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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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LMAO I clicked on that link and that it turned out I already had that person blocked.

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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Drifter posted:

lol :rolleyes:

"with the power of love, Clark was able to defeat and capture Zod in their next battle."

I still hate that the outtake of where Tom Hardy and Christian Bale almost passed out from the heat during the Dark Knight Rises climax where their final brawl+the battle between cops and Bane's dudes happens and they just like fell into each other's arms crying and saying how tired were over and over again wasn't used in the final movie. Like just have that and roll credits.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Fresh seems about right, not a particular great movie but good and fun to see once. I wasn't planning on catching it in theaters but from what everyone's said it's not like there's anything super awful about it, 97% seems fine.

I remember that weird petition from people that wanted Rotten Tomatoes to shut down because BvS not having a "high enough" rating on it or whatever as if RT personally reviews and rates the films. It was crazy to see how many people take Rotten Tomatoes very very very seriously without actually knowing how it works.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

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Yeah I was gonna say like, Bill's words about Superman were so wise and great that he got killed right after.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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ungulateman posted:

So was Leonardo Da Vinci secretly a mirror beast from the Opposite Dimension because his journals and diaries were written backwards?

Have you seen Twin Peaks?

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Scylo posted:

Seriously. I read the polygon review before I saw it, and afterwards I was just unsure how they wrote that piece. I guess if it was the only piece of WWI media you'd ever seen?

When was the last time The World At War was broadcast on TV? It may well be.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Ghosthotel posted:

Let's not forget the fan favorite darkseid episode where superman is just casually knocking him through buildings. That's okay but the fight scene in MoS isn't because...?

Years of reading the same comic series has conditioned people to expect all of the violence and action but with zero long term consequences.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Sir Kodiak posted:

as compared to Thor's cop out with the Norse gods just being super-science aliens.

This is what they are in the comics.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Brainiac Five posted:

I don't understand why people are saying the movie puts a Judeo-Christian lens on Greek mythology, unless they're familiar with neither.

Yeah I was reading this too and I haven't seen the movie yet but LMAO. I think part of it is that a lot of people (in the US especially) assume Judeo-Christianity is the oldest number one first "real" religion ever in all of history therefore any similarities to it in a thing obviously means it's through that lens even though basic concepts of like "one dude is waaaaay more powerful than everyone else and controls and guides everything" and "forgiveness is a thing" and so on are pretty universal things.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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DC Murderverse posted:

I don't think he's sympathetic because of the former, but being created to be a military general specifically does probably gently caress with your head. Richard Spencer doesn't have a genetic excuse for being an rear end in a top hat.

Again, I'm sure we get very little of this in the Krypton series, which will probably be really lame between being on Syfy and being written by David Goyer.

I'm hoping whoever else is involved with this show at Syfy brings whatever god-tier level game they brought to The Expanse.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Yeah Diana's a hero in the mythical sense that she's capable of killing tons of dudes and has the wherewithal to smoke out and kill the biggest baddest dude. But oh poo poo...that actually isn't heroic because there is no one single dude that makes all the evil in the world, so she peaces out.

Toady posted:

This is, of course, nonsense.

It's also canon. :D

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Brainiac Five posted:

So why is it acceptable for a character who is explicitly not from that literary tradition to emulate it? Because she's (hypothetically) of the same ethnicity as the people who wrote that literary tradition? This argument applies equally well to Superman or Batman or Spider-man or Howard the Duck.

Weird it's almost like superheroes are stand-ins for something.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Taintrunner posted:

One of the infinite porn parodies should do that scene but with boob armor.

There's a Batman fan film on YouTube where someone finally is able to subdue and capture Batman by kicking them in the balls super hard.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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DeimosRising posted:

If she weren't immune to bullets she'd just explode into a cloud of gore when walloped by doomsday or some flying debris. it's pointless to consider the physics of this poo poo because everything you're seeing is roughly equally impossible, inasmuch as there's no such thing as "more impossible"

The correct answer. Like all comic book characters her powers vary all the time depending on who's writing that year and whatever. If one really wanted to give it a general defining, the way it'd often be described for DC characters vaguely similar to her is that "small arms/earth weapons are just a nuisance." So unlike Superman our technology can still, like, have inertia on her and knock her down and she'd feel the stuff hitting her, it just won't actually hurt her in any real way that matters.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Xealot posted:

There's also a belief component, it seems. Diana's way less capable of superhuman poo poo until she convinces herself otherwise. She struggles to climb that tower until realizing she can bash right into the side, and she's injured on the beach but clearly can do godlike combat poo poo towards the end of the movie.

