Raxivace posted:

Moai Ou posted:

Did you mean this from right before Leland/BOB goes into the lodge? That's Leland. It's just a visual effect of the lodge influencing someone. Laura looks like that earlier in the film when yelling at Harold & Windom Earle shows up like that in one of the later episodes

Cromulent posted:

I didn't loathe the Truman/Wife scene, but I think I'd rather have seen something with one of the dozen things they set up in episode 1/2 and haven't revisited since.

Ingmar terdman posted:

to borrow a phrase from SMG - I'm beginning to think Twin Peaks fans do not like Twin Peaks.

Origami Dali posted:

Skip James (heh), skip Catherine/Josie, skip Lucy/Andy/Dick, skip Nadine, skip Billy Zane. It's alllll garb.

hawowanlawow posted:

Please stop with the "you don't like twin peaks" bullshit

egon_beeblebrox posted:

I hope Big Ed literally fist fights Evil Cooper to death. Or Albert and Constance get married. Both at the same time maybe.

regulargonzalez posted:

Way to victim-shame. Typical cis-male response.

esperterra posted:

Same. And not just to see Fenn, or what the character has been up to. I need to know more about Richard!

kaworu posted:

It's not that I think the hypothetical people I was talking about are 'uncultured idiots'. I just think... So many modern TV shows are sprawling enterprises that can last a decade or more, and with shows that are essentially telling a long interconnected story, this can be, well, VERY loving difficult because quite often the show's popularity is a surprise, and a very talented writer/showrunner may find himself in the position of only being able to tell SO many stories, even with the insistence of the producers/network/cable channel/whatever. LOST was a show that only barely managed to stay afloat by negotiating an end date, or it would have really gone to absolute poo poo. And even so, there are people like the ones I was talking about who feel that because of their personal disappointment in the Series Finale of Lost, the whole show is now tainted and bad.

Actually, a really great example is another Showtime show, Dexter. Now, I can't speak for all of it because I ditched the show sometime around the end of season 5 and early season 6 when the shark had long since been vaulted across, and I understand that it only got worse, and the season finale was a horrible disappointing piece of crap in nearly every way, which I can fully believe. Now, I still happen to think that seasons 1, 2, and 4 of Dexter are all REALLY good, REALLY fun, and REALLY watchable. Season 1 especially is a freaking masterpiece, and something I still watch every few years because it's that good. Even season 3 isn't so bad, but it's also enough of like a self-contained side-story that you can very safely skip the whole thing, and it's worth it because season 4 has John Lithgow as a cold-blooded psychotic serial killer, essentially playing a proto-version of Josef Fritzl, which makes it scary as gently caress.

Let me bring up another example where I was acting like an 'uncultured idiot' myself - The Killing, a series on FX I think a while back that had a fairly Twin Peaks-ish vibe in being a neo-noir murder-mystery about a murdered teen girl in a small-ish town.

People (including me, at the time!) were absolutely INFURIATED when 'The Killing' ended season 1 without revealing the killer, because there was some expectation or some rumor or some way the show was marketed that implied we might find out or even would find out ABOLUTELY in the last episode, and we all thought he would be revealed and were prepared for the reveal... and it did not happen. And there was an ENORMOUS backlash against Veena Sud (the showrunner) for being incompetent, for lying to people to get ratings, for "making poo poo up as she goes along", for including all kinds of red herrings, for having very slow pacing, doing stuff like spending an entire episode with the detective and her partner looking for her missing son, for the show almost always ending on cliffhangers that would be revealed as red herrings by 5 minutes into the next episode.... That sort of thing. She just got a MASSIVE online shitstorm from the fans.

But we were being absolute impatient loving idiots who utterly missed the forest for the trees. A ton of those episodes in Season 1 were REALLY great - like actually the "bottle" episode that's almost entirely the two leads in a car, talking, driving around looking for the main characters son. That was a really wonderfully done character episode, but when I watched it the first time I was so focused on the mystery and finding stuff out, that I was just pissed off the show was deciding that it was more important to do something else completely. And I was wrong - totally, totally wrong. Furthermore, when I came back the show and kept going into Season 2, it just got even better and I actually fully understood *why* the first season was structured the way it was, and I obviously appreciated the whole thing SO much more when I saw it fully in context, as a complete story.

