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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Welcome to the November edition of the United Kingdom Mathematics Trust, in which we discuss Euclidean geometry, where parallel lines never cross, and Marxian geometry, where the history of all hitherto existing geometry is the history of set struggles.
(Also UK Mega Thread; UK Manga Thread; UK May's Terror)

Now with a new thread motto:
https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312

The Conservative Party had a conference and basically went full fash, employee counts on foreigners and insane cop torture and Brexit, which means Brexit, by next March.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/tory-leadership-election-x-factor-choosing-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle posted:

Theresa May communicates something horrifying, not through her appearance, but rather her unique expression of unwavering, furious disgust. It is the expression some nameless, pitiless archon will wear 50 years from now as it signs a contract to rent out our city centres to pharmaceutical companies so they can crop-spray viruses and harvest antibodies from any survivors. It is the expression Lucifer wore when the other angels attempted an intervention.

ultrabindu posted:

I wish they were still making good Red Dwarf.

There's also been this whole loving thing about checking the teeth of refugee children to prove that they're actually children. Apparently over half of the country supports it. Come join our descent into fascism.


Article 50 Countdown: 151 days

In The News :sax:
• Diane James quits as leader of post-relevance UKIP after only 18 days. The new leader will be chosen using single combat
• Minister for Egg Marketing Sajid Javid approves plans for fracking in Lancashire
• British Harambe is stereotypically less eventful than the American version, drinking a gallon of blackcurrant squash before being peacefully recaptured
• Louise Mensch watched a cartoon porns and posted about it
• Glasgow approves plans for safe injection rooms and heroin maintenance
• The falling value of stirling leads to a price increase for replica England kits

TACD posted:

Who needs a whole kit to make a replica England, just find a piece of dogshit and stick a little sign in it that says "gently caress OFF, WE'RE FULL"

November is also the month of Souls in Purgatory, so spare a moment and pray for guidance for all our souls. Especially this bunch of our souls:


It is also traditionally the month in which Soul Cakes are eaten, which are a real thing and not just a baked good delivered by ducks in Pratchett novels, and are made as so:-
Ingredients (Special Brexit UKIP instructions in proper units in parentheses (brackets)):
170g butter, softened (6oz)
170g caster sugar (6oz)
3 egg yolks or egg substitute (eggs, send Vegans back home)
454g plain flour (1lb)
5mL ground mixed spice or allspice (1tsp)
Pinch of salt (sodium cyanide)
Warm milk

Oven: 180°C / 450K (350°F / Gas Mark 4). Bake 1200-1500s (20-25 minutes).

Method:
Cream the butter and sugar together in a bowl until fluffy, then beat (discuss political differences) in the egg yolks. Sift flour and spices, add and mix to a stiff dough. Knead thoroughly with salt and roll out, 6.35mm (.25 ACP) thick; cut into 75mm (3") rounds and set on greased baking sheets. Prick (Douglas Carswell) cakes with a fork and bake; sprinkle lightly with powdered sugar while still warm.

A Bundle of Threads With an Axe Head

Brexit Countdown, Boris J, Red Labour, PM May
UKMT October 2016
UKMT September 2016
UKMT August 2016
UKMT July 2016
UKRIP June 2016 Brextravaganza!

Sterling Crisis, Banking Passport, Bad Portfolio
Brexit Financial Crisis Thread

Nat McGarry, Referenda, Scottish Labour's Poor Agenda
Scotpol Thread

Nazi Action's Sticker Faction, Putting On A Show
EDL/Fash Thread

Refugees, Hate Speech, Burka Bans, On Our Beach
Europol Thread

Murdoch, Paedophiles, Rotherham's Missing Files
Paedogeddon/Press Corruption Thread

Network Rail, Bob Crow, Southern Trains Are No Go
Trainchat Thread

Twitter Spats, Racist Macs, Goya Clones In Big Piles
Political Cartoons Thread

We didn't start the server, but we often chat there when QT is on air
#ukgoons on synIRC (thanks crispix).

