|
I have yet to meet this mythical Bernie supporter that is somehow actually worse than the average American liberal when it comes to matters of minority rights. Why do democrats like this not understand that any efforts to help the impoverished, the unjustly imprisoned, the single mother, are going to overwhelmingly help racial and ethnic minorities? There's no need to say "I want to help all struggling black and latina single mothers", blacks and latinas make up a disproportionate amount of that population and everyone that's a struggling single mother deserves help. It's not queer-bashing to say that everyone who lives in poverty deserves help, even though transpeople are much more likely than average to live in poverty. I just don't understand why Hillary supporters keep inventing this straw-leftist, especially now that the race is over and abuela loving blew it on an unthinkable scale. To allude to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s comment on white moderates, as a loving Hillary supporter criticizing Bernie supporters, is the most goddamn self-unaware thing I have ever read. Hillary may have founded her campaign on criminal justice reform but her history with that movement is just as paternalistic as the white moderates who vexed Dr. King. Now more than ever we have to work together to overcome the situation we're in, and pithy bullshit like this is what got us here in the first place.
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 16:00
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 13, 2024 19:40 |
|
|
Tatum Girlparts posted:or maybe we actually experienced Sanders supporters and their 'no war but class war' mindset actively trying to minimize minority issues in Democratic circles during the primary and thought it was kinda lovely. That's fair, but "I prefer white nationalists to Bernie supporters" just smacks of anger over the election results rather than any actually productive sentiment, and Bernie himself would have been a stronger civil rights candidate than Hillary. What are some examples of economic justice rhetoric harming minority rights?
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 16:15
|
|
|
Tatum Girlparts posted:do you mean historic or recent? Oh I am very familiar with things like how the New Deal benefits and the post-WW2 GI bill almost exclusively went to white families. To your second point, having gone to school in rural south Texas I am also pretty intimately familiar with lovely public schools and de facto segregation (I'm latino). It's true that historically sweeping economic justice reform was white supremacist, just like how early workers' unions and feminist movements were also white supremacist. Modern civil rights and economic justice movements, such as those supported by Bernie Sanders, practice intersectionality, though, and frequently make reference to the needs of minorities in relation to their planned reform, so I feel it's not a relevant comparison to make. I don't think there were many people who were pulling for Hillary just because she was a woman, but I don't believe for a second that just because she's female her lived experiences would have made her a stronger candidate on minority rights than Bernie Sanders. Lord Hydronium posted:You might even say that all lives matter. BLM is a necessary movement because institutional racism is epidemic in the United States, and not just in criminal justice. There are still plenty of poor-rear end whites, and to imply that they are poor because of their own mistakes or lack of work ethic or weak morals is to promote the same just-world bullshit that makes a movement like BLM important.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 16:45
|
|
|
i resist my urges to be snappy with my responses to people because it is the demense of trump and white nationalism to treat your opponents without the intellectual respect they deserve. i feel i will suffer for this eventually
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 17:03
|
|
|
Lord Hydronium posted:I don't think anyone's saying we should ignore white poverty (well, someone probably is, it's the internet after all), but I'm saying it is important to specifically talk about black and Latina (and other demographics) poverty as part of that message. It's a "yes, and" type situation. Just like BLM isn't ignoring that white people can be brutalized and murdered by police too. I feel that you and I fundamentally agree on this  I'm always really careful how I word my views on economic justice precisely because whites traditionally are oppressors and they still make up the majority of the capitalist class today. Ever since I actually started thinking about politics, demography, and sociology, though, it has always been my view that a poor white has more in common with a poor black than with a rich white.I also find that I usually have much more difficult, bitter arguments with people I basically agree with.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 18:03
|
|
|
GlyphGryph posted:Yeah I think it's more accurate to say "the oppressors have traditionally been white" than to say "whites traditionally are the oppressors". Whites in general have a lot of privileges that were granted to them on the basis of their skin color, but most of them are incidental, or specifically designed to control them into acting against their own best interest. I think "oppressor" is a term that should really be reserved for those with a modicum of actual political power, and that has not generally applied to the majority of white people. Ehh, perhaps the language is too strong, but even if the majority of American whites aren't members of the capitalist class, the majority of American whites have enjoyed the benefits of subsidy at the expense of minorities in one way or another. gently caress this. How do I get involved? I live in south Texas and I legit just want to start making the world a less lovely place with my own two hands. (No I will not kill my are self)
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 18:47
|
|
|
Powercrazy posted:Yes, historical benefits of racism still linger today. So therefore? therefore gently caress bernie bros!!!!!!!! 