I suspect she *wasn't* bulletproof but is now. If for no other reason, because of Superman power creep so she can fight Doomsday or Darkseid or whoever.

To paraphrase the intro of the cinematic Greek mythology masterpiece Conquest, her becoming bulletproof is Greek mythology shorthand for her truly becoming an adult and is able to lead. Like Conquest it has it both ways where a hero rises up is able to effectively do magical stuff because they realize that they matter and are awesome and we get that in the text of the movie but the characters don't really "notice" it in that way because they the actual legendary stuff is being performed by them in the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMtTuAd1Vw

Both also draw from Hercules specifically to weave their own tale.

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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Can't believe enough people actually understand how Rottentomatoes works now that we've regressed back to the dark days of anger over IMDB ratings.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Yeah I was assuming she'd be the team's Captain America in Justice League.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Sir Kodiak posted:

I don't think we've ever seen a Kryptonian in slow motion in the DCEU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_F8oTvrwaY

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Sir Kodiak posted:

Great stuff. Any particular reason you're posting it?

Some very brief snippets of noted Kryptonian Jor El in slow motion. :)

Man I really love everything about Man of Steel's Krypton stuff in every way. I hope SyFy brings their The Expanse game to that Krypton show they announced and not their Assault on Dome 4 game.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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McCloud posted:

its so bizarre she's murdering what amounts to innocent soldiers so she can...save the lives of the innocent soldiers? I feel like i am missing something

It sort if makes sense, she's less a superhero as we know now and more a hero in the ancient mythology sense of "is able to kill like a billion dudes" and "is able to kill the baddest dude, " then she realizes that myth is just that and that killing tons of "bad guys" doesn't automatically leave only "good guys" behind or otherwise purify humanity like slaying the corruptive dragon in a fairytale would so she peaces out until BvS.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Yeah the movie we got seems good (haven't seen it yet) but don't act like that wouldn't have also been awesome.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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In the comics depending on the way she's being written the costume is fine. Like it's totally the kind of thing a confidant, flashy, super powerful paragon of Greco-Roman warriorness would wear. The problem is more the male gaze way in which the character is often posed and drawn in the comics, and it's cool that Jenkins knows that difference and avoided it in the movie.

That said, the costume is pretty dumb when the character is written differently from that, and it's always groanworthy to see the nerd rage whenever there's a few issues in a row where she wears pants or is wearing more extensive armor for a given situation.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Sir Kodiak posted:

I'm sure they do. He wears a pretty distinctive outfit. Hard to mistake him for someone else, I'd think.

One of the greatest moments in all of superhero comics is how Bane deduces that Bruce Wayne is Batman by walking around town holding his hand out in front of his face so that he only sees people's mouths/chins

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Davros1 posted:

Do you think people are fighting for real in movies?

I think a fight scene failing to sell the fight in the heat of the moment is a valid complaint. It might necessarily be the fault of the costumes/actors but could be a matter of the same stuff edited a little differently, whatever.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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MrJacobs posted:

Selling a fight how? I mean most of the time you have people getting punched in the face several times with no consecutive damage or anything, not even a stumble or knockdown.

I didn't say "realistic," I said being able to sell the fight in the heat of the moment, there's a huge difference (BrianWilly's other examples from BvS and Wonder Woman are actually a very good examples).

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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I wouldn't except Ares of all gods to prevent a person from arming themselves.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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howe_sam posted:

Soviets in the 80s? The wigs had better be on point. :ussr:

I just want it to be this exact movie but with Lou Gossett Jr's character replaced with Wonder Woman and her invisible jet, like don't even change his dialogue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMHmwL-xyag

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Flipper-handed Michael Shannon confirmed as the movie's big bad.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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ImpAtom posted:

I thought there was a character in WW strongly implied if not stated to be her but I'm not sure.

BrianWilly posted:

If you're thinking of the big strong Amazon knocking other Amazons around, that was credited as Artemis, played by boxer Ann Wolfe. Though it's probably way more likely for her to get a bigger role than for them to bring up Nu'bia out of the blue.

