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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Well, it's less the Opium Wars themselves and more opium itself because holy poo poo did that stuff wreck China. Though I guess there's a parallel in that it's the British Canadian government allowing its virtuous Chinese-Canadian citizens to partake in vile drugs.

But yeah, it's not so much a grudge specifically but the historical awareness of how opium was so devastating for China.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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PT6A posted:

This is good roughly 2% of the time and bad the remaining 98%.

Much like your posting.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Helsing posted:

Well, first of all, are we talking about 'communism' here as a vague yet to be realized end state that Marx and others described in only the vaguest terms or are we talking specifically about Leninism and its off shoots?

Whichever is momentarily more convenient for my argument.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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The Cheshire Cat posted:

There's more media dedicated to just being explicit right-wing propaganda, basically. It doesn't matter how bad they actually are because there is a deluge of spin and flat out lies coming from sources telling people that only THEY can be trusted, and the government has completely dropped the ball on the issue because clamping down on massive, deliberate campaigns of misinformation would be anti-"free speech". Although I don't even know how much that would help to be honest - one of the biggest problems is how much of our culture is affected by US media. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Canadians were just watching Fox News rather than a domestic source.

There's also the liberal idea of the marketplace of ideas. That if you just let all these different ideas out in the open to coexist, people will choose what's most rational and you can debate about what's better, etc.

People are not rational and giving hate a platform was a mistake. Right-wing media preys on exploiting these opportunities that are given to them in good faith but they will never, ever reciprocate because they are not interested.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Furnaceface posted:

Didnt they even offer to have the parts made here in Canada so we could fully maintain and support them? Like, how is our government this corrupt/dumb?

e: As soon as I ask the question I remember this dumb province elected a Doug Ford led OPC party to a majority. :negative:

The short answer is because Canada is joined to the US at the hip. Every time the "oh maybe the F-35 sucks, we will look into it" comes up there's absolutely nothing because Canada isn't going to pull out of this.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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zapplez posted:

Why ? If we just want to be cheap and not follow interoperability with the USA why dont we just get a bunch of new f-22s?

Because that's not up for export.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I think the Gripen is probably the right size/capability for Canada but that Dassault Rafale offer was insanely good.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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The hilarious thing is that the F-35 can't even do what it was originally meant to do, which was to save money by making three planes that were similar enough to share components to cut down on parts. Even without the 35B the others sacrifice so much that they're mediocre at best and have a limited payload...unless they carry more poo poo on external hardpoints and severely impact their stealth.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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http://reappropriate.co/2018/05/reconnecting-heart-and-head-racism-immigration-policy-wechat-and-chinese-americans/

I mean, it's not Canada but it's be stupid to say this isn't happening here too.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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A Typical Goon posted:

Hilarious that we are having the :decorum: argument today, on the one year anniversary of Heather Heyer’s murder

Yeah but you see that's the USA, here in Canada we

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I'm cynical and don't see a practical path towards halting or reversing climate change too but I sure as gently caress don't post to defend oil and gas.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Perhaps it's the company/society/capitalism's fault.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Pinterest Mom posted:

His electoral base is outside Toronto, and people outside Toronto might not think it's "For the People" for the premier to spend his time nursing petty grievances inside the city rather than governing the province.

Hahaha if you think they aren't also nursing petty grievances. Hell, his base has probably just conjured up being angry at Toronto all the time for no reason than because Ford is also mad.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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PT6A posted:

Well, yeah. It's a poor choice for the reason you describe, which then gives ammunition to gun nuts to say that our laws are stupid.

I wouldn't worry about giving ammunition to gun nuts because their outlook is already one of distrust for everything that would even dare reach for their guns. We do need to worry about people in the middle who don't like guns but go "gosh, why can't we just let them have their hobby?" etc. We need useful legislation we can point to when reasonable people, gun-owning or not, want to take a look at the issue.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Why, they don't even regulate your ability to walk

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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pokeyman posted:

I can’t think of the word for how I feel that nobody cares about this. It’s not a surprise, but I thought we wouldn’t be so... indifferent? I mean we can’t even fund one commission? Really?

It's just a quiet strategy of not acknowledging the poo poo that happened in the past. Plus, defunding studies like these cuts off the road to reparations. They can just make a fuss over not knowing how much it'll cost and they just don't want to punish people (as if individuals are going to be paying for reparations) while quietly making sure the studies don't get done.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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What was it, liberals hate leftists more than facists?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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infernal machines posted:

Hey guys, guess what?

https://twitter.com/jm_mcgrath/status/1044225254070145029

We're going after the previous government!

I guess working to keep the NDP out is going well.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I remember there being some hilarious scandal with the Kwantlen student association because of similar stuff, except they went as far as hiring a relative/friend of a friend's security company to intimidate students during voting.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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ChairMaster posted:

Anyways I don't have a family or any economic privilege at all, but I'm white and mentally healthy enough that I can probably get out of this country before it's too late, which is a way more realistic goal than trying to put the brakes on this hilariously obvious downslide.

