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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

thank you. we have the trump thread for president of hte united states donald j. trump, the democrats are bad thread for about how the democrats are bad, the russia thread for people who think putin has radio transmitters in their frosted flakes, and this thread for everything else. please try to keep it civil and to keep chat-type stuff to the chat thread.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

glowing-fish posted:

Unless it has a markedly different ecosystem and climate at the top, and presents a barrier to human transportation, animal and plant migration, and weather systems, a hill is not a mountain.

do not do this.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The Muppets On PCP posted:

you're missing settlers by j sakai

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Teddybear posted:

You really think this country is ready to elect a Muslim president in Ellison? I mean, I think we can do a lot, but I don't think that we're there yet.

*doing the troll face* we already elected one

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

axeil posted:

"Also, if you think about it, all American institutions and capitalism itself help support white supremacy, therefore all are Nazi enablers and eligible for violent retribution."

Hey, I think you just declared war on literally everyone who isn't currently in the room with you.

among the really dumb things in this article, this stands out the most. participating in exploitative and white supremacist institutions doesn't make a person either and only thought-free caricatures of "the left" think so

thinking that a critique of the united states couched in anti-racism and anti-capitalism includes its entire population reveals certain...biases

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Your Parents posted:

its probably because nk keeps putting out press releases claiming that they're going to attack civilian targets as soon as they have the capability and generally making official government communication that's all threats of violence. the language of deterrence usually isnt supposed to be "hit me or i'll hit you first bitch"

if you actually read the statements you'll notice this isn't true at all and every threat the dprk makes is conditional on an action by the us

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Calibanibal posted:

Paracaidas gets 24 hours, condiv 6. Proof of the mods' anti-centrist agenda

who's the greater fool: the fool, or the fool who quote-replies him for 600 words?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ps post about politics topics and not posters or the thread. report posts about posters or the thread. don't post about the ignore function. bye

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Taerkar posted:

Ten dollars worth of white fragility.

it's about to be at least twenty

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ohthehugemanatee posted:

New subforum title?

No.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

merkel should have taken her marxism-leninism courses more seriously imo

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ytlaya posted:

Well, I mean, I would say that what they mentioned actually is an example of radicalization, but I would also say that "people becoming Leninists" is not even remotely close to being an actual problem in the USA.

actually it'd be the opposite of a problem

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Hellblazer187 posted:

Also - book reqs? You guys have a Clintonite flirting with socialism. Get me over the edge.

economic problems of socialism in the ussr by j.v. stalin

Boon posted:

Something I've never really pondered before about a 100% socialist economy is how are things valued? Like, if someone is paid for the 'actual' value of their labor, how is that determined?

in socialist countries, firms operate(d) under the auspices of state ownership with bodies of workers, managers and party members calling the shots. rather than directing profits back into the firms via top level pay, the money would go to the state, which administrated various universal benefits. there would also be a bonus levied to the workers of the firm that in a capitalist economy would be surplus value flowing right into the pockets of the bourgeoisie. the bonus would increase with productivity or for those working in hazardous conditions

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Take the bad posts here.

Good posts only in this thread, from now on. This is actually a good post, not bad, and I haven't signed it. Cheers.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Pembroke Fuse posted:

(Is this a good post? I can't tell.)

three stars

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Main Paineframe posted:

In general this is a cool and good idea, but goon charity drives have a decidedly mixed history. It might be better in TGRS since there seems to be a pretty strong core of regulars there, but that didn't stop that one guy from tricking LF into buying him skinny jeans.

buddy, they weren't "skinny" jeans!!!!

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

this was a few pages back but reminder that making fun of people for their posts is what the thunderdome is for, and only for those who choose to enter thunderdome

please keep the discussion to politic. thank.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Condiv posted:

that's been p obvious since mlk ignited a firestorm for protesting peacefully

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Domestic Amuse posted:

I can think of one.



lejackal is ronald reagan???

