Crawl .20: Home of the Frog Dog

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World Famous W: May 25, 2007; BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Be loud, be angry, be squishy as all hell (till you get dragon armour). Be an OGRE!

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Legend of the Ogrefiend

1. taqueso
2. worldfamousw
3. mrwillsauce
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# TEAMCAPTAIN taqueso

The non-official Ogre team that is not the official Ogrecoming Adversity!

Also, mrwillsauce, please confirm if that is the name you will be using in webtiles.

EDIT: Also, new thread so... bring back (Crown of Eternal Torment|Evaporate & Distillation|rMut|Singularity|Pakellas|a myriad of other petty things I liked)

World Famous W fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Nov 3, 2016

# ¿ Nov 3, 2016 12:51

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 22:14

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First Ogre, Chaos Knight, and Xom win of the tournament!

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2085536 worldfamousw the Slayer (level 26, 390/390 HPs)
             Began as an Ogre Chaos Knight on Nov 5, 2016.
             
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes!
             
             The game lasted 03:11:00 (44080 turns).

Ogrecame for Legend of the Ogrefiend. Broke my personal philosophy of only 15 runing though.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2016 21:07

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I'm going to add something else to my ever growing list of things I wish they would bring back:

I want to be able to destroy books for amnesia purposes again. I don't tend to run out of the scrolls on my casters, it is just more missing the flavor part of it.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2016 19:34

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mrwillsauce, you still need to add

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# TEAMCAPTAIN taqueso

to the very first line of your RC File.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2016 16:33

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Tollymain posted:

i wonder how much participation in the tourney is going to be depressed by current events

Yeah, the shock and horror has began to wear off for me. Not going to go further in this discussion in this sub forum but I am slowly returning to reality. So, sorry ogre team, I will be back in a day or two to try for another win.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:57

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In a Bailey on a GhFi going for Brute Force 3:

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G - the +7 gold dragon scales "Rioxtad" (worn) {rPois rF+ rC+ Str-2 Int+6 Dex+3 SInv}

Yeah, that will do.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2016 15:15

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An amulet of reflection 4-6 is the amulet I will prefer almost every single game. Only randarts with good resists will replace it.

I like harm a whole lot also, but I tend to play so fast and loose it can tend to get me killed.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 20:26

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Yep. 4 to 6 shield is still damage I ain't taking. I would always prefer to avoid damage then be able to heal quicker from it.

World Famous W fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 25, 2016

# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 20:30

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Pro tip: there are no good players. Just those that think they're good and robots who are trying to fool us.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2016 10:41

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Poison Mushroom posted:

How soon we forget the tengu

Hey, they ain't that bad. Just -20% health. Puts them on par with Gargoyles, Deep Elves, and Kobolds.

Freaking cats with their -40%(!) hp are compelety miserable and I don't care how many lives you get they are awful to play. Give them freaking hats and capes already or two sets of boots.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 22:45

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Poison Mushroom posted:

That would be amazing and I support it 100%.

Imagine a felid with two sets of Boots of Running, swiftness, and a bottle of haste. Would never see that bastard again when it took off.

EDIT: Just thinking about it, but man I want to get a felid who lucks out into Robust 3 and Rugged Scales 3. Be nice to be at near baseline hp on one.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 22:50

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Aumanor posted:

So how's everyone's opinion on the last few patches? Way back when I've looked at the changelog for 0.17, went "gently caress that noise" and stuck to 0.16 whenever I decided to splat another squishy caster. None of the changes on the subsequent releases convinced me it's worth to convert to them. Am I missing on much?

As much as some things change that I don't like (rmut, spells taken away, removal of Crown of Eternal Torment*), the improvements are almost always worth it. There has yet to be a version where the bad outweighed the good. And I'm someone who has been playing since about .5 or so. Also game gets stale without some shake up every now and again.

*I will never let this go.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 19:37

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Aumanor posted:

I'm not touching the newer releases util they bring back the ability to eat poisonous chunks (so most likely never). That was the worst change in a sea of bad changes.

Nutrition is almost completely irrelevant by the time you hit the fifth floor of the dungeon, and I'm saying that as someone who repeatedly plays casters that throws spells at full hunger in every fight going all the way through extended.

