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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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I wonder who is going to foot the bill for repairing water and wind damage in Florida and Texas. Kidding, I know it will be every federal taxpayer. At least the local residents got their couple of years of low taxes while waiting for substandard infrastructure to be replaced for them by the Feds.

Don't let anyone tell you there isn't something to be gained by kicking the can down the road.

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


RuanGacho posted:

Will add the books and hurricane stuff shortly

Yeah, what Florida saw is incomparable to the Caribbean islands getting raked by 170kt+ wind.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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There is enough content outside the presidency to sustain a thread.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


There is a suck zone thread for people who feel an unexplainable drive to sit in a circle and assure each other that they aren't single-minded zealots.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/907470879851819008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

:smithfrog:

Fake edit: I don't know how Ted Cruz thinks the "actually I was showing my wife" excuse will actually fly excepting for the notion that he thinks Republicans are comically gullible.

Given that Ted "People don't have the right to stimulate their genitals" Cruz and the rest of Christian conservatism are living one massive puritanical lifestyle lie, I can understand how someone like Cruz can convince himself that others really believe he's some kind of saint.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Sep 12, 2017

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


I was really betting on the excuse "My media intern messed up, please, he is young, don't harangue him too much." That's at least remotely believable. This whole "I googled 'porn' for my wife and this is definitely one of the first results" is bull if you think of it even a little.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


poo poo, shoulda known since it didn't have a Verrit code.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


this continued left v liberal poo poo is going to get us all killed.

and I'm saying this with two decades of bernie canvassing under my belt

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Hellblazer187 posted:

No country offers a plan as generous as the one Sanders put forward today.

This is superficially incorrect, did you mean something other than "Medicare for All is more generous than any nation's healthcare? "

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Condiv posted:

i think the 31 point swing in oklahoma is due to leftism tbh. rosencrants pushed policy well to the left of what conventional political wisdom says he should've been able to in a state as red in oklahoma and that there's been that much of a swing makes me feel even more sure that there's a deep need for leftist policy in today's america and we need to go hard left to win back a lot of people

in any case, i'm just glad my home state is a little less red than it used to be :)

There are a *lot* of not-yet-aware-of-it socialists in tge GA GOP's voter pool.

I think dixiecrats and their kids might be a little fed up with the southern hick know-nothing bible-thumping racist republican brand.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Sep 13, 2017

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Condiv posted:

i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i certainly hope you're not :)

I'm not. I'm GA most of my time has been spent in the metro area and northward through district 6, but I have spent significant effort further north (and thus red)

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Ague Proof posted:

I read the comments.

He's also created an even bigger mess in the middle east. Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq. Hell, his disastrous foreign policy and its power vacuum created isis.Then his administration forked over billions in cash to loving Iran. It was great in the Reagan days compared to now. You libs are loving morons.

:allears:

That memory hole though.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Dead Reckoning posted:

The CDC isn't banned from doing gun related research, it's banned from doing advocacy.

Hi, guy who works with a CDC funding apparatus here: get hosed, firearm research is absolutely stopped at every level of the grants application and research lifecycles in the US.

It pisses me the gently caress off when some son of a bitch makes an argument on letter of law that has been entirely subverted in execution. It's like a Republican pointing to the 13th Amendment and saying, "See, racism is dead. "

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


withak posted:

Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever.

Frankly, all you have to do is convince the alt-right that there's a pedophilia ring operated out of one of their homes, and eventually someone will show up with a gun.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Does TYT count as a leftist group? Cause they are pretty terrible as well.

Imho we need more far far left crazy talk radio.

We must not allow a talk radio gap!

TYT was fairly mad during the election in particular, and I don't mean "angry"

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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DR's reading of the case is probably not far off, sadly. I don't think he's defending the decision either, just outlining how this ruling was justified.


Related: going straight for murder charges doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere because there seem to be an abundance of citizens and judges who find it reeeeal hard to get over the necessary burden of a murder case. In the end, if we have a short-term goal (under GOP rule) of keeping homicidal psychopathic nationalists out of the force while providing a credible deterrence to brutality, is there another charge we can hypothetically throw at murderous cops that is both easier to convict and guarantees someone will never serve with law enforcement again?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Caros, now, can eat poo poo and die.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Hi, worked with a homeless shelter in Burlington VT four years.