You're both right. In addition to Artemis, Niobe is present and mentioned by name, played by Jacqui-Lee Pryce. It made me wonder if they were going to have her basically be Nubia in the sequels because Niobe's namesake is an actual figure from Greek mythology like all of the other major players in Wonder Woman's island/family rather than a region like Nubia.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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I want to say that that's Caitlin Burns, but she's only billed as "Queen's Guard" so I don't think she was meant to be anyone major.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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SleepCousinDeath posted:

working for Ra's al Ghul has its perks.

Now that Wonder Woman is in the movies and straight up magic weapons/etc. are a thing, I know it's a different version of the franchise but it'd be sick if they out of nowhere brought Liam Neeson back.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Played by Ken Watanabe.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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teagone posted:

Why do you think they're going with Flashpoint for the solo Flash movie? :getin:

This would only be good if they use Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Nightwing and/or or Jena Malone as Robin.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Suicide Squad won two Oscars.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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You can definitely make a case for Star Trek Beyond deserving it more for the variety of makeup (and the prehensile claw hair was amazing) , but I just like it because I like referring to it as the *MULTIPLE OSCAR AWARD WINNING FILM* Suicide Squad.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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LMAO this bullshit happens literally any time there's a female character that's powerful from the word go instead of having to be "damaged" in some way like a Whedon character or "I wrote a man but cast a woman" like a Cameron character.

James Cameron is responsible for Aliens, Terminator, and Terminator 2, which are three of my favorite movies ever, but like, LOL yes Cameron you had so much to do with those characters vs. Sigourney Weaver wanting the role to involve her gradual arc from hesitant to taking charge and blasting poo poo instead of being all gun-toting badass from start to finish or Linda Hamilton completely totally owning her role in Terminator 2 in the most badass way possible. Please.

Cameron is like that about everything though, I saw him speak a few times at GameStop manager conferences of all things because Avatar had gotten delayed, and all of its associated video game tie-ins along with it. So we got like two years in a row of this dude blabbering on about how he basically invented the concept of special effects and how revolutionary everything he's ever thought about ever is. The guy's ego has always been huge and he's always given himself way too much credit for creating and executing ONE SINGLE CORRECT way of doing a thing.

Ellen Ripley and Aliens and Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 are incredible characters (Hell Weaver won an Oscar for Aliens, which means Aliens is so good it's half as good as Suicide Squad, which one two :D ) that both gave us something relatively unseen in a massive budget Hollywood summer action movie. But Cameron and plenty of dudes like him in the arts in general have this super linear mindset of "whelp this character type was perfected on this day and year in this film so any divergence from that is wrong." That super conservative mindset makes it impossible for him to even imagine any other type of female character that could exist and be good.

When you listen to Cameron's commentaries and see interviews with him, he's very much of the mindset that women are typically vulnerable, weak, but have hidden reserves of power that can only be summoned up when Aliens obliterate a squad of marines or a robot travels through time. There's one where he basically says this outright I want to say on one of Alien Anthology interviews. The idea that woman could just, like, BE powerful and a stereotypically "a woman" at the same time is genuinely alien to him.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Tenzarin posted:

Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at’ite is a hunter, teacher, and warrior.

She stopped her war.

LOL the interview where they he's just in full marketing mode basically like "Yeah we did a lot of work to make sure she was an alien but still very fuckable."


Sir Kodiak posted:

She did not, she was just nominated. However, Aliens did win two Academy Awards, for Sound Effects Editing and Visual Effects.

My headcannon failed me again.

Ha looking further it seems she actually won a lot of stuff from basically everything but the Academy.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Inescapable Duck posted:

I was just about to bring up that Dances With Avatar Lady wasn't really much of a point given the utter clicheness of it all

And there was basically Vasquez who joins the good guys and dies

That movie couldn't kill the only interesting characters fast enough

Michelle Rodriguez came back after explicitly dying in the Resident Evil series and in the Fast and the Furious series, so with four Avatar sequels happening I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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Mr. Apollo posted:

She's got Diana beat there.

On the topic of Suicide Squad, everything I've read says it was nominated and won for Best Makeup and Hairstyling. There's no mention of a second Oscar.

Viola Davis won best supporting actress for her role in it.

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Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
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MacheteZombie posted:

e: unless that's the joke :ohdear:

Suicide Squad has more Oscars than King Kong, Mean Streets, Psycho, etc. combined.

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