kalstrams posted:

Your line of thought is the penultimate achievement of Putin's policies.

Brown Moses posted:

MH17 Truther logic on display

https://twitter.com/tedcruzinvasion/status/703724459652308992

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Fuckin' geometry, how does it work?

anilEhilated posted:

The USSR, in a more fascist variation. Tsarist Russia obviously doesn't encompass all that's rightfully Property Of The Russian Empire.

kalstrams posted:

Opus magnum of Putin definitely will be the restoration of former statehood, though I think of that of the Soviet Union.

anilEhilated posted:

Oh, that's right. Make is USSR with all the satellites. And Finland for good measure, it's obviously been Russian all along.

steinrokkan posted:

loving Starship Troopers is starting to look peachy compared to Russia.

Gobbeldygook posted:

I am reasonably optimistic that President Trump wouldn't nuke the world because he's been concerned about nuclear proliferation and war since 1987 (long read).

steinrokkan posted:

The Pope should start excommunicating people again, imho.

cyberbully posted:

Hungary seemed the same way, yet they've become much friendlier with Russia in recent years due to their common worldview to Putin and rampant conspiracy theories about U.S. and EU influence. I wonder why Hungary has turned the way it has where they try to use both the west and Russia to their benefit, whereas Poland is still all-in with hatred towards Russia despite having similar conservative values. Hungary has just as much of a reason to view Russia as the enemy from their well-remembered 1956 revolution, yet so many of them blame the U.S. for not saving them rather than blame the Russians who were the ones actually performing the massacre in Budapest.

steinrokkan posted:

There's very little common history between the Hungarians and the Slavs of the Habsburg Empire. If anything, the relationship is one of historical antagonism, with the Slavs often uniting with the Empire's Germans against the Hungarians who tried to subjugate Slavs within their domain. Notably during the 1840s rebellion in Hungary, Czech leaders lobbied at the Viennese court to be allowed to field a volunteer army of Czechs and Slovaks against Hungarians who were seen as more of a menace than the Austrian Germans.

steinrokkan posted:

To a large extent the rule of Franz Joseph is seen with a misty-eyed nostalgia, as a halcyon days period of our national history. This, however, has less to do with actual political history, and more with the way the period has been romanticized as a sort of a naive, lazy and innocent, pastoral era only slightly marred by the benign dictatorship of a kindly Emperor by popular authors, including pillars of Czech pop culture like Hrabal, Hašek, and the Jára Cimrman people. I think it's fair to say that in the popular subconsciousness the late Habsburg monarchy became an idealized counterpart to the Communist regime, a call back to a period when the nation still had its full potential, both economic and moral, unspoiled by wars and ideological dictatorship.

steinrokkan posted:

As for a more serious view of the overally period of Habsburg rule, it's been traditionally negative among scholars, seen as a dark age, but there's been a growing faction since the 19th century basically rehabilitating the modern Catholic history of Bohemia under Austria, and the cohabitation of Czechs and Germans as essentially a product of reciprocal forces between the Czech and German elements, and I think nowadays this camp has more credibility than the traditionalist view of the quintessentially Protestant Czech nation, descended from the Hussites, being suppressed by the xenophobic Austrians.

Palpek posted:

How exactly are they planning to track if somebody is going to have a same sex marriage?

A Pale Horse posted:

A survey showing how much Poles like people of other nations was released and surprise! We don't really like anyone! Except maybe the Czechs! I don't know why either!

The title says: Relation of Poles to Nations and Ethnic Groups

The columns are Green: Sympathy, Grey: Indifference, Red: Dislike, Blue: Hard to Say

I think most of you can figure out what the ethnic groups being referred to are. I'll just say Wlosi are Italians, Niemcy are Germans and Zydzi are Jews because those don't look that similar to other countries names in non moonspeak.

anilEhilated posted:

Well, getting rid of the "republic" bit feels honest to current development if anything.

NAT-T Ice posted:

Who are these Americans you're finding that actually know what Chechnya is?

Hell even after the Boston Bombings I'm not sure 50%would know.

Crowsbeak posted:

So the newstatesman had an article about the plane crash fear mongering going on in Poland now. In it it talked about the idiots calling for Tusk to be tried. Is there any chance of PiS actually going through with this?

A Pale Horse posted:

PiS is going full Putin.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/10/now-polands-government-is-coming-after-the-internet/


I'll give them this, they're executing their plan for authoritarian dystopia very competently. Remember when some of you thought they would just be a more right wing PO and called me hysterical for being alarmed? lol.

