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GaussianCopula posted:PS: Exactly what I predicted after Merkels interview last week happened, Berlin is now officially endorsing the closure of the Macedonian/Greek border. So what are the chances of the "collective responsibility" actually meaning anything? Will Berlin push for "sharing the burden" or will it suffice to just throw more money at Greece?
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GaussianCopula posted:They are implementing the resettlement plan for 160k at the moment, with Portugal and France having taken a few refugees tonight. Other than that there might be some resettlement directly from Turkey if Turkey plays ball and the number of refugees that arrive in Greece drop drastically. If that does not happen, we will see. I don't speak German so sorry if these questions are dumb; there was noise some time ago that Merkel is facing heavy criticism for her "open arms" rhetoric, has something changed in the German political landscape that'd drive the push for distributing refugees into the EU? Finland is currently having a poo poo-show with our internal politics and no one is discussing the refugee crisis, but it doesn't seem like the issue has become any less controversial.
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GaussianCopula posted:Well the far-right populists of the "Alternative für Deutschland", who a lot of people believed to be dead early last summer, when they decided to switch from being an anti Euro bailout party to being outright racists, rose like Phoenix from the ashes and just yesterday was the 3rd biggest party in the municipal elections in Hesse with around 13%. There are 3 important state elections next week, and it looks like they might even beat the SPD in one or two of those states. Thanks for your patience  Okay, so what are the not-racist parties suggesting? Presumably they'd want to isolate the openly racist party representatives even if they win elections. Are there any (not racist) ideas about what should happen with the refugees already in Germany?
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Aliquid posted:I'd assume house them, educate them, and employ them. Have you actually looked at the different parties' ideas yourself? I admit to being a lazy goon, but it seems simpler to have a distilled version of what the various parties are saying rather than trying to wade through whatever gobbledygook they've bothered to translate on their websites for us non-Germans  I'm sorry if my inefficient behaviour angers and or saddens you, friend, but I'm simply trying to hear what the man on the street in Germany thinks is going on!Housing, educating and employing people sound like good ideas, but it would be helpful if something a bit more detailed was on offer. There's fairly substantial unemployment in Finland, for example, and while even I am dimly aware that Germany is doing much better on the economic front, there are still questions of language and cultural barriers, systematic racism and so forth. Right? So how do the folks who aren't calling for FULL SCALE HITLER want to tackle these problems? Much of the discussion in Finland, for example, has been revolving around how many folks we can ship back out of Europe, and I'm curious if the not-racist parties in Germany have a more pro-active mindset.
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R. Mute posted:How can you discuss feminism in the context of European politics without wandering into feminism in a more general context? Especially considering the types that frequent this thread. Maybe you can start a feminism megathread (because that won't be awful at all), and we can use this thread for discussing current events in European / EU nations?
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't have that problem in Chrome. How nice for you. It is, however, a problem in Firefox.
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The Finnish green party, back when it was starting up in the 80s, featured such notable intellectuals like Pentti Linkola, who is known for advocating human genocide on a large scale, and having a spirited argument in a Finnish popular science magazine where he explained to a doubting Thomas that the Shoah was a profoundly ecological deed.
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I thought he was involved in forming whatever it originally was, but left doors banging when the party that was formed wasn't genocidey enough for him? Apologies if I associated the Greens with him erroneously.
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YF-23 posted:^e; Fusion might be cool, but I don't know how safe it is in case of total failure. If it's completely safe then yeah all for it, but even so it's still a much more experimental technology that would have to get off the ground floor, with renewables there's a bigger practical base to work on. I'm also going to go ahead and say the installation of a fusion reactor is probably much more expensive than that of renewables. The only ways for a fusion reactor to fail involve some combination of losing sufficient temperature, pressure or feed of material to sustain a reaction. A fusion reactor is much less like a hydrogen bomb being kept at just below the bomb part than fission piles, and even those are pretty drat secure nowadays. You always get contaminated material as waste, so there is that.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Is Turkey even anywhere near being able to join the EU? I mean, just according to the rules, ignoring the rightful and not so rightful opposition to their ascension within EU members. Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so After all, who today speaks of the massacre of the Armenians, we have a Europe to unify! 