Honeslty, food might as well be cut for the little impact it has on the game. A few gods and maybe races may need tweaking but hey.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 20:57

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Can Of Worms posted:

sheep

dpeg posted:

Perhaps food can eventually go at some point. It's not so trivial because food is intertwined thoroughly, and does (way too) many things. In my games, it sometimes has a noticeable effect on my casters.

I just never really have food effect my games, super casters included. The most it ever comes up is I have to spend one extra turn chowing down on a fruit to get one more cast/berserk off. Hell, the last time I can think of where I starved to death (was that removed, I'm thinking it was changed to just a bad debuff) was back when you needed a blade to chop corpses and got stuck with a cursed mace in my hand.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2016 00:00

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Mr. Prokosch posted:

But Trog is a very solid God choice that's useful throughout the game and you get a lot of mileage out of early worship.

I would think because it is cool to have a strong newbie class. Good to get people understanding the basics of combat and god abilities while also cutting magic out as a distracting option from them.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2016 00:57

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What's to prepare other then have scroll ot immolation, torment, and blink ready to go as you haste down the stairs?

Yes I die in vaults a lot, what of it?

# ¿ Dec 3, 2016 23:27

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I always wanted to like Nem, but I can never make it work for me. To random or to much inventory management.

Oh well, at least we had a fun evoker god for a minute there.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 07:30

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On a HOGl, dungeon lvl 4

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y - the +14 plutonium sword

Welp, guess I'm dropping training axes in a hurry.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 15:55

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odiv posted:

"lol swastikas"

gently caress off with that Nazi poo poo. I don't care if it's "ironic" anymore, I have zero patience for it.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 03:10

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IronicDongz posted:

Knights will become warlords, priests high priests, wizards sorcerers. ~the strat~ is to train up only like 4-5 melee orcs at once(so the XP is less split between them) into warlords and gift them all polearms(pref. 1H polearms)

As someone who hates playing orc jesus style and hasn't for several versions now, why would you prefer 1H polearms on your people? You can only gift them once so they wouldn't be able to benefit from getting a shield right? Do orc minions not all attack at a baseline 1.0?

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 16:30

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Oh, hey, Scrolls of Immolation are an awful idea when worshiping Beogh. Who knew!?

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 19:40

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rchandra posted:

Terrible news, everybody!

Ogres

This is an awful change.

Internet Kraken posted:

Hey can we put High Elves back in and remove Tengus instead because they are loving awful by comparison.

Tengus are awesome and I will fight you.

Internet Kraken posted:

Or better yet, remove neither.

This is the right answer.

Edit: poo poo, I could have been happy at leaving maces at +1. Ogres are a hard enough start with no armor and bad dodging without taking away the ability to get a great club up and going so you can use offense as a defense.

World Famous W fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Dec 14, 2016

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 06:32

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Haifisch posted:

Tengu are awesome if you like dying to a stiff breeze while using the worst early game school of magic. (Or pure conjurations, but if you're going to do that, why not just play DE?)

DEs don't get flying with a speed and evasion boost on top.

Tengus also ain't an elf, which is always a plus.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 07:48

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IronicDongz posted:

How? It makes investing into magic much easier as Og while making weapon choice very slightly less of a no brainer.

See my post about offense as defense on an ogre. You won't have any real AC for awhile unless you luck into a dragon armour or good AC ring. You can buff up your HP with fighting but that only goes so far when your evasion sucks and each hit is not being reduced by armour. Your best defense is being able to get maces to about 12 early on so you can one or two hit most things with a big piss off stick before they kill you in four hits. The magic apt buff helps a little, but that is delaying the club again which, well, sucks.

Overall, it will make ogres a better end game race at the cost of an even harder start. And seeing as ogres were already powerful end game I don't see a point.

Also, weapon choice is still no brainer seeing as almost all ogres are still going to aim for gsc.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 13:26

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Speleothing posted:

Can I pause this argument for a moment to confirm the consensus that Ogres need a positive (+1 or better) M&F apt?

I done made my case, but yes.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 17:57

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Fitzy Fitz posted:

Tengu, except you can't use charms, hexes, translocations, or transmutations. OK, so they're not flexible, but you can still use conjurations. Also your HP will be 10% lower and you can't use helmets or boots.

e: you can fly and peck things with your beak though.

