Terper posted:

ImpAtom posted:

Giving the P5 protagonist a code name works much better there since everyone can just call him Joker.

Captain Baal posted:

I'm not even one of the "Japanese dub is better" people and I think the JP voice acting is loving spectacular. Morgana's voice is genuinely pretty fantastic.

Raxivace posted:

What's the story here?

Captain Baal posted:

8-4 are good but square had the money to throw at them for localization and also got them on the project early enough to do that poo poo. Atlus doesn't have that money or permission, they can't even get a non-PCB studio to do most of their games.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I've now completed a handful of SMT games and Persona 3 + 4 and loved them quite a bit. Preordered Persona 5's TYH edition because why the hell not and been pretty excited for it.

I've kinda been going as blind as possible in it but as launch gets closer I see people talking about how spotty it is and whatnot and it's starting to make me kind of concerned. I never really pushed deeper into it for fear of spoilers but what's the general thought on it from goons that have played it or whatever?

Captain Baal posted:

She isn't even a bad character, her personal story is competent and there's nothing wrong with her on writing, but she's just got nothing going for her. She's just a demure ojou-sama with a really boring character that has been done to death in this loving series and we did not need another one. Just imagine Mitsuru and Yukiko's S. Links combined and you have Haru, but she likes plants so I guess that's more than Mitsuru at least.

Moltrey posted:

Oh for sure, it'd be better if they did away with them completely, but like, I like the idea behind them a lot rather than the actual gameplay purpose they serve.

In sorta the same vein, the courage options early in P4 where it's like Ask Yukiko For Her Number that couldn't be gotten unless you were on New Game+ was super dumb because they did was go like "Oh....yeah sure here ya go"
which i guess is funny because that's usually the response you get when asking new friends their number but for teenagers you really would feel you needed Rank 5 Courage to ask a girl that

Moltrey posted:

this game owns
(localization spoilers)

Saint Freak posted:

good lord that is the dreamworks-smug-faceiest teacher.

Ineffiable posted:

I think it might be safe to say that 2017 might be ps4's strongest year. Especially for exclusives.

Codependent Poster posted:

I want the next Persona to be in the US just to see how they think high school is here, because playing these games I think high school in Japan is all about hooking up with women and eating tons of burgers that make you smarter and more charming somehow.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

This would create a problem of having either 3 different blank slate characters or else having a bunch of protagonists whose personalities have the risk of annoying the player or not connecting properly.

I don't think the series can or should ever leave Japan, to be honest. Persona games have always been pretty singularly about Japanese society as it exists contemporarily; while a lot of the themes have a universal appeal, much of what it condemns about society is specifically targeted at Japanese society. In general, all of the games have a tone condemnatory of the generally conformist nature of modern Japan, as well as its lack of value for nature or history. Persona 2 is particularly curious about how oppressive and stifling society is, with gossip being weaponized and ultimately used to end the loving planet. Persona 5 at least tips its hat to this as well, with your main character being crucified for about half the game by relentless, cruel gossip.

Eternal Punishment was the most interesting to me because it was a cast of adults dealing with the very adult situation that they are cogs in giant machines that have become corrupted without their knowing, and they can't seem to establish a place in this world either, with the next generation squeezing from one direction and the older generation squeezing from the other.

DrManiac posted:

I want a persona game that turns into smt 1/3 of the way through. Like, it's kids having super natural adventures until something happens and the world is hosed. Let's see how your relationship with your grandma friend fares during the apocalypse.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I'd like to see Psio fleshed out a bit as an element, from its description it sounds like it's supposed to work well alongside status ailments, but that leads to another avenue of confusion...

...there are three "families" of status ailment now? And each one needs a unique skill or item to cure? And Psio benefits off one of those ailments but not all of them? And some of the ailments interact with elements like fire and wind but you only learn this if Makoto happens to tell you and if there are other combos she didn't tell me and...