Maybe it's just me but that sounds like family and economic privilege.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Terror Sweat posted:

Destroying the world for your descendants to trigger the libs

Look they love their children, and even their children's children. But they don't love them that much. And they don't love their children's children's children.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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infernal machines posted:

You have to admire the hubris of being a representative of a visible minority population, aligning yourself with a group that consistently works to kill support for visible minorities, and then being shocked that they did in fact kill government support for your particular minority group.

Face-eating leopard etc.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Baronjutter posted:

Actually there's a lot of people that are saying a limited nuclear conflict, like between India and Pakistan or China, would actually grimly offset a lot of climate change by throwing tons of poo poo into the atmosphere and getting rid of a ton of resource eating humans.

Also after seeing a nuclear war that's when the benevolent communist aliens will come and save us and our dolphin allies...

Sure, if we nuke all the rich.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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The other thing about donating to Conservatives is that you have literally no control or influence here. If you're really determined to have the Conservatives gently caress themselves over, it'd involve infiltrating them and rising to a level of power and/or influence that'd give you the levers you can use to gently caress them over.

Donating money to them and then patting yourself on the back is even more low-effort than voting against Conservatives.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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I mean, it's fine to wish you were born into better circumstances but the times I've considered those what-ifs, it's usually how well my family would be doing.

We'd sure be completely hosed if my parents went to America.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Arcsquad12 posted:

"Also, they tell me they're not racists."

"OPEN BORDERS BREED CHAOS"

"I'm not racist, I just have common cause with racists."

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Utgardaloki posted:

is it worth mentioning that we're on this subject because somebody quoted a basically ancient post by Helsing to call him out for, ironically, being obsessed with the subject?

or that Helsing's post was actually in response to someone else bringing it up and not some convoluted effort in his part to fire up the discussion?

y'all are fired up over either nothing at all, or because a someone who celebrates fascism is sitting in cabinet, and only one of those is worth the effort of being angry.

Well clearly the fact that this topic keeps coming up conveniently means that Helsing is orchestrating people to bring it up again.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Helsing posted:

I think the fact half the thread loved CI whereas most people complain endlessly about ChairMaster implies something unpleasant about the inner psychological lives of many CanPol regulars.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Baronjutter posted:

I'm not an anarchist, but I think you have a really unfair straw-manish opinion of what they want and believe.

Same.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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priznat posted:

I hate how the Canada Food Guide is now controversial for some idiots.

They’re just guidelines for good health you dunderheaded chuds!!!

I blame the internet

It's not really controversial. It's just the usual idiots making noise because it's from a group they don't approve of.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Baronjutter posted:

I know everyone says its a lock for the NDP but they've hosed up locks in the past. My stomach gets uneasy with the realization Horgan could be out and the liberals back in over this if it goes sideways.

Is there a reason why people in the NDP/Green's situation don't ram through as aggressive an agenda as possible as fast as possible? Why go so slow? They have the votes, they have no guarantee they'll stay in next election, so go nuts? Get all the real heavy policy changes done as early as possible so people have forgotten about the mass housing forfeiture and the landlord tax they rammed through in their first weeks. Or is the rich home-owners who just want to make sure no one cuts down the trees near their house that make up the green party holding them back?

That just seems to happen every time a "left" government gets in. They go slow, they try to represent everyone, they try to play fair and prove they're not going to start up gulags for landlords. But every time a right wing government gets in they just start aggressively loving poo poo up as fast as they can from day one.

Decorum.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Femtosecond posted:

Vancouver's socialist Coalition of Progressive Electors councillor Jean Swanson joined with the arch-NIMBY Councillor Hardwick in voting against a motion to support the proposed Skytrain to UBC. That this vote came after an impassioned speech at the public hearing by a UBC area Safeway manager who described how hard it was for her low wage earning workers to commute into work with the existing insufficient bus is incredible. Swanson has betrayed the workers that voted for her and discredited herself.

https://twitter.com/fabulavancouver/status/1090786274477203456

God drat it, and I voted for her too.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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Syfe posted:

So why do we have to act like private business is an efficient way to do it when the opposite is in fact true.

Because the Liberals and Conservatives are not that different and the NDP doesn't care to challenge the narrative.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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The Cheshire Cat posted:

Yeah just like how they definitely won't cancel the UBI pilot.

I don't understand the psychology of people who vote for Cons and then expect them not to do the things they're explicitly promising to do that align perfectly with their political goals. Like are they SO cynical that they're using "all politicians are liars" to somehow make the Cons more appealing by assuming they won't make good on all their worst promises?

Because they can relate to the Cons and think that works both ways so the Cons surely won't hurt them.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
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BGrifter posted:

ChairMaster was right.

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