So I mean, I'm implicating myself here, I used to do the same thing, but now I'm an old man (32) and I feel like I've learned my lesson, not to judge art/entertainment until you've got the full perspective on it, and had a bit of time to digest it. You really, truly never know what might ultimately be significant or important. And it's just foolish to make pronouncements about a story before it's even finished being told. I almost think it's worthless to fully judge a series until it really is FULLY done, unless it's something episodic or primarily episodic, in which case it's a totally different deal obviously..


Anyway, I truly don't mean to be condescending, I just sincerely feel like complaining about a scene going on a bit too long and being 'bored' by it sound shallow and petty to me. Sorry, just does. And yes, I think that there are things going on in those scenes that have a great deal of depth. I was also entertained and highly amused by all the humor in the scene - from Charlie's body language and tone of voice, to Audrey swearing like a sailor, to what Audrey was wearing, to the conspicuous placement of the mirror, to arcane references in the dialogue to stuff like "you would never renege on our agreement!". And then the phone call, which was masterful I still just... Don't see ANYTHING wrong with any of it. I was laughing, fascinated, confused, and intrigued which is often how I feel watching a lot of these scenes. Maybe I was a bit bored, but whatever.

But again, as per what I'm saying, I am a bit worried that people will like... end up condemning the entire show if Cooper never comes back, and call it like "one long cocktease" or some poo poo like that. I can totally see that happening and it'd be annoying, but hopefully it'll just happen on like... reddit and twitter, not here

head58 posted:

Next episode: the drugs Jacobi gave Nadine wear off and she can't remember anything from the past 24 hours, Ed sighs and goes back to her.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

lol nobody has pensions in america.

TwoDogs1Cup posted:

I'm probably completely wrong here, but for me this season seems like it's more for David Lynch fans and people who liked FWWM then it is for simple folk like me who liked the original series

I didn't like FWWM for what it's worth. It was too weird for me and completely missed the tone of the original show, yet had the same characters

That's how this season feels

Maybe I'm just retarded though

Vikar Jerome posted:

i was starting to think the last two episodes are "what real coop" got up during the whole season and we see him like, behind bushes and poo poo sneaking around giving context everything and him being there all along. nothing to suggest that tho.

i don't think he's ever coming back now, doogie is probably dead and thats that and we've just got evil cooper doing his poo poo. its all on deputy special agent andy brennan and bobby briggs now.

hanales posted:

You're kidding about this right?

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

how exactly is it possible to think this is true?

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

because no it loving didn't, and that's an insane thing to claim. soap operas have been airing filler episodes since the dawn of television. doctor who has been running since 1963 and was even more serialized then than it is now. loving Tintin was animated, serialized and on television in 1957 for shits sake.

hanales posted:

Because yours and the others statements are utter nonsense.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

so soaps don't count because they're not really televison but anime does because

because uh

um

guys this is clearly a derail let's go back to talking about twin peaks

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

Have you ever seen The Prisoner?

Raxivace posted:

Once a day, every day give yourself a present.

Tonight that present should be the finale of Twin Peaks Season 3.

Raxivace posted:

This reminds me of something I've been curious about...

I'd love to know what non-Americans think about Twin Peaks' depiction of America, especially compared to other depictions of America in media you've seen.

G-III posted:

He's a bit tweaky and knew about the the manner in which she was killed. You could have twisted this into a show in which an insane FBI agent has a split personality (bob) and kills young girls while is normal self is unconscious during the actual killings. All the spirits and dreams could have been interpreted as trying to help him come to reality (e.g. laura whispering into his ear who killed her, etc...) It would be funny to think of someone like coop investigating and finding out he's the killer but that's clearly some pedestrian level 90s style serial killer movie stuff that Lynch would never bother with.

The show never supported this sort of idea and as soon as other actors were involved in trying to cover up laura's murder (e.g. leland killing what's his face in the hospital, etc...) But in the early episodes Dale does come off as a weird and almost autistic oddball that had the capacity to creep people out.

kaworu posted:

I don't think Cooper's intention was to strand her in that dimension at all. I believe Cooper had the best of intentions, and hosed up because he failed to take into account how little he knew the nature and abilities of the entity that he was up against.

Cooper's action come from an innate and sincerely desire to help - that is the most basic nature of the character. I find it difficult to feel too upset at him for sincerely trying to save Laura and everyone in Twin Peaks.