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Apr 25, 2016 15:50
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Finland doesn't use the 1 and 2 cent coins, but if you pay by card you pay the exact amount. So sometimes you win over paying cash, sometimes you lose. How exciting! 
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waitwhatno posted:Did a lot of people complain when you switched to the new system? Like, complain about being "ripped off" by the store? This was decided when we adopted the euro, we never had 1 and 2 euro cent coins so no one misses them. I can't remember if we had 1 penny coins back when we still had the mark.
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In other news,quote:Czech President Milos Zeman has called for the Czech Republic to hold a referendum on its membership of the European Union and NATO following Britain's shock vote to leave the EU, though he said he backed his country staying in both organizations.
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Cat Mattress posted:Isn't Miloš Zeman a devout Putinist? That article says quote:He has also stirred concern in some Western capitals for holding views sympathetic to Russia in the Ukraine conflict, although the Prague government, which runs foreign policy, has strictly upheld the EU policy of sanctions against Moscow.
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In yet other news,quote:In the wake of the UK's Brexit vote and the decision to leave the European Union (EU), the Hungarian President, Janos Ader, has ordered a nationwide referendum on October 2.
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Private Speech posted:What's the vast majority of reputable research into the economic effects of immigration since the 50s, 'precious'? You sadly seem to be labouring under some rather, ehm, grandiose ideas about the influx of folks lately 
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Nitrousoxide posted:Really? People saying refugees are less useful that newborn babies? "People" were comparing newborns to "scientists, doctors and engineers", and uh
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Speaking of racism in Europe,quote:German intelligence services have evidence that “hit squads” from the Islamic State terror group have infiltrated the country disguised as refugees, the deputy head of Bavaria’s spy agency told the BBC Thursday. This, uh, sounds kinda bad? Is politico.eu a reliable news site?
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Aug 11, 2016 20:10
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Friendly Humour posted:Which people said that? "Questioning the motives of refugees is racism", the Minister of Interior of Finland, summer 2015.
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Aug 12, 2016 10:07
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Isn't that the fad in China because the ladies don't want to get tanned?
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Rammstein have said in interviews etc. that they've been influenced by the work of Laibach, who... Kinda ran with the Nazi aesthetic thing in the 80's.
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drilldo squirt posted:This is what the nazis believed and I think we can all agree they sucked and are bad. This is a ridiculous line of argument and surely you know it; we today think animal rights and curtailing smoking are good things, but so did the Nazis, which does not invalidate these things. You should argue against rampant racism / rabid nationalism on their merits, which certainly isn't a shallow well.
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Majorian posted:Except that we're talking about actual legislation and ordinances that discriminate against a religious minority. Which makes the Nazi comparison a much more apt one than if we were talking about animal rights and curtailing smoking. I'm not sure that follows. For example, the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics also discriminated, to varying degrees over time, the practice of religions, would they too be an apt comparison? And conversely, the National Socialist state did legislate improvements to animal rights, and legislated and publicly campaigned against smoking. It's a silly argument to just yell NAZI NAZI NAZI and call it a day when you could, you know, discuss the actual legislation happening in the year of our Lord 2016. But I suppose it's more viscerally satisfying to Americans to yell NAZI NAZI NAZI and call it a day?
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Majorian posted:Are you really, actually arguing that I'm being unfair by suggesting that the defining domestic feature of the Nazi period was ethnic/religious/cultural repression? No, like I said in my first post on the topic, it seems stupid and reactionary (and at least at this stage hyperbolic, we'll see when the ovens get warm again) to start yelling NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS instead of arguing on the merits of what is actually transpiring today.
