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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
Degrowth to me means Number no longer go up which is impossible

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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
Didn’t Orwell get shot trying to kill fascists during the Spanish civil war?

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
It'd be awesome to play games from socialist development studios that gave a single goddamn poo poo about power efficiency

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Aug 6, 2019

Larry Parrish posted:

wish godzilla would melt the rich with his nuclear breath tbh. maybe i could get an apartment then

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bells_(Game_of_Thrones) :smug:

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
Ferguson, Standing Rock, Puerto Rico, etc etc

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Aug 6, 2019

Poniard posted:

I tried to read (first mistake) and I don't really "get" anarchism unless it includes illegalism which is imo a dumb word. if you're being revolutionary why aren't you breaking the law constantly

Yeah I admit a certain emotional pull to the insurrectionist strain of anarchism, but afaic the main criticism is that it centers individual decisions over collective action. How this intersects with adventurism or volunteerism, I don’t know. There’s so much to read.

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Aug 6, 2019

THS posted:

fans are always wrong. kill your fans

*you're

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Aug 6, 2019

ScrubLeague posted:

apparently the black panther guy is making a black panthers movie so that's cool

is the fbi gonna be the hero?

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Aug 6, 2019

Larry Parrish posted:

the liberals that infect this forum and d&d make me truly uncomfortable but i guess if i just keep calling them kid fuckers and bigots i'll eventually get the rich people off the forums

i'm shaking

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Aug 6, 2019

Serf posted:

too often i run into people who are like "yeah i'm a socialist but the bolsheviks were wrong to do a violent revolution. also markets are good. sankara, who's that?"

I learned about sankara from POD CASTERS because the rest of the internet is irony poisoned, these forums included

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
There was a movie called hot to trot that I watched a few times as a kid and all the early communist ideological conditioning went right over my head!

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
I’m not a scientist but it’s probably hard to maintain a socialist revolution when the US is out there wantonly killing millions to stop it

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Aug 6, 2019
eat the rich 😋

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Aug 6, 2019
I think communism won

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Aug 6, 2019
but this thread is free?

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Aug 6, 2019

Goast posted:

im pretty socdem compared to the other posters here but even the weeks of BERNIEBERNIEBERNIE have kinda weirded me out

yeah cool do that if you feel like it but the real test is if his thousands of volunteers, staffers or whatever are willing to beat the poo poo out of him to get every promise filled, which still isnt enough in the long term

Jesus take the win buddy

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
I’m max stirner and I approve this message

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Aug 6, 2019

Prince Myshkin posted:

And even here, with the exception of this thread (maybe others exist, I only read here and the movie forum and that's mostly for SMG) the farthest left people go is Bernard "Bernie" Sanders. I really don't get the reputation SA has on the rest of the internet for being this infamous hive of left-wing thought.

You can start more threads, they’re free

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Aug 6, 2019

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

I feel like a thread dedicated to teaching Marxism would be useful, maybe a readalong with an introductory text on philosophy since that's the big departure from liberalism. I've been meaning to read more intro level stuff to be able to reach out to people more easily anyway.

I used the RevLeft spinoff Red Menace to finally start doing the reading. There’s so much poo poo to read though.

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Aug 6, 2019

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

I appreciate Politzer for the way he hammers a few key points about dialectical philosophy over and over again until the reader is forced to have a breakthrough. I have some criticisms of the book but they don't really matter because he does that one thing extremely well. Anyone has tried and failed to grasp dialectics at a basic level needs to read him.

PDF here.

Looks like that’s only available as a PDF but having almost any text available in ePub format from that site has helped my reading considerably.

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Aug 6, 2019

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

I don't even know what's considered Lenin's Big Four aside from State and Revolution (the only long Lenin work I've read), so I would appreciate this thread.

I’m going to guess:

Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism
State and Revolution
What is to be Done
Left Communism

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

apropos to nothing posted:

most of what is to be done focuses on the question of building a revolutionary socialist party. there's more contemporary and shorter essays and pamphlets that help summarize the ideas and give historical examples.

this is a link to judy beishon's "the role of a revolutionary party" which helped me understand better how the party functions http://www.marxism.org.uk/pack/party.html, and it also references some other shorter but older works you could follow up on like "the class the party and the leadership" by trotsky which touch on similar ideas

an older one but still somewhat relevant is cannon's "the revolutionary party and its role in the struggle for socialism" https://www.marxists.org/archive/cannon/works/1967/party.htm

there's other essays and works out there that touch on and summarize the same ideas but those and some other works which unfortunately aren't available online anywhere are what helped me understand the role of the revolutionary party. always happy to talk more about it here or in pms too.

