Medieval Medic posted:

The whole jewish people being enslaved and forced to build the pyramids has been debunked for quite a while now.

My Imaginary GF posted:

It's quite easy to prevent that loss: keep Israel a Jewish state and denounce anyone who would make millions of Jews stateless refugees, like Hitler and Stalin did in Eastern Europe, as antisemitic in their objective.

When millions of Jews are made stateless, history shows that before Israel, they are killed. After Israel, they have refuge and a nation willing to accept them and allow them to worship freely. BDS would make millions of Jews stateless once more and invite another holocaust in its goals. While BDS is not open in its antisemitism, its goals can result in no other conceivable course.

The Insect Court posted:

As constructive and useful a post as ever. Must I really point out the irony in you accusing Israelis of dehumanizing Palestinians?

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Whenever Israel kills a 14 year old there are people are falling over themselves to point out that they're totally an adult by Arab standards, yeah

-Troika- posted:

You can turn that around the other way though. Why should Hamas and other Palestinian militants get a free pass on exclusively targeting civilians?

Dead Reckoning posted:

That's insane. You can't say, "hey, if Israel doesn't want their citizens deliberately targeted for murder, maybe they should stop angering people who murder civilians" and expect people to take it as a serious & moral argument. Hamas and the other factions that perpetuate attacks against Israeli civilians have agency too.

That's not at all how it works at all. Winning a war doesn't make the winning side morally responsible for the other side's war crimes.

The Insect Court posted:

Must I really point out the irony of using the metaphor of stabbing someone to death with a knife given recent events in the region?

Dead Reckoning posted:

really awful metaphor

XMNN posted:

hi insect boy do you acknowledge that the idf has committed war crimes eg during their recent mowing the grass campaigns yes or no

The Insect Court posted:

That said, splitting down the middle on the 'is it ok to murder innocent people' question does not speak highly of the ability of the anti-Zionist posters to empathize with with both Palestinians and Israelis. The response to that question should not be another question asking what tribe the victims/perpetrators belong to.

The Insect Court posted:

I agree that these are the sort of things that an anti-semite would believe. Little surprised by your agreement on that, however.

The Insect Court posted:

Israelis are a bunch bloodthirsty monsters gleefully slaughtering Palestinian innocents

Kim Jong Il posted:

If North Carolina says you need a driver's license to vote, is the law having a disparate impact on minorities?

If Ted Cruz says cut entitlements like TANF and S-CHIP, is the proposal having a disparate impact on minorities?

If the answer is yes, then by the same reasoning any proposal directed at Israel, regardless of merit or lack thereof, has a disparate impact on Jews.

Maoist Pussy posted:

Counterpoint: the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East should be returned to the Arabian peninsula from whence it came.

Maoist Pussy posted:

Alternatively, when someone uses a word that implies mass murder to actually describe 'resettling landless people', you can assume he is being disingenuous. Also when he uses an insult implying racial hatred to anyone who disagrees with him.

The Insect Court posted:

Or if you want an actually good suggestion read 'Righteous Victims' by Benny Morris instead of anything by Khalidi.

The Insect Court posted:

Is it possible this is as stupid as it appears to be? Do you understand that the title of the book is not an endorsement of the idea that Jews were simply 'righteous victims' in 1947? Your posts have all been useless one-liners which indicate a more than usually complete ignorance of the subject, so I worry it is.

team overhead smash posted:

He's not presenting his own views, he's criticising the views of hakimashou who is literally supporting the ethnic cleansing and war crimes comitted by Jewish Israelis on Arab palestinians by rewording hakimashou's viewpoint to make it clear how awful the stuff hakimashou is saying is.

Of course rather than do something to actually defend against racism and anti-semitism when hakimashou literally approves and supports ethnic cleansing of arabs, you instead jump on an imaginary issue that only exists in your head because you think someone said something mean about Jews.

You've got messed up priorities which show how racist and hateful you are.

Nosfereefer posted:

My question still stands, TIC. Do you really think anti-Semitism is a joking matter?

The Insect Court posted:

It's always grimly amusing to watch how a certain variety of anti-Zionist poster comes to imitate , almost word for word. "Those lie-berals don't really care about the ghetto thugs, it's just a way for them to play the race card"

team overhead smash posted:

Except he's not making a blanket statement about people of other ideologies, his criticisms are very much directed at you in particular and what he's saying is supported by your entire posting history.

Yardbomb posted:

So what's the defense on this one gonna be, I can only wonder with bated breath.

