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GalacticAcid posted:outside of an extremely narrow band of twitter retards, that will not happen Realizing this requires not huffing farts. These people love farts. Real fart fanatics.
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I would not at all be surprised to see any number of supossedly reformed hillfolk argue that the fact Hillary lost means she will win for sure this time. Maybe we'll see some warped logic about how the fact Hillary lost the primary and then won it means it's some repeating pattern blah blah.
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Jul 13, 2017 17:09
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Momentarily forgot about the Russia stuff. Yeah never mind, that is absolutely the angle they would take I agree.
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Maybe we will also see dems (not using bad dems anymore for the same reason we don't refer to swans as 'white swans') insist national security will be the defining issue of the election like many argued in 2016.
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Jul 13, 2017 17:25
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"How can you be talking about income inequality with RUSSIA assaulting are country. Typical racsexists. Now I will unironically cite Yuri Bezmenov to back up my argument that you are all USEFUL IDIOTS"
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Agnosticnixie posted:https://twitter.com/SupportFLOC/status/885581709529534464 Nobody knows.
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GalacticAcid posted:holy A take so hot it dipped the world in flames.
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Jul 14, 2017 17:03
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Guillotines are an invention of the past. Be the future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rya8ZrYdBcI
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Serf posted:i think new deal progressivism isn't enough anymore. we tried it, it got rolled back over time and look where we are now. "kinder, softer capitalism" is a myth Leaving ones opponents alive and all their means intact and able to fully engage with the political order does seem really foolish in retrospect.
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Jul 17, 2017 14:09
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UHD posted:haven't most empires in history crumbled from poo poo leadership Usually leadership unwilling (they are almost always able) to address structural/material problems, which then compounds to further complicate matters for future leaders, yeah.
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Jul 19, 2017 19:48
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A Racist posted:There is something odd (and untrustworthy) about a minority who doesn’t come across like a member of his/her minority. Holy gently caress.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:47
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Delusional to a man.
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Jul 20, 2017 00:43
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GalacticAcid posted:the idea that better jobs are available but left unfilled due to a deficit in 'skills' is empirically false
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Jul 20, 2017 19:35
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The skills argument is universally used to blame the poor, put workers to the screws, and kick the can down the road. No surprise from the Democrats but this should dispel any delusions people have about the party ever changing.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:11
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Goes without saying but: The Democratic party is doomed and will collapse before it can be reformed.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:37
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The workforce development system has essentially zero teeth to make businesses do anything at all and it mostly consists of begging/'enticing' businesses to cooperate. The community colleges often involved make a noble effort and have had some success but there is always the danger employers will walk away from a program or change their mind.
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Jul 21, 2017 00:07
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As in everything, the problems flow directly from capitalism and any training solution will at the core involve eliminating or (what a joke) regulating capitalism. In any realistic form in the United States skills retraining is of dubious value, in a different system it would be different.
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Jul 21, 2017 00:11
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Yinlock posted:regulation is good Being good in theory does not mean it is a realistic solution. It cannot be regulated because you are keeping the very aristocracy you are constraining intact and in full control over society. It has failed, it continues to fail, and it always will fail because you are not changing the power relations in society in any meaningful or sustainable way.
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Jul 21, 2017 00:19
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I have a great jobs program that will provide meaningful work and also provide me the ability to escape disgusting earth capitalism and join glorious, pure full space communism. Make a space pioneer corps and subsidize families to go into space forever.
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Jul 21, 2017 00:30
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Yinlock posted:actually that's exactly what regulation is Strange. I thought corporate power surged under the ostensibly regulated capitalist order and we are experiencing a wholesale reversal of those regulations which we are powerless to stop because the left was annihilated and anyone remaining was in the service of capital. Must be mistaken. In your dimension is the work primarily organized by worker cooperatives or some other kind of system?
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Yinlock posted:lol if you think this is or was even close to regulated I'm saying regulation is impossible, because you are restricting the privileges of powerful people who both exist and have the means to reverse them, and then succeed. Looking at reality should make this crystal clear, reading history of attempts to curb elite power without making structural changes (that makes them no longer elites- this would be equivalent to destroying capitalism itself) are almost always miserable failures and should make this clear beyond any shadow of a doubt. AstheWorldWorlds has issued a correction as of 00:59 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Yinlock posted:when i say regulation i don't mean "little slap on the wrist changes that people whine about" i mean "CEOs shot and killed if they break regulations" if you have the power to do this you have the power to eliminate CEOs/capitalism itself. Do that instead and avoid the forever war you will eventually lose as capitalist elites bolstered by automation resort to outright eliminationism.
