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tadashi posted:Is there an Uncle Tom like name for gay white men who don't really give a gently caress about anyone as long as they're making money? Peter Thiels?
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Nov 17, 2016 14:59
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Pollyanna posted:the dems don't actually wanna do any grassroots outreach, do they? they don't give any sort of poo poo about their constituency, do they? they put sanders in a "sit-here-so-they'll-shut-up" position so they could look good while continuing to push their neoliberal bullshit and hope that the people are hoodwinked into thinking change is coming. I think the answer is to get out, volunteer, and maybe run for a local position. If your state is mostly red, then you can run as the opposition and say whatever you want basically. I mean we just elected Trump, so its not like people care about facts or manners. If nothing else, show that we're not going down without a fight.
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Nov 17, 2016 16:27
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Tatum Girlparts posted:bernie gave us permission to gently caress, at last calling dibs on "permission to gently caress" as a band name
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Nov 17, 2016 16:45
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Been a few days with no reply from the Georgia Democrats chair. Gonna start emailing everyone on the website soon, and if that doesn't work, I dunno, I guess I'll ask around at city hall?
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Nov 17, 2016 22:40
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anime was right posted:doesnt this say everything about why democrats are losing local elections lol We used to have the Blue Dog Democrats like John Barrow up until the recent post-Tea Party slaughter. Now we barely have anything and I'm starting to get the sense that we're pretty anemic. Doesn't matter, I'll do it myself if I have to.
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Nov 17, 2016 22:54
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GlyphGryph posted:Based on your region/county, try one of these: lol not even one for my county. I guess I am gonna have to do it myself.
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Nov 17, 2016 22:58
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slicing up eyeballs posted:I got a prompt response from Nikema Williams, the vice chair. She also asked me for thoughts regarding bernies appeal to people of color. I emailed them both but haven't heard from porter yet. Hell yeah. I'll email her as soon as I get home. Baloogan posted:lol u guys are no longer the democrats but the hubris party I vote that we rename ourselves the Corncob Party, lest we forget our mistakes. Also we'll clinch that vital corn industry vote.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:13
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etalian posted:Speeches that make Hill Folk cry Long may have been as close to a dictator as you can get in America, but he was charismatic as hell and way ahead of his time.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:57
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Lemming posted:I don't understand why socialists want to start their own party, they could eat the Democrats from the inside out just by showing up lmfao This is my current plan. If by "showing up" you mean "starting my own local Democrat branch because one doesn't currently exist in my godforsaken county"
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Nov 18, 2016 05:45
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we're gonna turn Georgia blue from the inside out lol
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Nov 18, 2016 05:47
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I don't know how speeches happen (I assume I just plonk down a podium on some steps and start talking) but I love speaking in front of crowds and I have a whole lot of yelling to do.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:48
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DrProsek posted:There's a whole bunch of Hillary supporters now going back and saying "the only reason she lost was because Bernie Sanders ran against her in the primary and corrupted her campaign with too much socialism. If she had gone into the general with a clearer vision for America (see: even more neoliberal than she ended up being) she'd have won, this is all Bernie's fault!" Holy poo poo what a bad article. How can you say "Sanders tapped into the same anti-establishment anger that Trump did" which ended up winning him the presidency, and then in the same breath say that if Clinton had been more establishment she would have won? She didn't lose because she "kowtowed to minorities" she lost because she failed to offer a platform of change, and instead promised more of the same, which turned off people on both sides of the fence. That and a myriad of other mistakes that, if addressed, could've maybe still won despite her uninspiring message.
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Nov 18, 2016 15:13
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DrProsek posted:My favorite part of the "stabbed in the back by Bernie" myth is that of all the things Trump attacked her on, that voters said caused them to vote Trump over Hillary, none of them were remotely "is too socialist". They were all stuff like Emailgazi, too establishment, not racist/sexist enough, personality of cardboard, etc. And Bernie went out of his way to make sure Emailgazi wasn't the topic of the Dem primary. No one that I've talked to on either side can name a single policy position that Clinton held that they agreed/disagreed with because she essentially had no positions that she pushed! This narrative that she was dragged to the left and failed because of it is bunk because she barely talked about herself (at least that was reported by the media), and instead focused on the "I'm not Trump/more of the same" messaging which gets absolutely no one excited. Man, the more I think about it the more garbage that article is.
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Nov 18, 2016 15:41
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eonwe posted:someone tell me that the democrats are rebuilding and not buying the "trump won because he did a racism that all white people loved" line from what I've seen on Twitter, a lot of people are grossly misinterpreting Sanders' statements that the Democrats will work with Trump on economic issues as endorsement for full-blown Nazism. No matter how well-meaning, I'm not sure an economic justice platform will ever appeal to social justice types and that is real loving depressing.
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Nov 18, 2016 17:51
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oh yeah, that's the kinda thing that will really get those southern states raring to turn blue
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Nov 19, 2016 01:24
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mrmcd posted:Yeah we probably shouldn't put Twitter user "Female Struggles" in charge of messaging for 2018. there is a larger trend on social media I've seen where people joke about bad things happening to red states because of the election. primarily about the fires down here in the south. I gotta say, it's not a great look, and further deepens these divides
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Nov 19, 2016 01:36
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. It's surprising how many of my minority friends believe this is impossible because they have no faith that these promises will be held up.
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Nov 20, 2016 18:41
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Well I've still had no luck getting the Georgia Democrats to email me back. I think I'm just gonna go down the line and email everybody until I get someone to respond. Failing that I have no idea what to do.
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Nov 21, 2016 14:47
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GlyphGryph posted:I will put Georia on my list for trying to find out info. Where are you exactly? Candler County. Last time I checked the website, we don't even have a County Committee.