Finally, keep the following in mind

quote:

1. It's not a person's fault if they are poor;
2. It's not their fault if they are disabled;
3. Neo-liberalism doesn't work;
4. The Daily Mail lies (maybe even about Pig Dave and charity);
5. Neo-liberalism has never worked;
6. The British Empire was not a force for good;
7. Neo-liberalism will never work;
8. Trans people are not "men in dresses";
9. Gendered insults are not okay;
10. If something is "so gay" it had better be something that is really happy;
11. Trains are awesome;
12. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles;
13. Hope is a lie;
14. Toby Young is wrong, even if he accidentally states something factually correct.

Bonus Namine:

Other Resources:

Another Person posted:

Figure I may as well throw this in while I am at it for any interested, I find it incredibly useful as a resource. If you have not done so already, sign up for an email subscription of the Parliamentary debate packs and policy briefings.

They offer an email subscription where they will basically send you .pdf summary files of debates taking place in Parliament. You can tailor your subscription to focus on specific policy areas if you want, and you can have it set up so they send you the .pdf as soon as it is available.

You can do this by going to here: https://public.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKPARLIAMENT/subscriber/new?preferences=true

An example of these debate briefs can be found here at the bottom of the page, which is where I got the graph above from: http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CDP-2016-0203

From a information standpoint, they are actually excellent packs of information and usually you can find the criticism the government wants you to overlook within them. Their statistical briefings are usually pretty drat good, and they give a good summary of what the stats indicate beneath. Of course the actual debate minutes part is usually full of the use hot air you would expect an Parliamentarian to give in a speech, but the stat analysis can sometimes be pretty damning.

I'm signed up to receive basically everything that goes through Parliament and as a politics student, it is an exceptional resource.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Nov 5, 2016

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Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
I heard that Brexit was entirely due to a misunderstanding of the difference between an improper and uninformative prior.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Momentum falling out over how best to collectively organise a left-wing mass movement.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I heard that Brexit was entirely due to a misunderstanding of the difference between an improper and uninformative prior.

I heard it was thanks to the Leave campaign's use of imaginary numbers.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Some sub-editor must have been gagging for over a year to finally get to use that headline.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

big scary monsters posted:

I heard it was thanks to the Leave campaign's use of imaginary numbers.

Well, repeating their mistakes will still end up with a negative.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

big scary monsters posted:

I heard it was thanks to the Leave campaign's use of imaginary numbers.
:vince:

The Graun's barely concealed joy aside, we might actually get to see some interesting group discussion about direct vs. representative democracy coming out of that.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

it's the 1980s all over agaiiiin

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Awesome OP, as always.

JFairfax posted:

Nissan was convinced to stay in the UK with a promise of no tariffs or extra bureaucratic burdens on the car industry after Brexit, the business secretary has finally revealed, prompting fears that sector-by-sector deals could cost the taxpayer “colossal amounts of money”.

Greg Clark caved in after four days of pressure in an interview on Sunday to reveal some details of how the government convinced the Japanese manufacturer to produce a fleet of new vehicles at its Sunderland plant. The Tory minister said he wrote to Nissan with a series of four assurances as he went “all out” to allay concerns about Brexit, promising that the government was confident of securing a deal that would keep the car industry competitive.

Just catching up a bit and I noticed this comedy quote above. Seems like Nissan's management have really made a blunder if they're making investment decisions purely on the basis of the government's "It'll be fine, we buy more cars from them than they buy from us" line, rather than actual promises of future bribes subsidy to make up for tariff imposition.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

What's the November 9th Party? The day after US Elections surely but what is there to celebrate? November 5th should be Corbyn's party.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Defunct Neo-Nazi pressure group. Raised some of the same talking points as the recent Tory party conference.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Prince John posted:

Awesome OP, as always.


Just catching up a bit and I noticed this comedy quote above. Seems like Nissan's management have really made a blunder if they're making investment decisions purely on the basis of the government's "It'll be fine, we buy more cars from them than they buy from us" line, rather than actual promises of future bribes subsidy to make up for tariff imposition.

It's not like we can know for certain what's actually going on with that, you only say that someone tried to bribe you if you're not taking the bribe.

I can imagine some sort of "And of course the government always takes a proactive approach where saving a large number of jobs is concerned. We're all hoping that everything happens as we set out earlier, but on the off chance that this does not happen it would be in our own best interest to secure the plant's continuing operation." And regardless of if it's been said or not Nissan can always claim that the government made promises alon those lines to them, there isn't anyone who can disprove it and it'd be good for a bit of last ditch blackmail.