This was helpful. Heavy on the Trotsky hagiography and war metaphors but useful.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
imagine not wanting to combat liberalism lol

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Aug 6, 2019
the ned defender has logged on

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Aug 6, 2019

finally, I am the noble savage

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Aug 6, 2019

not reading the article, just gonna lol at the tweet

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Aug 6, 2019

dex_sda posted:

That's for sure, but it pays to notice that in information tech there recently has been a sort of a revolution. IT started as computers doing calculations, but now, they're networks linked together with decentralization and redundancy. Of course one must be careful of applying those abstract lessons to human society, but it's the way the world appears to be going currently. It may very well be that orthodox industry is simply lagging with the implementation of these new tools that could enhance it - and part of it might be due to capitalism preventing the processes that are necessary in a cooperative economy. (e; this might be why the zapatistas are successful: they unshackled from capitalism while embracing the way tech allows them to communicate between each other and with the wider world). I think you also understand my point of view about this. :)

I think it’s a vast oversimplification to call the capitalist internet of google and facebook and aws “decentralized,” but that’s as far as I can take it. cool discussion :-)

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Aug 6, 2019

smarxist posted:

The left has a dialectical philosophy, the right has fevered masturbatory fiefdom dreams

my understanding of philosophy is that all right thought eventually traces back to some form of divine or religious right precisely because it rejects dialectics

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
I guess a T is a kind of two axis graph

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Aug 6, 2019

Top City Homo posted:

western marxists are insufferable nerds.

*quotes pages of USSR regional grain reports*

*knows nothing about the federal reserve*

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Aug 6, 2019

indigi posted:

I'm bitter that I can't get any Michael Parenti books on Kindle

https://b-ok.org

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
it’s me, i’m the ML and/or anarchist who isn’t quite convinced the us govt is bad

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
great, promethean musk terraforms mars and guides an entire planet’s evolution

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Aug 6, 2019
sans-collar? sans-color? idk it’s some french word :v:

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Aug 6, 2019
I’m getting a lot of mixed signals, which at the very least means the left isn’t actively losing

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Aug 6, 2019

Nineball posted:

I definitely feel this though, but I'll admit to having troubles de-coupling flashbacks to the ultimate impotence of OWS to the current moment, despite the fact that there's really nothing in common between the two. IMO this is a personal failing.

yah I feel this, but I think the best thing we can do now is leave the detached ironic nihilism for the internet and project nothing but good vibes in the real

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Aug 6, 2019

Atrocious Joe posted:

After 2008. Tiabbi was one of the few journalists I can think of who gained a large audience by reporting on the crimes of the financial sectors and their government accomplices. Him doubling down on "cancel culture" debates right as the Fed is again using the money printer to give billions (at this point it might be trillions?) to bailout their friends is either incredibly stupid or suspicious. Maybe he just realizes bullshit culture war writing is an easier day job than picking fights with the entire banking sector.

i think he’s saying it wouldn’t take much to turn cancel culture on the left, which isn’t exactly unprecedented in history

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Aug 6, 2019

GalacticAcid posted:

it really saddens me that The Discourse has moved on from what looked at moments like a world-historically critical uprising against police impunity and its white supremacist ideological underpinnings, all unfolding as the social & economic structure of global empire’s seat proves uniquely unable to respond to a devastating pandemic.

I hear ya, but we all knew this was how it had to be. The uprisings to me have always been a completely unexpected win and should put to bed the annoying canard that "there is no left in America." If anything, the past few months should show that there is actually quite a large American left, in almost every city of every state. It's just poorly unorganized and unprepared to seize power.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
I’m looking at pictures of the red army, and that poo poo is definitely canvas or olive. like maybe a few a sashes of red, MAYBE. why do communists perpetuate these lies???

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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

uncop posted:

Would you prefer trotskys aesthetics?


Haha goddamn

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