Hey, the flying gives you faster running speed and 20% evasion buff on top getting to ignore the little issues water and lava cause.

I may or may not be a tengu in reality and that is the reason I defend them so.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2016 05:57

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cheetah7071 posted:

Rename Tengu to crabfolk, reflavor flight as scuttling, give them back their helmet slot and remove glove slot (pincers)

Why ya got to hurt me so?

# ¿ Dec 16, 2016 03:30

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Please let us know when ya' splat to something easily avoidable.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2016 13:38

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Bring back shadow traps and only allow them to appear in lung entrances.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 10:37

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code:

Found a dark tunnel.
You swap places.
You swap places.
Your transformation is almost over.
Press: ? - help, v - describe, . - travel
Here: a lindwurm
The floor.
You fall through a shaft!
The shaft crumbles and collapses.
You hear a distant snort.
Hark! There is an entrance to a minotaur's labyrinth on this level. Find the entrance quickly before the gate is sealed!

Welp, guess I ain't doing that Volcano, but hey, I like Labyrinths more anyways.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 16:34

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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Is TSO really stronger in extended than, say, makhleb or zin, assuming you've found a decent holy wrath weapon of some sort? It's commonly expressed but I don't really get it. Is rN+ really that hard to come by? Would changing it from three pips to one or two be enough to push other gods over the edge? I don't really play extended and can't speak from experience, but I don't see the appeal of TSO once you have the one-time gift.

TSO is an amazing god for extended and my go to for melee charters that can take 'em. It's not the rN+ that makes them useful (though if resists have been poor it doesn't hurt) and not so much the making a holy weapon but the Cleansing Flame, Allies, and HP/MP healing on evil kills. Seeing as pretty much all of extended is demon or undead your angel buddies and holy fire will destroy anything you come against all the while staying in tip top shape with each abomination slain.

Except for Holy Pan/Zigs. Then you will die to smiting.

World Famous W fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 21, 2016

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 19:21

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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I guess I see makhleb as doing those things but better, especially for a melee character who isn't so mp dependent but can really use the extra hp.

You do need the MP, but only because Cleansing Flame costs 5mp. The piety cost is low enough that you can spam it as what it kills will be gaining you more.

Don't know, just like 'em.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 19:29

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Wild Magic can kill you around the mid point of the game if is makes your main offensive spells to be no longer castable.

# ¿ Dec 21, 2016 20:35

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Item destruction sucked and I'm glad it's gone. Hell, I'm glad jellies can't eat items anymore. Creating a stash in lair and dropping everything because I saw an ice beast was tedious.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2016 10:25

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Fitzy Fitz posted:

I volunteer to fix all bad fixedarts and also create lots of new good ones.

Bring back Crown of Ete...

Internet Kraken posted:

I've got this idea for a fixedart called the Crown of Eternal Torment.

Yeah, thank ya'

# ¿ Jan 5, 2017 02:58

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Can Felids get pounce back then?

# ¿ Jan 6, 2017 00:39

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Darth Windu posted:

Ugh so idiotic. Tengu are garbage melee fighters!!!

Tengu are just fine as melee. -20% HP is not that big of a deal and their apts are great for hybrid or reaver characters.

Also flying and the bonuses that come from it.

vOv posted:

So what's the new blasty caster race?

Same as it ever was, Tengus. :colbert:

PleasingFungus posted:

PS: tengu, are good

# ¿ Jan 8, 2017 00:27

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LordSloth posted:

0.16 was the first version with a win rate of over 1% as far as I can track

Was 0.16 the version where the double melee damage bug made it out of trunk?

Internet Kraken posted:

Plus I'm confident tengu have an even worse winrate than high elves do.

I'm partially responsible for that if it is.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2017 08:47

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Beamed posted:

Been a few versions since I played crawl, have they made DemiGods or Mummies fun to play yet?

Well, when Pakellas was in, mummies were alright to play.

But Pake only survived one version so oh well.

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 22:14

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Internet Kraken posted:

To encourage more drawing I thought I would do a sketch of every monster that kills me, but then I realized I'd be drawing a lot of adders and jackals.

Here are some spooky ghosts instead.

I love all the art ya have done from the game. The felid was probably my favorite.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2017 03:16

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