Doctor Malaver posted:

That's a strange choice of word, 'trained'. It implies that there's some outside entity (Russian military or secret police ) training hooligans. If they didn't want to imply that then they should've gone with 'hard core', 'experienced', 'veteran', etc. Other major football tournaments also had some uruk hai hooligans.

Rincewinds posted:

Finally we will get to know Trump's glove size.

Lichtenstein posted:

In Poland at least there's a "hooligan league" where groups set up skirmishes (along with rules what weapons are allowed for a given fight and expected group size) and assign each other points for who won. The meet-ups are often connected to their team's friendly matches, but not necessarily, if there's a period of boredom. They're often pretty chill towards each other post-battle (as opposed to intra-city semi-criminal rivalry, where you can get your head macheted off).

kalstrams posted:

Further north-east from Poland it's not as organised as in Poland, I'd say, but there nonetheless are training skirmishes and such, and the whole collective gym going etc. Same people sometimes also have a hand in shady "business" stuff, so just saying "trained Russian hooligans" is one of the most believable things you can say about them. Trained on Putin's orders by military or something is a conspiracy theory as good as any other, without proof, but claiming that radical Eastern European sports fans lack organisation is just a work of fiction, in my opinion.

alex314 posted:

Imagine the amount of courage needed to travel to Football World Cup in Russia to cheer for your team when said team plays Russia. Now imagine your team wins... That's some Warriors poo poo..

Young Freud posted:

Considering how connected Trump is to the Kremlin (for instance, his campaign manager got Yanukovich to oust Timoshenko in Ukraine) and how badly they want someone other than Hilary to weaken NATO and the sanctions, they would definitely be sharing that information.

anilEhilated posted:

That looks like they're blaming Dracula.

Palpek posted:

Because it was not Hungaria as the glorious country that made these posters but some crazy organisation: http://brexit.language-rights.eu/

Baronjutter posted:

Nato and europe in general should do a massive rollout of nuclear power and switching over to electric and waste-heat (from the reactors, which will be conveniently located within cities!) hot water systems to both hit their climate change targets and to be able to tell russia to gently caress off with their lovely gas.

Baronjutter posted:

Yeah that's working really great for germany.

Palpek posted:

Palpek posted:

Yes and yes. You have to realize that Poland only just regained independence after over a hundred years of non-existence and Pilsudski's conquers shortly afterwards are a symbol for many, not only nationalists. Of course it's all romantic rose-colored version of history.

Palpek posted:

This is closer to the truth than you imagine. Other legendary heroes include Pope John Paul II and all Polish kings at times of prosperity (like Wladyslaw Jagiello). They were all holy, pure and could have done nothing wrong.

steinrokkan posted:

Back when the Tartars settled the region, the upstarts we know today as "Russians" were still just a bunch of Muscowite regional aristocrats.

Kristov posted:

Lol. Is that merkel in the middle looking around awkwardly?

"poo poo, I knew I should've worn navy blue."

Cat Mattress posted:

Don't forget half the Belgians and some of the Canadians!

Cat Mattress posted:

English and French are both official languages of the organization, it's been like this since it was created, deal with it.

Cat Mattress posted:

The one who is a crybaby about language here is the one who is going "boohoo why do languages other than English exist". NATO has two official languages, deal with it.

Cat Mattress posted:

And I just think it's been like this since NATO was created in 1949 and whining about it now is what is really a waste of everyone's time.

fishmech posted:

There's this thing called "armies" that exist. I hear they can be used against Russians.

axelord posted:

To Free the Baltic countries we would need to take out Russian AA, Radar and Air units. Making a first strike nuclear attack on Russia easier.

In the middle of a war it's going to be impossible to see the difference between attacks made for freeing the Baltics and attacks made as a prelude to a nuclear strike.

axelord posted:

In war it's hard enough to know exactly what your own forces are doing let alone know exactly what your enemy is doing. In the Cold War we almost had nuclear war set off because a flock of birds. With missiles flying at both sides people dying how is anyone not going to see the worst intentions in their enemies?

A Pale Horse posted:

Until Putin decides he wants Finlands incredibly valuable bogs and the legions of weapons grade mosquitoes.

forkboy84 posted:

Mostly because British people tend to think that all our petty thieves & so forth moved here from Eastern Europe. Despite petty crime existing before Britain was in the EU.

awesome-express posted:

Lizards are not vampires, a common mistake