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Nov 21, 2016 14:52
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GlyphGryph posted:I've sent off a few e-mails to different local folks who might have info, which is probably what you would do anyway, but I suppose it doubles the chances of it being seen. The only guaranteed contact I've got is quite a ways away. Oh yeah, the party is basically nonexistent here. But that seems to be the place where you want to be if you want to actually have a chance of getting something done. When I get home from work I'm gonna start sending out more emails. All I need to know is how to get official and I'll do the rest of it myself.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:14
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GlyphGryph posted:Hey, I got some info! Awesome. I live in Candler and commute to Bulloch to work so either place is fine for me. Mind sending me the info for how I can get in touch with him?
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Nov 21, 2016 17:15
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:The reign of terror was a good thing. the name, admittedly, was a bit of a PR blunder
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Nov 21, 2016 17:30
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docbeard posted:Also it's not actually okay to murder people even if they're rich. that sounds fake but okay
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Nov 21, 2016 17:43
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Al! posted:whats there to capitulate, the republicans have everything. are people still fuckin confused as to what the stakes were for this election???? people still don't seem to understand that we lost it all
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Nov 21, 2016 20:40
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Al! posted:if only hillary had made herself more exciting to me................. to be fair, the American electorate isn't known for having an overabundance of brains really we're facing a huge number of systemic problems and we could solve like maybe 1 of them but we won't even do that much so we're kinda hosed
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Nov 21, 2016 20:43
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Typo posted:calling it now, they told gabbard she might be sec.state but in reality it's prob something useless like ambassador to UN actually he'll appoint her as ambassador and then pull out of the UN a month after taking office
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Nov 21, 2016 20:55
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I suppose the good thing about losing control over all 3 branches of government is that now we can be a true opposition party and say/do some truly crazy things eventually we'll end up becoming the resistance
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Nov 21, 2016 21:00
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I feel like a lot of this narrative of "economic justice at the expense of social justice" is mostly fake bullshit meant to keep us at each other's throats. There' no reason why you can't push for economic change that will appeal to white voters while at the same time advocating for robust social reforms to benefit the marginalized. In fact, I'd say that social justice is predicated upon economic justice. What's the point of having rights if you have no support structures or money to exercise those rights?
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Nov 21, 2016 21:24
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comingafteryouall posted:Either way people should be going to their meetings and coming up with new ideas about spreading our message. Right wing media might be hard to overcome, but in person interaction can be more effective. Yeah, people are scared of ISIS. But what happens when Trump can't stamp out terrorism? What happens if Sessions tries to go after legal weed? What happens if the economy starts to dip? The answer to all your questions is "Obama did it"
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Nov 21, 2016 21:27
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comingafteryouall posted:Then the Republican government is so weak they can't even fix the mistakes of the past administration. "I tell you folks, undoing all this incompetence, and I mean there is a lot of it, Obama was the most corrupt President in history, it is so, so hard. But we're working on it. Believe me, we're working on it. They had 8 years to ruin the country, so we're gonna need 8 years to fix it! Probably more!" 100 degrees Calcium posted:You're right, it absolutely is an artificial division. We can, and should, fight for both. It aggravates me that there are so many democrats, some close to me, that continue to say otherwise. The only way forward is to unite. That's a lot to ask of minorities, given the ugly history they've endured in this country, so I figure my time is best spent reaching out to white people and seeing if they can be salvaged.
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Nov 21, 2016 21:35
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:but what if they find my Tumblr full of "down with cis" fanfic and photoshops of Marx with anime eyes we just elected Donald Trump to the most powerful office on Earth shame is a thing of the past
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Nov 21, 2016 21:37
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Yinlock posted:listen there's no reason we can't do both at once, but we have to do my side first and everything else will fix itself qed this really isn't what I said though? comingafteryouall posted:Sure, he'll say that. But Obama is still popular and will probably become more popular once we get a couple of Trump freakouts while he is in office. you have more faith in the American electorate than I do and I hope you are right
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Nov 21, 2016 21:47
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I wonder how far I could get into a speech about how race is a social construct invented by the global capitalist elite for the purpose of dividing the lower class that has been perpetuated for centuries before I started to sound like Bizarro World Alex Jones
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Nov 21, 2016 21:54
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Beet Wagon posted:Pretty much exactly that far, I think. well, I guess I have a future in radio
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Nov 21, 2016 21:57
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comingafteryouall posted:You could actually talk about the history of chattel slavery and colonization and its relationship with our current understanding of race and sound completely reasonable. I fear those people would be completely unreachable. And it's not as if the global capitalist elite wouldn't be able to find someone to swallow their bullshit all the way into oblivion. 100 degrees Calcium posted:Well we could operate on being Incorrect about everything but that didn't work so hot in the 2016 election. Actually, given how pretty much everyone was incorrect during the election, we ought to have at least a few people working on backup plans just in case everything we think turns out to be a wrong again
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Nov 21, 2016 22:04
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100 degrees Calcium posted:The democrats should assign groups to address various issues and domains of American concern, whose jobs it is to accurately report with accurate and thorough analysis rather than just ride the YAS QUEEN train. Like some sort of Democratic party dialectic organization. I would be very interested in seeing some articles about how polls were conducted during this last election since the vast majority of them were dead wrong. Also how does any pollster still have a job no matter who they work for
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Nov 21, 2016 22:12
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/800807231449169920 I read up on the details of the plan and hoo boy would that plan not help anyone at all.
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Nov 21, 2016 22:13
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Venom Snake posted:are you really asking why fighting propaganda is important? really the only answer is counter-propaganda, whether it is factual or not is secondary to it being inflammatory
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Karl Sharks posted:anyone? unfortunately this isn't true, because if they were I'd be able to wring their necks
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