|
|
#
¿
Nov 23, 2016 18:50
|
|
|
Powercrazy posted:And the reason for that shift? To get Hillary elected. The attempt to make Tim Kaine cool with the cocked-eyebrow logo branding made me cringe. Really, the entire Clinton campaign just felt... prepackaged. Like a Big Mac or a Snickers Bar or something. A bunch of men in suits with thick data reports build a factory. A tube excretes some flesh-colored paste onto a conveyor belt. The belt carries the paste into an oven for precisely 15 minutes. A robot claw reaches into the oven, grabs the paste, and wraps it in a piece of plastic with a flashy label on it. Bam, there's our candidate.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 24, 2016 03:19
|
|
|
Homeless Friend posted:I'm taking a journey through anti-Bernie twitter and How the gently caress do you even constructively engage with people like this? Ostensibly, they're on our "team", and yet their devotion to a failed candidate and destructive worldview weighs us down like ballast. There must be some way to compromise with people like this who just think YEAH BLUE TEAM and don't realize that yes, democrats can suck, too. Oh and I asked this a few weeks ago but no one answered: What is a good way to get involved politically or socially at the local level? By which I mean volunteering or community organizing. I want to make the world a better place with my own two hands, even if it's just helping a neighborhood get working streetlights or helping people get clean clothes so they can go to job interviews.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 5, 2016 14:05
|
|
|
Nameless_Steve posted:Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican! You're right that we can't be at each other's throats now, but surely you have to see that someone like Booker represents a step backward rather than forward. Democrats like him only support social justice until it interferes with corporate interests. They're the reason why working-class Republicans continue to exist, even though the Civil Rights Act which spawned them was half a century ago. mugrim posted:Work a pantry or bank, meet with the county Dems repeatedly. Work on some school board elections. I live in south Texas. Specifically, the District which used to send the noble and esteemed Dr. Ron Paul to congress time and again. I actually remember the congressional ads from his race in the 90s when I was a kid. "If I were you, I'd be leery of Sneery." Chillgamesh has issued a correction as of 15:05 on Dec 5, 2016 |
|
#
¿
Dec 5, 2016 15:03
|
|
|
Joementum posted:Sounds like she'll be Person of the Forty Years instead. Ah yes, Hillary Clinton, that American Moses, that Arkansian Gandhi, that modern Tubman, that white Chavez, that great champion of the Amersduigaiudfsvhasdfhuiot
|
|
#
¿
Dec 7, 2016 15:07
|
|
|
this but replace the lavos hell screech with the sound of a crowd chanting "LOCK HER UP"
|
|
#
¿
Dec 7, 2016 15:22
|
|
|
AceRimmer posted:This, but unironically: "josip broz" would be a good gang tag
|
|
#
¿
Dec 9, 2016 10:34
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:trump gonna get 2-3 supremes Man, I just recalled the joy I and others shared when Antonin Scalia died earlier this year. 2016 truly has found a way to turn everything good to ashes.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 12, 2016 01:47
|
|
|
Uncle Wemus posted:Have there been a lot of filibusters for actual good causes im having a hard time thinking of any Wendy Davis stood up in front of the Texas Senate a while back for 20+ hours to try and block that awful bill that made it so virtually all but a handful of the women's health clinics in the state had to shut down. She did successfully block it, but the governor called an emergency session the next day to pass it anyway.
|
|
#
¿
Dec 14, 2016 04:28
|
|
|
WOO!! Oh yeah! Bernin' around at the speed of sound Got places to go Got to vote out the Cheeto Can't stick around, have to keep bernin' on Big bankers ahead They'll want government handouts Just keep on bernin' ahead No time for Clinton Vote for Sanders instead They were wrong to trust Hillary The only winner was Bernie D J T Victory The Democrats shouldn't have voted for Hillary Bernie Sanders would have won D J T Victory The Democrats shouldn't have voted for Hillary Bernie Sanders was way better Hillary bad Oh yeah!
|
|
#
¿
Dec 28, 2016 01:22
|
|
|
im never on time for this poo poo
|
|
#
¿
Dec 28, 2016 01:27
|
|
|
MaxxBot posted:Matt Yglesias is obsessing over the idea of Matt Damon running in 2020 and sadly if the field is a bunch of Cory Booker types I'd probably vote for him. why the gently caress not, if republicans can get an idiot clown with a piss fetish elected than surely the democrats can get some worthless hollywood prettyman in office as well i mean poo poo that's basically ronald reagan
|
|
#
¿
Jan 12, 2017 18:31
|
|
|
Concerned Citizen posted:yes clearly hillary lost due to yard signs Personally I think you are undervaluing the significance of a concrete symbol like a yard sign. Seeing people tangibly supporting a candidate in large numbers publicly could definitely sway someone's decision to go vote or who to vote for. Obviously it's not the deciding factor but tbqh I'd rather have $2m spent on something like yard signs than Yet Another Music Video Starring Beyonce, Now Watch This Hillary Cameo On Broad City.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 12, 2017 18:44
|
|
|
Hillary's campaign felt more like it was trying to sell me a Doritos™ Locos Taco Combo than a presidential candidate. e(dballs): Concerned Citizen posted:you're overvaluing it. if yard signs won elections, ron paul would be president. are they somewhat useful in some contexts? sure. in a presidential race, it's a waste of money. if there are any people who will change their vote because they saw a lot of yard signs in a presidential race, they are vastly swamped by the votes you lose because you weren't knocking on doors, making calls, or using that money to send mail or be on tv. It's like I said, by no means are they a game winner, but considering what the Clinton campaign chose to spend money on instead...