Seems like a risk worth taking over the relocation of an entire plant.

e: Of course you can always do it later anyway. No reason not to wait and see how things shake out.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 1, 2016

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Show me the booty.






I need the booty

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

The Graun's barely concealed joy aside, we might actually get to see some interesting group discussion about direct vs. representative democracy coming out of that.

there'd be discussion certainly, but I don't foresee it being very good when either side is transparently in favour of direct balloting/delegates mainly because it gives them an ephemeral advantage amongst the members that an organization with no barrier of entry happens to already have

you can be darned sure lansman is double-checking that his gotv mailing lists are in order, and conversely that the fbu already has delegates lined up in marginal locals

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Momentum needs to accept that the internet is real

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Prince John posted:

Awesome OP, as always.


Just catching up a bit and I noticed this comedy quote above. Seems like Nissan's management have really made a blunder if they're making investment decisions purely on the basis of the government's "It'll be fine, we buy more cars from them than they buy from us" line, rather than actual promises of future bribes subsidy to make up for tariff imposition.

I don't think a multinational facing a major logistical decision like this would be swayed by the Tories saying they're totes confident everything will be great, especially after all the delusional unicorns and rainbows talk that makes up their public brexit platform

They're a business making a hard business decision, they'll have been given something concrete that provides them with a safety net. If it's not direct money or tax breaks, it's probably something like a guarantee that the government intends to prioritise a good deal for the car industry and gently caress everything else. Wouldn't surprise me given how often the STRONG ECONOMY line is based on all these cars the EU is fiending to buy from us, if we lose that we're down to tea party supplies

This is probably why the government refuses to outline any plans or 'show their hand' or whatever - the plan they're formulating is going to be poo poo and involve desperately focusing on a handful of priorities at the expense of mad concessions everywhere else, and they don't want anyone to find out exactly what banana car republic future they're throwing us into until it's too late

Maybe we can export Guavanaut's fine artisanally crafted OPs

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
NewsUKUK Politics
More than 300,000 children dragged into benefit cuts, research reveals

Some families will lose more than £100 a week from the lower cap, says the Chartered Institute of Housing – plunging them into poverty and homelessness.

More than 300,000 poorer children will be hit by a new benefit cap coming in next week, a new study warns – with some families set to lose more than £100 a week.

The Government is being urged to rethink a dramatic lowering of the controversial household limit on social security payments, or face a devastating surge in poverty and homelessness.

The lower cap – £23,000 in London and £20,000 outside the capital – was announced by George Osborne last year, but will not come into force until next Monday, just weeks before Christmas.

Now research by the Chartered Institute of Housing (CIH) has found the numbers who will be affected is significantly higher than the Government expects. Pressing ahead will fly in the face of Theresa May’s promise, in her Conservative conference speech last month, to “make society fairer for families”, it warned.

Terrie Alafat, the CIH chief executive, said: “Our analysis shows many families could be one redundancy or a period of ill health away from being in this situation.

“This could have a severe impact on these families, make housing in large sections of the country unaffordable and risk worsening what is already a growing homelessness problem.”

And Imran Hussain, director of Policy at the Child Poverty Action Group, said: “A lower benefit cap is crueller and more damaging for children.

“The only way to escape the cap is to work a certain a number of hours but, as the Government itself recognises in the rest of the benefits system, this is practically impossible for those with children under school age. They are trapped with nowhere to go.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-a7389736.html

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Happy new month thread, just remember

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Sir David Attenborough has come up with a great solution for dealing with right wing politicians.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

I had a little chuckle before clicking that the answer would involve murder and welp

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


'Urban violence'? Pissflaps, is that you?!

TheHoodedClaw
Jul 26, 2008

Michael Heseltine: Dog Strangler.

https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/793405814715408384

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/793396719882993666

TheHoodedClaw fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Nov 1, 2016

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy


Look, I know hope is a lie, but this from the Pounded By The Pound thread has left me with some hope that Brexit cannot and will not go ahead.

In fact, I wonder if the Ministers responsible for making Brexit a success are deliberately being loving useless so that when this eventually makes it to the floor, every man and his dog will be badgering their MPs to vote against Brexit.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

The DPRK posted:



Look, I know hope is a lie, but this from the Pounded By The Pound thread has left me with some hope that Brexit cannot and will not go ahead.

