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Grouchio posted:.....But why? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus we don't want russian ships in there
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PUGGERNAUT posted:How many times do you think people are gonna smugly bring up Robert Byrd and act like this resolves the Republican Party of all guilt? they've been doing the 'the KKK were democrats neener neener' thing for literally 40 years now, it shouldn't even register anymore
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Radish posted:Jeb! is what rear end in a top hat Boomers and Gen-Xers think Millennials are like with their supposed "everybody gets a trophy" and "I expect to get what I think I deserve right now" attitudes. jeb! is the epitome of A for effort not being a thing that exists in the real world. i absolutely believe jeb! has earnestly and honestly worked to get success in life, it's just that hard work doesn't guarantee success and he seems too hopelessly naive to know that the last line of this article sums it up http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/opinion/sunday/fall-of-the-house-of-bush.html quote:Jeb got confused. He thought he was still in an era when people had to pay their dues.
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Montasque posted:NEW Iowa poll from PPP: jeb! below jindal
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Nov 2, 2015 22:29
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Bird in a Blender posted:I have heard of more than a few Trump and Sanders supporters. I think it boils down to people seeing them both as outsiders that want to change the way the government works. Problem is that the changes they're looking for are completely the opposite of each other. People who only look at the barest surface don't seem to get that though. they're both in favor of government supporting the middle class like it used to before the Reaganite goof troop came to power. it's a testament to just how bad things have gotten that even the racists are willing to toss the racism aside to vote for bernie
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Nov 3, 2015 21:33
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it's going to be loving amazing when the american electorate wakes up from its 40 year libertarian fever dream and starts voting for democrats (sanders) and dixiecrats (trump) again
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Nov 3, 2015 21:39
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Fried Chicken posted:Interesting enough, bt it seems to miss out on a lot of the actual history of the conservative movement in favor of its internal hagiography, and thus doesn't understand why it pursues the goals it does, and thus why it can't break from them. Well it is written by a self-ID'd former neocon. I think the article is a little soft on movement conservatism and its merits, and seems a little nostalgic for the golden days of Reagan and the late 70s, but it is 100% correct in its assesment that conservatism is a dead/undead ideology that has no future except being slowly ground down to nothing by liberalism icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 16:14
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Business Gorillas posted:maybe i'm just not progressive enough but i can't feel bad for people that vote for people that slash the benefits of others and then get their own benefits slashed most of those people are aware on some level of what they're voting for. they're just so consumed by bile and hatred that they'd rather see it all burn including themselves than let other people benefit at all. they made their bed, now they can sleep in it
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Nov 9, 2015 22:26
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Absurd Alhazred posted:They don't seem to be the only people consumed by bile and hatred. I don't think bad decisions should lead to destitution and death. Not even voting R, or being gerrymandered into having R-dominated districts. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it's the reality, that the Republican electorate got exactly what it wished for, and this is the result. Whether it's good or it's bad, you can't blame that outcome on anyone other than the people who wished for and implemented it
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Nov 9, 2015 22:49
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so what happened in the debate? did trump come out ahead or at least not behind?