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

we're delving into thunderdome territory here, boys

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

shut up about posters and do the politics posts. if out of some weird masochism dr posts in the thunderdome you can rake him over the coals there

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

CommieGIR posted:

Can we get a link to this?

how about asking this via pm instead of continuing to do the thing i warned the thread not to do

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the biggest surprise in all this is the revelation a powerful hollywood executive has sexual interest in adult women

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jesus loving christ, people

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i'm a print journalist and people itt who think the staffing situation at wapo is exceptional have no clue about anything. that is baseline poo poo at any employer part of the news guild or any communications union. bloomberg bna (which kept its union after being bought out) puts those benefits to shame and they're a trade paper.

rather than blessing lord god jeffrey for his endless generosity perhaps we should be...thanking the union??? without which i have no doubt bezos would be clear cutting that place and making it even more of a state dept mouthpiece than it already is

R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Oct 13, 2017

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Trabisnikof posted:

Foggy Bottom isn't the White House

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Koalas March posted:

So do you believe this is a thing that exists now, or thing that is possible? If you believe it's possible, What steps do you think the country would have to take to get there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_of_Nationalities

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the use of russian as a lingua franca for the soviet government doesn't invalidate the very obvious attempts to maintain autonomy and self-determination for ethnic minorities in the ussr (and the prc for that matter.) you might remember a little thing called world war II that got in the way of perfectly enacting early nationalities policy

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

CommieGIR posted:

The Soviet Union collapsed because they spent all their national resources preparing for a war that never came. If the US had done the same thing, it would've collapsed too.

well this and also there was a literal coup

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Democrazy posted:

But the literal coup was by hardline members of the Soviet government, soooo...

i'm referring to the yeltsin coup in 1993

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ogmius815 posted:

I'll also never forget the time that the Russians gracefully accepted the Czechs decision to adopt liberalizing reforms in the late sixties. The Soviets really showed their true colors then.

eastern bloc uprisings have nothing to do with nationalities policy within the ussr. you know, that thing hungary and czechoslovakia weren't part of

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ardennes posted:

I think Soviet nationalities policy would have worked a lot better without the idea of a monolithic vanguard party to be honest. Of course, the revolution/civil war wouldn't have worked without one either. It is a bit of a catch 22.

As far as 1956/1968...I think both sides did pretty terrible things during the Cold War largely for geopolitical purposes.

the policy got hosed up real bad by wwii. preservation of the whole union was the priority but after the war i'd argue the cpsu was largely successful in maintaining national autonomy. it wasn't just russians in the party, after all

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ogmius815 posted:

Oh yeah you're right. That makes it better. Totally undermines my point and supports yours too.

if your response to anything remotely positive about internal policy of the ussr is "prague spring!!!!!!" you might be a moron

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

this whole line of discussion is explicitly what the thunderdome thread is for. please take it there or get probed

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Shbobdb posted:

Nazi has "socialism" in the name and is of the left.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Shbobdb posted:

R. Guyovich is too busy policing obvious threats to society who are posting jokes on this dead gay forum as opposed to actually addressing racists posters.

the punishment is in the queue you colossal dipshit

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Wasn't she at the infamous Putin dinner?

The infamous Putin dinner.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ok since the big story broke i've been deliberately lax in enforcing this, but it is time to shut the gently caress up about hillary clinton in here.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Gulag =/ Jail

Although our prison system is closer to gulags than it is a reformation jail system like the netherlands, so you may have a point.

the gulag was a reformation jail system complicated by the harsh realities of the war. don't @ me

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ardennes posted:

In that case the Gulag mirrored our own system, it is just at least according to that paper (based on a fond from GARF), Gulag prisoners were being paid 50-70% of civilian wages.

Also, during the late 1940s, there was a severe famine in the Soviet Union, exacerbated by the loss of manpower and the end of lend-lease. I also theorize that there was also a silent collapse of the Soviet oil industry during this era in the Caucasus (which is why the transition to the Western Siberian fields was prioritized to the extent it was).

the work credit system outlined in the second paper combined with the "moral incentive" system and rehabilitative culture neither document goes into detail about shows the system was very different than what most americans think of as prison labor

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