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Main Paineframe posted:nah, corporate power actually did decline for a while. problem is that when workers' situations got better, they became less interested in fighting to maintain their power. meanwhile corporations still retained enough power to slowly but surely laid the foundations and groundwork for their resurgence, not just in the political sphere but also extending their influence in education and media, as well as exploiting political strife and petty intrigues in new generations of union leadership The dominance of the corporation does indeed coincide with this period, however. I disagree with many of his conclusions, but I think Domhoff makes a compelling argument that corporate power was mobilized long before their more overt ascendancy in the 70's and 80's with full cooperation from the government. Also you may be understating the scale of both soft and hard power exerted on the left by both the government and the capitalist class all throughout the 20th century.
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Main Paineframe posted:there was a lot more hard and soft power being exerted against the left when the labor movement started Yeah that is a fair point, much of the toothlessness of the left was indeed self inflicted.
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tower time posted:The trump thread is full of sickos. They come into the suck zone, they defend slavery. Make Tight Booty Shorts idiot king of the trump thread. He has the forums cancer, he knows how these sickos think. Its a job i'd wish on no man, but with the cancer... he really has nothing to lose. 
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Rand alPaul posted:The funniest part about the Thirteenth Amendment is it required millions of Americans killing each other to pass, and it still allowed a huge loophole to continue slavery. Story of the American Republic really.
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Fran Drescher is a self avowed socialist*. Also sympathetic to the Green party but eh, who cares. *An anti-capitalist hybrid system, so that could mean a lot I guess AstheWorldWorlds has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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deadgoon posted:tony blair is also a self-avowed socialist yeah on second thought its a useless sentiment.
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Squizzle posted:my pitch for beauty and the beast 2 involves aristocrats dueing the french revolution creating a rose bush from cuttings of the magic rose and using it to imbue an army of beast soldiers to oppress the revolution and belle and the former beast take up arms to fight alongside the poor and oppressed Is there a musical number with the sentient guillotine?
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Honest guys, if you just hang in there you can ~change the party~
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nopantsjack posted:changing the dems from within is the most plausible route to widespread political change of the kind people wanna see, and it'll probably happen some day or another and then get slowly stripped away once people stop paying attention. but its only the most plausible cause the runner up "start a third party" is vanishingly improbable though. They are both vanishingly improbable, hth.
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It's easy to win guys, just use the exact political machinery the capitalist oligarchy uses to exert control over society. I'm sure they haven't warped or locked down anything and the pristine machinery of the people is just sitting idle instead of not existing. That this promise has essentially never been fulfilled beyond hazy, ahistorical arguments is of no consequence as I will shift the blame to the individual with absolute certainty.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:51
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zegermans posted:Where's the best beachhead right now in overturning the establishment anyway? I mean in terms of replacing local politicians with Berniecrats/etc. https://youtu.be/2os-MWy7XW8
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zeal posted:such gentleness has no place in the world that comes Glad to see my Running Man rocket sled idea catching on.
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I think you will find that if you just tap into the great machinery of the republic and overcome severe structural disadvantages for decades and maintain perfect cohesion you might get a modest reform. Here, let me back up my argument by pointing to American reforms that have all become miserable failures if you even scratch the surface a little bit.
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steinrokkan posted:how are you going to suppress f-16 dropping napalm over you Plausibility of rebellion aside, "they have weapons!" remains kind of a dumb take in the absence of details.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:what's a joint labor-management committee? Dems will support cannabis like they supported LGBT issues: a handful will defend it and provide some support to the people and all the rest will jump in at the last minute and back it up long after the fight is done. Oh and then centrists will smugly dismiss you for "still" being on that until it becomes a conventional policy they always supported.
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Concerned Citizen posted:"It is no great secret that without work, without education, people lose hope – and when people lose hope bad things happen. The time is long overdue for us to start investing in our young people, to help them get the jobs they need, to help them get the education they need and to help them get the job training they need so that they can be part of the middle class," Schumer said. Cool, so the same policies with mixed results and little staying power. Good stuff, good stuff.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i think it's a very good proposal, i'm disappointed you don't like it Hi, I'm extremely familiar with the organizations that enact these policies and laws like WIOA that the existence of these organizations are based on. AstheWorldWorlds has issued a correction as of 19:15 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:hey I'm extremely familiar with the organization's that enact these policies and laws like WIOA that the existence of these organizations are based on., i'm cc. nice to meet you. Oh good, then you should be aware that outside of a few areas they are only better than nothing because they are not literally nothing.
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