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Nov 11, 2015 07:04
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anyone who thinks the protesters should do anything other than storm the university's head office, raise the red flag from the roof, and declare Full Communism should have their D&D card revoked. complaining about the hurt feelings of CNN reporters should get you a term in a labor camp on top of that
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Nov 11, 2015 07:17
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joeburz posted:But have you thought of the free speeches and the liberties??? you know what we do to liberals around here
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Nov 11, 2015 07:39
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Nov 11, 2015 07:44
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DeusExMachinima posted:If he was throwing rocks through windows ok maybe. He threatened to murder people. 19 is old enough to know what that is. Throw they book at him. i mean, if you threw the book at every edgy, ironically racist 19 year old shitlord you would depirve 4chan of its entire userbase and reddit of half
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Maarek posted:If you are a protester the media is not really your friend, as they generally support the narrative of the powerful. The media is, however, a tool that you absolutely must use for your protest to actually work. If you have thousands of people demanding your college president resign and no one from the media reports on it, well, just ask the Iraq war protesters what it's like to have them ignore your demonstrations. I'm glad they invited the reporters back and I think if this is the biggest mistake those kids make their movement is going to be fine. That said, I don't care who you are you do not get to take a piece of the commons and fence it off and claim it as your own. That campus is also Tim Tai's home, too. how is this different from "where's the safe space for the straight white men?  "(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2015 19:33
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is there actually a legal precedent that public universities must allow free speech on their campuses? could i drive down to missouri tomorrow with a truckload of 'jews did 9/11' signs and parade them around on campus? because if not, appeals to free speech w/r/t these protestors fall much flatter to me
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Nov 11, 2015 21:37
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JT Jag posted:There are often sanctioned free speech zones you can occupy to say whatever the hell you want. Sometimes they have to be reserved. I'm imagining like a 10mx10m box surrounded by police cordons and laughing
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Nov 11, 2015 21:44
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alpha_destroy posted:And even that ends up being controversial! Earlier this semester black students occupied speaker circle so they could have an anti-racism rally and some kid started yelling that they were violating his free speech since they wouldn't allow the blaring of loud techno music to drown them out. sounds like some tumblrite far-left tyrrany to me. pretty soon we'll all be wearing identical jumpsuits and referred to by numbers instead of names
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comes along bort posted:poo poo like that happens all the time on campuses with abortion protests and street preachers and the like. There's generally a permitting or approval process depending on the school. but they could reject any request for approval arbitrarily, correct?
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Nov 11, 2015 21:54
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MaxxBot posted:Wanting to record an ongoing protest as part of your job is equivalent to parading around with hate speech laden signs? Legally speaking, it sounds like it yes
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Nov 11, 2015 22:34
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For a completely different, historical discussion: I saw mentioned in the right wing media thread something about the Missouri protesters wanting to remove busts of Jefferson due to his slaveowning legacy, and it got me thinking about the Democratic Party and its ideological heritage. Would it be accurate to say that the United States prior to the Reagan realignment of the 70s had essentially two separate, parallel liberal political traditions, roughly corresponding to the Jeffersonian-Jacksonian Democratic Party, and the Hamiltonian-Whig Republican Party, and that these two collapsed into one single one embodied in the post-70s Democratic Party? In that case the realignment of the 70s would probably be the most significant, fundamental political shift in the United States' history
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Nov 11, 2015 23:11
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I've always found the realignment theory only partially valid, in so far as the party that is not the Democratic Party has always been defined as the party of industrial interests, while the Democratic Party has defined itself in opposition to whatever interests industry is currently pushing (be it abolitionism, the gold standard, loose monetary policy leading to the Great Depression, high taxes, etc.) I think it has a lot to do with split between the north and south and the political inclinations of their respective elites, and as the country gained a newly minted, postwar middle class that cut across that split the two streams collapsed into one. At the same time it also ended liberal dominance, because the northern and southern conservatives also collapsed into one, and were strong enough together to achieve a level of influence they had never managed apart
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Nov 11, 2015 23:31
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so how does the military deal with hearing protection? i'm assuming all soldiers are just basically deaf? do they tell you you're going to lose your hearing when you sign up? (ahahahaha of course they don't)
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Nov 12, 2015 17:43
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Gecnan posted:http://download.militaryonesource.mil/12038/MOS/Reports/2013-Demographics-Report.pdf ahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaaha get hosed
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radical meme posted:A person who earnestly wants a gun
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Is this that Trump tweet from a few weeks ago that he walked back or something else? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-ben-carson-stories-stupid-people-iowa/story?id=35168986