So Psio ends up working just like any other magic, but your Psio user doesn't get any ailment abilities to speak of, and her gun-fu becomes far more effective in the long run. Seems to me that keeping Psio low-damage, or low-accuracy, but add onto a chance to add a mental ailment, or else complement your party member's skill set...

That's actually another complaint overall, it seems like some party members are given better skill loadouts than others. P4 kinda had this problem, which was perhaps overcorrected in Golden, but I'd hate to think I'd have to wait several years to see a remix of this game just to have that issue corrected, it's unfortunate to see it here and now.

The Gorp posted:

So let me ask some specific questions about the final boss, Yaldabaoth. It will be incredibly anal, but as a writer myself I am completely dumbfounded by this character and how he works.

1. If he's a being comprised of the desires of the masses, why did the protagonists need to defeat him at all? Wouldn't it stand to reason that he would simply vanish or destroy himself once public opinion was against the god of public opinions existence? How can he be alive to be shot by Satanael if all he is just the manifested desires of the public at that point? If people wished for the holy grails destruction wouldn't it just destroy itself?

2. When the protagonists are disappearing due to the fact that they aren't recognized by society, what is preventing them from recognizing each other? You mean to tell me that nameless drifters though life are somehow known and continue to exist, but this group of people who are both news criminals AND human beings don't have enough support to stay manifested? Wouldn't the entire world just cease to exist immediately due to the presumed indifference to others?

3. If Yaldabaoth is a god born of looking away from injustice, why does he have such a high sense of justice? A god born of apathy would be apathetic, and reinforce mans desire to look away rather then confront injustice (Ameno Segeri is a perfect example of this). Instead we get a god who names the sins, creates a bunch of angels to enforce a sense of right and wrong, and deems both you and the masses guilty. He then actively confronts the problem, which was never a desire of the public if I understand this correctly.

4.To what level is Yaldabaoth autonomous, and why does he go about his master plan in the dumbest way possible? I assume Yaldaboath took over the velvet room and recruited Joker and Goro out of his own wishes, seeing as how the public has no knowledge of the velvet room or desired competing messiahs. If he wanted to grant the wishes of humanity he could have just fused Momentos and reality from the start, why did he put himself at risk by creating persona users? The public clearly didn't want persona users, so its something that falls solely on Yaldabaoth, which is nuts because it should be the last thing he would want to do. Izanami in P4 wanted to be proved wrong, Yaldabaoth clearly doesn't.

5. Is Japan the center of the universe? The notion of sloth and following societies rules that Yaldabaoth preaches as sinful is basically a symptom of collectivist cultures. He seems to destroy the entire world because Japan acts a certain way due to its culture and values. Assuming for a moment that he actually cares like he claims he does for the majority of the game, why would he take an online poll as definitive proof that mankind deserves destruction? He represents all of mankind's desires right, not just Japanese ones? Hawaii canonically exists, and they seemed pretty hyped about the Phantom Thieves.

6, Maybe Persona 5 is an art game and I'm too stupid to get it, but I have no idea what Yaldabaoth is arguing. Typically the clash between hero and villain is representative of a clashing of ideologies or values. The thesis of the villian and created antithesis of the protagonists do the Hegelian Dialectic and we end up with new wisdom. I have no idea what Yaldabaoths thesis is, even assuming that he is his own entity now completely separate from public opinion.

He seems to be arguing that "Might makes right and I'm a God" behind a thin veil of justice or helping people, and I just don't get what the conflict against him signifies. Up until this point of the game the notion was along the lines of "Don't treat people like objects or they'll get pissed off and rebel against you, eventually ending you", but Yaldabaoth IS the people. Everything about this guy is inherently paradoxical; he shoots you full of lust and then judges you for being lustful. If he really is just an example of the penultimate stupid authority figure than I don't know what to say. Making something completely unreasonable and unjustifiable isn't a great thing to do for a final boss.

I'm going insane over here. Someone send help.

Supremezero posted:

Uh.

Seriously?

Is this your first SMT, because Alice is the special fusion.

It's Nebiros + Belial