim or some other batshit insane silliness. They don't need their trust.

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Trabisnikof posted:

Alas, we have had multiple goons say they believe in climate change, immigration reform, gay marriage, etc. but they voted Republican because guns.

I know there are people like that on here but they are a special kind of complete moron and don't really make up any relevant portion of the electorate thankfully.

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Fried Chicken posted:

Oh and Arne Duncan is stepping down from Education Secretary, John B King will be nominated as replacement

Worst Obama cabinet member?

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I hate to post a link to Tucker Carlson's lovely site here but Marco Rubio is very good. Could he possibly be the best bet to win the nomination as of now?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/01/here-is-marco-rubios-brilliant-response-to-black-lives-matter/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Tatum Girlparts posted:

Marco is a dumb motherfucker in a lot of ways (he also said that women will sell their fetus to PP for money thanks to the baby harvesting they do, and so getting pregnant will be an income source somehow) but he's probably the least dumb motherfucker they have, and is young and very cute, so yea he's probably the smart one to rally around if they want a fight.

The only thing that gives me pause is that he was a member of the Gang of Eight for comprehensive immigration reform and the base HATES that...

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Tatum Girlparts posted:

Yea he's been on record occasionally saying not insane things, but if anything that's probably best for him because that'll make him the establishment golden boy rather than the teabagger one.

Right but that isn't enough to win the nomination. Remember that batshit insane candidates Trump+Carson+Fiorina are over 55%

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Tatsuta Age posted:

I dunno, on the other hand you have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag8RgEVBsJ0

Which pretty much solidifies him as Huckabee 2.0 in a lot of ways.

Edit: Beaten like 5 posts up :)

LMAO this is insane. This plus his not believing in abortion being legal to save the mother's life are going to make for some awesome general election ads.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

So were guys like Cain and Bachmann in some places. The establishment has the money, the establishment picks the nominee, if they can be shown a promising, less insane, option in a cute young Cuban dude they'll probably rally for him and it won't matter of Trump has idiots on his side.

If this is true it will be Jeb!

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Good job putting these people in power America.

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James Garfield posted:

Does the strict letter of the law prevent them from electing Reagan speaker?

Or Ted Cruz.

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Three Olives posted:

center right Republicans

lol

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QuoProQuid posted:

A vast majority of the Republican Conference knows that an impeachment proceeding would be political suicide. Short of a Pride's Purge, it isn't happening.

What do you mean by "political suicide"? Lose the house? The house GOP caucus could all run around naked on the mall throwing their feces at each other and still not lose the house.

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Bob Ojeda posted:




Lose the presidential election.

1) They are going to lose it anyway.

2) The house GOP caucus couldn't possibly care if they win the presidency or not. In fact they probably PREFER to lose it.

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They don't have any good general election candidates and Democrats have a huge structural advantage, so yeah.

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Lessig isn't making it to the Dem debates, is he?

Good. There is no reason for him to be in the race.

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Tesseraction posted:

Now this is a race-ism I'm down with.

Then his campaign can be as spectacular a waste of time as his PAC was during the 2014 elections.

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I don't know how the GOP is going to nominate someone who has Rubio's immigration history...

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Fried Chicken posted:

This is what I was most disappointed in by the debate, outside of the one vague statement from Bernie, nothing on how they would deal with the complete gridlock of a divided government. There was a great pattern of Bernie saying "This is a problem!", Clinton saying "here is a centrist technocratic attempt to solve that problem" and then quibbling on whether that proposal was sufficient to deal with the problem, but nothing on how to enact that proposal

The only 2 ways to deal with it. Use executive orders (a terrible campaign issue) and to win elections against republicans.

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Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking?

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Antti posted:

I listened to it today and can't recommend it enough.

I'm almost embarrassed by how shocked I was when I heard what the conspiracy theory was. I thought it would be that right-wing elements in the government killed Rabin and framed a stooge. Oh, no, actually, Rabin tried to fake an assassination attempt on himself and then hosed it up and died. And the resulting wave of sympathy for Rabin resulted in... twenty years of right-wing rule and the literal and figurative demolition of the Oslo process.

At least with Trutherism, the cui bono principle leads to the theory down a path resembling logic. Rabin trutherism is just pure :psyduck:

Isreali politics is just super depressing on every level.

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I hope Hillary Clinton nominates Sydney Blumenthal to Sec Def or some other cabinet position when she wins.