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Majorian posted:I don't think that was people's initial reaction. It seems to me that people have been mostly arguing about the merits of what's transpiring today, and only started making the Nazi comparison a ways into the discussion. But that said, the fact of the matter is, we're talking about legislation and ordinances that are flat-out geared towards discriminating against an ethno-religious minority. Like it or not, that's pretty fascistic. I'm not really keen on getting into the nitty-gritty of fascistic theory and practice, however it seems to be a bit of an empty path to argue at the moment unless the working hypothesis is that banning certain types of swim wear is a certain indicator of systematic genocide in the near future. Which is the only merit the Nazi comparison could possibly have, versus simply pointing out that bigotry in general is offensive.
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Can someone rename this thread the 'Racism Megathread' and maybe start a new europol? (I'm fairly sure I've made a similar request before  )
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Tesseraction posted:This is the fourth iteration of such an attempt. I am aware, but at least the stupid swimwear discussion shut down after a mod clamped down on it; if we could similarly avoid the endless "is the mohammedan a fundamentally degenerate beast-man" circular firing squad from erupting every other day this'd be a much more readable thread. At least that one Tony Blair avatar man still bothers to post relevant news articles
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Most muslims are normal people. Everybody agrees on that right? So why does everyone get so flared when I point out that muslims rape more etc.? That's just fact. Should I feel bad for saying it? Because it's true. Maybe I should differentiate between refugees and muslims in general or something, but I think these things are more of a norm in a muslim communities than in others. But that makes me a racist, because you cannot point any wrongdoing of muslims. Because that's racist. See where that leads? It leads to the endless slap fest of "ur racist" "nuh uh!" "lol ur a troll racist" "nuh uh", which could, and IMHO should, be contained to its own thread. There are other things happening in Europe than the EMERGING CALIPHATE, but they get drowned under the racism-notracism white noise.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Which you guys are really good at. I'm not a racist, but I get called so multiple times. Seriously people, you have no loving clue what you're doing yourselves. I'm presenting facts, you shout I'm a racist. Then you whine that it devolves into racist/not racist discussion. See that? No? loving hell.. I have not called you a racist, I'm sick in general of the entire white noise machine around it.
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Kurtofan posted:Can't England or Germany annex us? The whole point of the EU is to keep this from happening again 
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doverhog posted:Why are they staying in Calais, in terrible conditions, if they no longer are trying to cross to Britain? Is all of France just as terrible, or what? Presumably many of them only have friends/family in Calais, and they have nowhere else to go with any kind of social support available?
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steinrokkan posted:And how will he get that one delivered, smart guy? Several smaller ones, of course.
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Finland is a dark, damp and cold wasteland, inhabited by drunken racists. Our government is composed of, in order, the child-raping rural party, the fascist party and the neo-liberal party. You will be stabbed and spat on. Do not move to Finland under any circumstances.
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If any of you freaks wants to be within 3 meters of a Finn, you should consider (better) medication IMO I mean, Jesus Christ
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Geriatric Pirate posted:How can you support the EU The burning question of our time
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Yeah, let's have an Austrian running stuff in a big European state, what could go wrong 
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The proud Teuton doesn't pick up the tab for some swarthy Greeks, sir
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steinrokkan posted:My main takeaway from this thread is that the death of Nokia has hosed up Finland in much more deep and subtle ways than I would expect, materially, politically, but most of all psychologically. In Finland, we have saying, "Finland is a banana republic that ran out of bananas."
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blowfish posted:watch europe start another loving war The Finnish president Juho Kusti Paasikivi, practically on his deathbed in the 1950's, told his successor "Germany has started two world wars, and it will start a third one. I will not be here to see it, but you might be. Make your decisions accordingly." Rappaport fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Fiction posted:What issue do you have exactly with poor pensioners being given the money they need to survive? They're lebensunwertes Leben, that's the only justification you'll ever need, friend. Namaste.
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