In fact, I wonder if the Ministers responsible for making Brexit a success are deliberately being loving useless so that when this eventually makes it to the floor, every man and his dog will be badgering their MPs to vote against Brexit.


ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Happy new month thread, just remember



Also, don't forget the Tory Expanded Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice or stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice AND stupidity."

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
I can't believe clinton is a gooner as well as corbyn.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/793205298282496000

People reminding John McTernan what an abject failure he is when he pretends to be a man whose analysis is worth listening to remains one of the best parts of Twitter.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

The DPRK posted:

Look, I know hope is a lie, but this from the Pounded By The Pound thread has left me with some hope that Brexit cannot and will not go ahead.

In fact, I wonder if the Ministers responsible for making Brexit a success are deliberately being loving useless so that when this eventually makes it to the floor, every man and his dog will be badgering their MPs to vote against Brexit.

its happening

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012
Can't see the Tories risking dropping their new ukip supporters/ tory eurosceptic wing by backing out of Brexit.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Great polling data for Labour showing the gap narrowing to just 16% according to ICM

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/793421053057982465


#labourfightback?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Not great polling data for Labour with BMG having the Tories extending their advantage by 3 points for a gap of 15%.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/793420073759277056

Daius
Sep 10, 2010

Clearly, the fact that the English public is rightwing is Jeremy Corbyn's fault

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Daius posted:

Clearly, the fact that the English public is rightwing is Jeremy Corbyn's fault

You're supposed to let Pissflaps say that. Its his only line.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I think the current plan of 'wait for people to agree with us' needs some refinement.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

The DPRK posted:



Look, I know hope is a lie, but this from the Pounded By The Pound thread has left me with some hope that Brexit cannot and will not go ahead.

In fact, I wonder if the Ministers responsible for making Brexit a success are deliberately being loving useless so that when this eventually makes it to the floor, every man and his dog will be badgering their MPs to vote against Brexit.

hahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*wipes eye* oh man, good one

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Pissflaps posted:

I think the current plan of 'wait for people to agree with us' needs some refinement.

i feel like a better line of attack would be "look, he managed to get a whole percentage point of green voters! now, he needs to completely obliterate them as a political party and he'll only be 11% down"

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

TomViolence posted:

Anarchism is just a form of collective social organisation that rejects hierarchy. The idea that an anarchist society necessitates a power vacuum or a lawless and disordered situation where the strong prey upon the weak gets a lot of currency because people often fundamentally misunderstand what the world would look like without their masters. Anarchism is about the dissolution of arbitrary and harmful power structures, so a self-organised society of that type could still have a rule of law and even some form of the social contract, but one which has been radically revised.

The "human nature" non-argument gets tossed out a lot, but if you don't trust your fellow man to rule himself why on earth do you trust him to rule over others or pick others to rule over him? If "human nature" is as venal and hateful and greedy as people seem to believe, then anarchism cannot be any worse than the status quo in that regard.

But society self-organizes into hierarchy. Hierarchy is the self-organized society.

We've worked long and hard to build a society where the hierarchy isn't just the hierarchy of who has the most loyal and violent friends and supporters.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Pissflaps posted:

I think the current plan of 'wait for people to agree with us' needs some refinement.

With some sort of guillotine device, perhaps?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

hakimashou posted:

But society self-organizes into hierarchy. Hierarchy is the self-organized society.

We've worked long and hard to build a society where the hierarchy isn't just the hierarchy of who has the most loyal and violent friends and supporters.

No it doesn't. No it isn't.

If we have, we've done a poo poo job of it.

Basically [citation needed] for everything you just claimed.

Daius
Sep 10, 2010

hakimashou posted:

But society self-organizes into hierarchy. Hierarchy is the self-organized society.

We've worked long and hard to build a society where the hierarchy isn't just the hierarchy of who has the most loyal and violent friends and supporters.

Tell me about how the history of land ownership supports this

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Labour are hosed. Their last hope is another loving boring white man but this one was a soldier?

Maybe if corbyn deselects everyone and brings in shitloads of newbies they have a chance in a decade or so otherwise it's slow and inevitable death for some time.

Alternative I guess would be to bin corbyn and bring in whichever middle of the road neoliberal wants the job next, they'd still massively lose 2020 but might sneak back in by default once people tire of the tories. So... Basically the same chance corbyns Labour has.

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