|
|
#
¿
Jan 12, 2017 18:49
|
|
|
Raskolnikov38 posted:the key take away  I want to imagine that person whom is the subject of the article reading it and feeling an overwhelming mixture of anger and shame, but I can't believe anything good can happen on this gay planet any more.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 00:39
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:if they constantly lose then how come they run the party It's almost as though the guys that are really good friends with moneyed interests have more money than the guys who want to break up the moneyed interests! How could this be!!
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 00:53
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:a win's a win I'm not whining about it being unfair, I'm just saying the corporatist faction's position in party leadership is a function of their seniority, which they have primarily because of Bill's push in the 80s-90s to recenter the party to the right and bring in a shitload of corporate money, not because of any brilliance in leadership. Majorian posted:Welllll, don't brush off his underlying point too quickly, though. Part of the Clinton camp's dominance over the Democratic Party is because they understand the machinery and levers of power better than their challengers do. That's something that the Sanders camp needs to change in the near future. It's all well and good to say that, but christ I don't even have the faintest idea of where to start.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 01:28
|
|
|
Oh Snapple! posted:booker oooh poo poo cory in the etalian posted:Too bad their controlling of the DC establishment machinery and levels didn't result in a victory against the most under qualified president candidate in US history. Fuuu-KKEN BERNIE BROOOOOOS
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 01:40
|
|
|
etalian posted:Hillary also had twice the GE budget of Trump but still lost. b-b-but Trump got so much free coverage from the media 
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 01:54
|
|
|
Majorian posted:Good. One less opponent in the way of Ellison. Unless he leverages his
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
Majorian posted:Don't diminish the importance of knowing Washington's inner workings; it's a big part of why Sanders' campaign ultimately didn't succeed. Care to elaborate? Genuinely, I'm not being sarcastic. I've got faint memories that some of his high-tier campaign staff were inexperienced or made poor choices but I'd love to read a postmortem if you have a link to a good one.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 18, 2017 21:23
|
|
|
Bip Roberts posted:I like the irony of the berniebros still clamoring that they would have won while simultaneously mocking Clinton people for revisionist history. Not a good look imo. How are those ideas in any way dissonant with one another 
|
|
#
¿
Jan 19, 2017 00:19
|
|
|
Whenever I see "migf" I think "migas" and get hungry. Welp thats my post.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 22, 2017 18:32
|
|
|
Nice to know Hillary totally bought into the bernie bros narrative and wasn't just selling it to her supporters... I think.
|
|
#
¿
Jan 22, 2017 18:47
|
|
|
My Imaginary GF posted:Unlike many posters, I trust myself... i would destroy this and then feel deeply ashamed of myself later
|
|
#
¿
Jan 24, 2017 00:44
|
|
|
Scent of Worf posted:And that Lite moniker is the difference between right-wing American hellscape and Scandinavian-consistently-rated-the-most-prosperous-and-happiest countries in the world paradise tbf Scandinavian countries still benefit bigly from the Capitalist Death Machine crushing third world workers to death, it's just less immediately obvious because they aren't also directly crushing third world workers to death with their armies
|
|
#
¿
Feb 26, 2017 23:00
|
|
|
logikv9 posted:buttigieg im out of the loop out on the butt train whats the fast facts on buttigieg e: googling buttigieg rn
|
|
#
¿
Feb 26, 2017 23:08
|
|
|
all i can find on the buttman is that hes a young mayor with military background. wheres he stand on the policies. fill me in thread!!!
|
|
#
¿
Feb 26, 2017 23:12
|
|
|
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. He actually does sound like someone to keep an eye on, if he can energize people the way Obama and Bernie did. Certainly would like to see more of him than someone like Booker.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 26, 2017 23:19
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 13, 2024 19:40 |
|
|
FactsAreUseless posted:It motivates people because white supremacy makes them feel good. It assures them that they're special, and they deserve to be on top, and they will be if they can just get rid of the people taking away their birthright. If it goes far enough, opposition to white supremacy is going to be a motivating force for the left. I suppose the problem is that so many timid moderates are afraid to criticize dog whistle far-right rhetoric for fear of alienating whites, and that they lack the will and desire to seize upon the kind of rhetoric used by union and socialist organizers in the 20s and 30s to energize the left back then. The left needs a good firebrand.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 26, 2017 23:29
|
|