Kim Jong Il posted:

Or you could spend two seconds on Google and learn that it's a commonly used term.

menino posted:

Seems to be a very common tactic

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/22/clinton-attacks-israeli-boycott-movement-in-aipac-speech/

The Insect Court posted:

I don't think I have to point out the fatuousness of suggesting that anything short of explicitly claiming that Jews as a group steal the organs of non-Jews can't be antisemitic. It's just as ridiculous as implying that the Willie Horton ad wasn't racist, because it didn't claim that all black men want to rape all white women.

The Insect Court posted:

Do you really not see how even if you begin with what is a factual occurrence, by contextualizing and presenting it in a way that is reminiscent of what are unquestionably antisemitic slurs even if you don't literally reiterate the same slur?

Kajeesus posted:

A lot of SA posters avoid this thread because it is considered a hotbed of anti-Semitism,

Ytlaya posted:

The only thing I can think of is that they consider military violence more justifiable solely because the military (in this case the IDF) attempts to make excuses for its violence, whereas terrorists just flat out say "yeah we wanted to kill civilians." Like, it's somehow better for the IDF to kill orders of magnitude more civilians as long as they claim it wasn't their primary goal.

hakimashou posted:

It's not just military violence. Many people believe that imprisoning somone who is convicted of a crime is not the same as kidnapping, that a fine imposed by a court is not extortion or robbery, or that the death penalty is not murder.

Slanderer posted:

This is literally genocide, actually

The Insect Court posted:

Where in this thread have Cuomo's problems with corruption probes been mentioned? They hadn't been until you brought them up in that post.

Dead Reckoning claimed that Cuomo could conceivably be in violation of federal anti-boycott laws. Crowsbeak imagined that it could lead to Cuomo's arrest.

Wanting a politician to held accountable for corruption is unobjectionable. But that's not what the discussion was about. It was about the anti-BDS executive order Cuomo signed. Hoping that Cuomo winds up behind bars because he signed that is objectionable.

Ultramega posted:

Kim Jong Il posted:

What do you think happens if millions of refugees come from Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan? Even if they merely demand that every 1948 property deed be honored (and note the anti-Zionists who throw a fit every time there's an eviction in Silwan using the same logic), that means the majority of Israelis would be expelled. There's no possible outcome for Barghouti's demands being implemented other than mass ethnic cleansing. By asking for impossible concessions and radicalizing the Israeli right, BDS has therefore done serious harm to the actual peace movement. How exactly is Israel supposed to interpret a demand to cease to exist?

team overhead smash posted:

Due to it being a presumption that it is fabricated and that being how the English language works.


Israeli rabbis do stand up for and promote ethnic cleansing.

Israel has been ethnically cleansing the Palestinians for decades.

Therefore believing and questioning a news report that says Israelis rabbis are promoting ethnic cleansing is not some crazy out there conspiracy like "MUSLIM OBAMA WANTS SECRET ISIS SLEEPER AGENT IMMIGRANTS TO RAPE YOUR WOMEN" but rather just a sad example of how if the story had been true, it would have just been one more example of human rights abuses against the Palestinians.

More importantly, on the scale of things ethnic cleansing related someone believing a story for a few days and then realising it is wrong and retracting their statement about it (which is what Abbas did) is about a million times less important than the fact that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing or the fact that Rabbis are literally promoting ethnic cleansing.

Yardbomb posted:

Admittedly not the thread for it, but as far as I've seen the probes into the "He was actually gay/conflicted sexuality" stuff kept turning up as actual misinformation from idiots. I mean I mighta missed something more recent, but the first good few all turned out to be bullshit and I've since kind of stopped looking that way. Not to say that ladies stupid implication is right though obviously.

Parts Kit posted:

You guys kind of conveniently ignore the whole "drive Israel into the sea" thing, huh?

NLJP posted:

I'm pretty sure the argument usually then goes 'ah ha! But they would if they could so we must always prevent them any means of doing so'. This of course means grinding even the idea of cooperation with and support of a truly functioning Palestinian state into the dust. It also means that if someone holds that idea in their head there is essentially no arguing with them because in this kind of sick realpolitik, emiseration and slow, grinding ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians is the only possible logical step.

YodaTFK posted:

For some reason palestinian racism gets filed away under a pile of continuously expanding settlements and punitive military expeditions that bomb water treatment plants. Weird.

Parts Kit posted:

Recognize that the problem is rooted in both sides and combat it instead of going "this side bad, other side justified" ? Because the reality is this poo poo isn't going to stop until both sides decide to put down their hate.



you guys are really hosed up in the head if you think these things.