Venom Snake posted:

I know.

Zikan posted:

Since the party is effectively broken and leaderless, could a Jeremy Corbyn style takeover with the progressive caucus leading the charge with someone like Keith Ellison or Tulsi Gabbard succeed? Someone who just stands up and gives people someone to rally to by complete repudating CLintonism, who isn't perceived as from the Clintonite camp as Tim Kaine and the NoVa Dems? Or would there be too much backlash from the remaining Clintonites

Condiv posted:

it's time to rebuild

Mayor Dave posted:

the number of posts i've seen both here and on facebook blaming johnson/stein voters (lol) for this outcome would indicate that they've already settled on one

Crazyweasel posted:

I get we are in la la land over here in SA, but you have to be nuts to try to find a magical fairy progressive scion to get behind and win in 2020. A hell of a lot more Americans than anyone expected just made clear the 100 things they want from Government, it is time to maybe listen and adopt and adapt a few over time

Venom Snake posted:

They are 100% willing to hand over everything to the left right now. Again I'm not saying they want control; all they want is the ship to not go under.

radical meme posted:

Socialism does not sell in the U.S., never has and never will in our lifetimes.

Augus posted:

they weren't skewed, they were wrong. there's a difference.

radical meme posted:

Obama is not a socialist. poo poo he's the definition of third way centrist.

Not a Step posted:

Is racism gonna be against minorities or doubling down against whites is the real question

Thundercracker posted:

Venom Snake, I hope you're right the DNC will bend the knee to Sanders. I was basically a establishment backer (New York Yuppie liberal that donated every four years) my entire life, and holy poo poo, I want to run the Clinton's out of the country right now.

In all honesty, I mocked Sander's chances during the primaries, but he was absolutely right about everything so gently caress me. I'm not really alone either. There's just a complete collapse in faith in the DNC amongst the liberal professionals I know, and they backed Clinton 100% until the moment everyone realized they were taken for a ride.

If the Sanders faction makes a play for New York, DO NOT loving block him. You're risking open war with your ur-base.

Karl Barks posted:

this is it. this is the best tweet about the election

https://twitter.com/audiosprite/status/796463167970783232

Mister Fister posted:

I remember when Hillfolk posters here would go the sandersforpresident subreddit to copy/paste poo poo over there to make sanders supporters look crazy and racist, when i pointed out that half of those posts were from newly created accounts that had no activity other than one or two crazy posts, they started to blur out their names under the pretense of not 'doxxing' those posters, lmao.

This is, of course, a microcosm of what the media did when they assassinated Bernie's character indirectly by calling his supporters sexists and racists.

There's your autopsy.

sportsgenius86 posted:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america#sthash.hQsGH2Zt.rws7PPMx.gbpl

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

NecroMonster posted:

Burnie wouldn't have won because Burnie was no more willing to tell lies and sell dreams than Hillary was.

the only way to win is to lie to white people

Fullhouse posted:

and the entire neoliberal media
remember when this poo poo happened http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao oh man the responses to brazile's tweet

Andy Rowe‏ @andyrowe posted:

@donnabrazile Here's an advance question for #DonnaBrazile: how does it feel knowing your lack of ethics set this nation on this path? Resign immediately.

Karl Barks posted:

literally all i can do right now is stroke my schadenfreude, it's terrible

Well What Now posted:

No, no no no. Wrong.

First you win elections and take power. Then you start up the purges. Win first, purge later.

MaxxBot posted:

The fact that this forum which previously had a reputation as being uber-left politically had devolved into a hotbed of shameless DNC shills had started to slowly drive me insane, the fact that this did a complete 180 after her loss is probably one of the few silver linings of this shitshow.

Well What Now posted:

There's more than one type of pragmatism.

There's the idiot sticking with Clinton and Co. pragmatism that you're rightly belittling, and there's the recognition that maybe the way forward is to try and force the Democratic Party to face facts and change.

Bushiz posted:

The Democrats chose smug condescension as their fuel of choice while the Republicans chose xenophobia, and xenophobia is a deeper well than smugness.

LGD posted:

I really don't think that's true though, because the human tendencies that cause corruption/misgovernment and things like imperialism aren't meaningfully addressed by socialism. There are about a zillion historical parallels demonstrating this, even in governments that operate by totally different standards- i.e. we've seen theocracies that are ostensibly non-capitalistic and theoretically have strong codes of behavior that should be a safeguard against such abuses and they exhibited exactly the same behaviors. Socialism is only "potentially good" and social democratic forms of capitalism "inevitably bad" if you're willing to ignore the actual historic attempts to implement socialism and continue to hold to a naive belief that humans will now be better than they ever actually have been for unelucidated reasons, while judging the latter by entirely different criteria. If you judged them by the same criteria, there's very little reason to believe a social democracy populated by our ahistorically better near-humans wouldn't be happy and stable into perpetuity. That's not really how it works though, because everything ultimately winds down if you don't put in the effort to maintain it.

The corrosive forces affecting a socialist regime just aren't nearly as apparent when you're looking at the world through a framework intended to trenchantly critique the flaws capitalism, but they definitely and demonstrably exist and it's not "lol USSR" to say so.

LGD posted:

No, because I intended it to cover inequitable use of resources in addition to other things. Are you suggesting socialism somehow prevents inequitable distributions?

Also I genuinely don't see any real advantages to full socialism, since social democratic states can run necessary industries directly, arrangements like work councils exist, and it's far from clear that "democratic management" (which has historically often far from democratic) is actually a desirable state of affairs in many industries.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

let me put it another way then

the fact that Biden, who is a much more regressive option than Clinton was, gets literally any support, is a sign how little people gave a poo poo about her policies and probably has some other factors to bring up too

paranoid randroid posted:

so how salty are we about the new TNC piece in the Atlantic

paranoid randroid posted:

"yeah hi i ordered a large Sicilian and you guys seem to have sent me a fat Italian kid instead."

Serf posted:

imo the kids who grew up Obama will remember him more fondly than history will. pop culture will be kind to him like it was to Clinton before him

logikv9 posted:

Obama will be the closest thing to Reagan the Dems have.