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Joementum posted:

That's a really, really bad idea.

But Press Secretary Blumenthal would be loving hilarious.

It's no worse than any of the other pretty awful people the Clintons pal around with. In fact it's probably better.

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Zeroisanumber posted:

Blumenthal is a mediocrity who's managed to hang on in Washington by virtue of his association with the Clintons. If Hillary takes the presidency, he's a prime candidate for what Dr. Dre calls "Posse Contraction".

This is true of SO MANY people and will probably be true of the pool of candidates for jobs in the Hillary Clinton administration.... At least his son is a good guy and he drives republicans nuts.

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Spite posted:

The most hilarious thing about all this is it shows how huge the egos involved are. The obvious move is to just ignore Trump and try to appear above the fray. But absolutely no one can let even the slightest brush to their ego go. It's incredible.

They can't ignore Trump and try to act superior. That isn't what GOP primary voters want at all. They want someone who appears tough and isn't scared to poo poo on people in public because that matters to them MUCH more than policy which they don't care at all about.

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euphronius posted:

There is a lot of spin on the deal to make it politically palatable but the main takeaway afaict is we just are going back to a pre tea party insanity status quo.

I don't even think this positive a spin is accurate.. Some of the sequester cuts are going to stay in place.

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Ryan's not likely to be speaker after the election. I think he only did it this time because no one else wanted it.

Ryan's likely to be speaker for probably the next 10+ years actually.

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Electric Bugaloo posted:

So instead of trying to follow his executive branch dreams he'll become Hillary's Boehner and his career will henceforth become a never-ending exercise in extreme frustration until he ignominiously quits?

I'll take it.

He has no jumping off point from Speaker to President and the GOP isn't losing the house any time soon. He's going to be the most powerful republican in the country for as long as he wants to be.

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greatn posted:

Well then I've got good news for Koch, Carson just took the lead in a new national poll.

Republicans are insane.

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Rynn posted:

I disagree, remember this will be a non incumbent Presidential election season. Whether it's Hillary or Bernie, you're going to see higher turnout especially among Democratic voters and there is a pretty good chance the Dems could sweep the house. With the weak lineup of Republican candidates, you're not going to have quite the same energy (even if there's the "Vote against that drat woman/Libby Lib!" reaction that is doubtful to get a rise out of the base).

Of course, the Dems holding onto the House in 2018 may be difficult but who knows :shrug:

The chances of the D's winning the house are pretty much zilch unless the GOP nominates like Ted Cruz and loses 42 states...

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I'd like to know what party John Kasich thinks he's a member of...

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Mr. Nice! posted:

this but unironically

This is what we have special forces for.

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Rygar201 posted:

No? He's currently plowing all his campaigns money into consultant groups to raise more money, which has better grift returns than paying for staff or voter rolls. He's not actually campaigning, and thus won't win.

I think the escaped mental patient who has kidnapped Dr Ben Carson and is keeping him tied up in a basement while he's using Dr Carson's remarkable career to make steal cash from 73 year old conservatives, might actually believe he has a chance to win...

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CommieGIR posted:

Let's be honest, they are just upset they can't impeach Obama.

Why can't they?

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fknlo posted:

Well, all the negroes voted for Obama just because he's black, so if we put one of ours up there they'll do the same thing!

It's more about cover for their racist policies.

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mdemone posted:

He basically can't stop himself from this kind of behavior. It'll be what sinks him eventually, he'll see a bit of a decline and freak out, which will really turn people off.

He was clearly saying that in a joking manor. You're reading much too much into that statement.

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seiferguy posted:

That's not a Trump issue. That's a Republican issue flat out failing to understand the Hispanic vote. Trump is forcing the issue with his rhetoric and causing all the other candidates to up their craziness to match the Trump.

They understand it. They just can't talk to both their base and Hispanic voters.

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Joementum posted:

David Vitter didn't just go Willie Horton, he's gone double Horton.

He really is a lovely guy that David Vitter, isn't he?

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I wonder what Hillary's excuse for supporting the death penalty will be in 10 years and if it was be as absurd as her excuses for DOMA, DADT or any of Bill's horrific crime policies...

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Trabisnikof posted:

Ah yes the absurd excuse of "if I didn't I wouldn't have been elected." Seriously, the Republicans cheered the death penalty, you can't see why not dying on this cross might not have been worth it?

Thats profound moral courage for ya.

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