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Nov 13, 2015 05:11
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if you thought this primary was insane now, wait till the end when Trump pulls everyone else down along with himself into the burning final implosion
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Nov 13, 2015 06:24
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JT Jag posted:Jihadist terror in the Middle East will never end as long as they have consistent sources of income. Sunni terrorists are the most prevalent and dangerous, and they are bankrolled by the Persian Gulf petrostates. Any intervention will be futile until this arrangement ends. IMO Israel Palestine is the actual cause of the Arab states being hosed. And Israel Palestine will never be solved because the US will never end its unilateral support for Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing. The gulf states are an important source of funding for Wahhabists, but they're not the actual political impetus for Wahhabism being a thing
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Nov 17, 2015 21:48
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zoux posted:Is there a meaningful (read:practical) distinction between Wahabism and Salafism? not that I'm aware of. i think Wahhabism is a stricter concept referring to the teachings of a guy named al-Wahhab, and Salafism is fundamentalist political Islam in general
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Nov 17, 2015 22:00
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zoux posted:Pretty sure Russia has a Judeo Christian belief system. their pure aryan-jewish lineage has been tained by mongol blood so now they're an asiatic power, sorry icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 17, 2015 |
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Nov 17, 2015 23:27
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Not a Children posted:
 The only upshot is that the Reagan/Bush mainline GOP establishment will finally collapse under the weight of all the white racism, leaving a weak, diverse center left and a plurality of angry, single-minded bigots. I'm not even sure that's an upshot though
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Nov 18, 2015 21:45
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Referencing an undertaking nearly universally regarded as an enormous mistake as proper support for one's stance
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Nov 18, 2015 21:58
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Thump! posted:Who the hell is this Ben Ghazi character? Nobody outside the hardcore GOP base gives a poo poo about Benghazi or has since it first exited the normal news cycle
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Nov 18, 2015 22:03
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Zionist shitrag The New Republic has a story -ing about people comparing Syrian refugees to 30s-era Jewish refugees https://newrepublic.com/article/124298/problem-comparing-syrian-jewish-refugees quote:The heated anti-immigrant talk from many European and American politicians in the aftermath of the Paris attacks has led those of us who find that response abhorrent to seek out strategies of our own. Things like, for example, reminding that the attackers were European. But the pro-refugee argument that seems to have stuck is the Holocaust analogy, which goes as follows: On the eve of the Holocaust, Americans held unfavorable opinions about Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany and elsewhere in Europe, which, as the punditry goes, is like Republican rhetoric on immigration. i'm the whining about Jews being brought into everything, right after a few paragraphs of "but what about US??????" icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 22:19
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Not since Chris Hughes bought it from Marty "gently caress arabs" Peretz i know, i just thought it was funny. maybe a relapse?
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Nov 20, 2015 22:49
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stephenfry posted:it should be noted that Krugman is a strange person to hold up as an authority, considering he is a strange thing these days: a purportedly liberal economist whose idealised priority is the old-fashioned "growth" of an economy or the "maximization" of GDP, rather than the collective human good (via reduction of inequality) or ecological stability Piketty's generation are interested in. you seem confused re:what the word 'liberal' means
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Wales Grey posted:I'd agree with stephenfry if this wasn't the USPOL thread, and therefore operating on US standards. (Feet, Pounds, Foot Pounds, Miles, Color, etc.) Krugman is 150% in the liberal tradition, and not just in the specifically American sense of the word. Utilitarian GDP maximization is as liberal as liberal gets. Bernie is also a liberal, albeit one who has his own weird formulation of liberal ideology. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 00:23
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Fried Chicken posted:This drops his focus on international economic issues in a very unfair way. That he would pick a policy that reduced domestic inequality to a lesser degree but also addressed global uplift over one that only addressed domestic inequality is not a good criticism basis for anyone who stands on the left side of the political debate I don't? Liberalism is cool and good, as is Krugman My problem with a lot of the Bernie-style 'leftist' critiques of liberalism is that they don't seem to have a very good understanding of either liberalism or the far left and their respective intellectual and historical contexts. Bernie isn't a leftist and nobody but American liberals with a vague sense of unease re:economic justice would call him one
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Nov 21, 2015 00:29
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think this has anything to do with emphasis on STEM, but more to do with emphasis on grades over knowledge and commitment. We've called schools out on this for decades, for emphasizing test scores over work quality and commitment. it's definitely the end result of the whole push to 'fix' America's education system by making it more like those run by the industrious Orientals (never mind that East Asian education systems are hot loving garbage and those countries have some of the highest suicide rates in the world)
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ceterum censeo Republicanes esse delendas i think i'm going to end all of my IRL conversations with that from now on
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