Homelessness is reaaaaaaalllllyyy broad. If your bottom line is anything other than "provide better shelter, provide some healthcare" then you're really not being helpful, full stop, to working the problem.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Quorum posted:

So the police are literally forbidden by state law from banning guns at these things, they aren't wrong about that. Remember, VA is one of the most progressive states in the south but when it comes to guns it's basically anarchy. The cops were being deliberately overcautious and as it turned out basically no Confederates showed up; there were a tiny handful who got jeered at by the crowd and then their tires got slashed and they had to call a tow truck and go home. Then a couple more showed up late and got told their friends already left. :laffo: So turns out transforming my neighborhood into the loving Green Zone wasn't really needed, but better safe than sorry I guess.

All in all it was an appropriate end; after all, the last time a bunch of Confederates were in Richmond, they did a bunch of property damage then ran away. This was just payback.

Not that I don't believe you, but where are you getting this?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Your Boy Fancy posted:

Your Sunday morning Virginia politics update:

The walks are ratcheting up. The number one question is no longer "oh, there's an election?" We are now at "Which one is the Democrat?" 42 people came out to walk for the governor's race, and we're starting to work for Elizabeth Guzman in the House of Delegates race.

People are starting to wonder what the candidates stand for as well, and that's where it's fun to watch released staff learn. It's not enough to repeat 1-3 talking points that the home office in Richmond provides. You have to know what your guy is for. You read this thread, so you know that and I know that - you can't just say "the other guy is a shmuck, vote for me!" Teaching people how to use their own story to explain why their guy is their guy is everything. My job next week is to train / retrain everyone in the office to speak like a human and knock on doors like they're people, not just marching band teens with a script.

Side note: actually ran into marching band teens in Fairfax County yesterday. They were rehearsing their speech while walking to the next door. We had a laugh about it. Door knocking is hilarious and awesome. Democracy is awesome. Getting people to get down for a cause is awesome.

Last round of polling has Northam +6, and the Kochs responded with a $2 million ad buy. Northam apparently had a response to said ad buy ready to go, as VA Dems often do; they've even tactically positioned the response to run immediately after the Koch attack ads. It's kind of amazing.

The north is feeling upbeat. 51 days to go.

Congrats on getting into canvassing, and you are 420% correct on personal stories leading to policy being how to actually get someone to engage you.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


PSA: The President of the United States is speaking before the UN.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


The Kingfish posted:

We need to brainstorm a scarier and more accurate name for what is currently called "Right to Work" and a better name for whatever the alternative is because I don't even know it.

Union Busting already exists

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


MizPiz can burn in hell, holy poo poo have you ever seen someone sockpuppet that hard and not end up being a Trumpenstasi troll?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


quote:

Holy poo poo, minority party in every branch of government, save us!
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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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"OH WAIT NO, STOP PLAYING TRUMP AGAINST HIMSELF, YOU MIGHT SAVE DACA IMMIGRANTS! gently caress, DON'T SAVE US AAAAAAAAAA!"

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Ze Pollack posted:

your masturbatory fantasies are your own business, imo

answer the question

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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did mccain just save 32M American's healthcare plans....again?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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someone help me, I'm starting to develop Stockholm syndrome

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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business hammocks posted:

This is the only time he's ever actually acted independently though. He's been a rubber stamp his whole life. The maverick poo poo is because he often correctly identifies exactly why his vote for or against something would be monstrous.

The campaign finance law was one other time he told the gop to shove it, I'm not aware of any other instances of the "maverick" namesake behavior

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Knifegrab posted:

So this has been floating around my social media:



People are the worst.

How does someone actually believe this.

The human species was a mistake.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Trabisnikof posted:

We certainly are facing extreme and timely threats. The longer we delay action, the worse things will become.


Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm saying Obama can accomplish a lot, but over the last 8 years I saw a willingness to uphold decorum and use traditional methods of action stymie his results. That's left me unconvinced he'll be able to make a meaningful difference and I would prefer to be confident his efforts won't be for naught.


I'm saying Obama's power is fleeting and the longer he disengages from politics it will be harder not easier to get things done. For example, if we had OFA beating the war drums on ACA still, I wouldn't be so worried that Obama will fail to utilize the power he has, but unfortunately OFA hasn't even put out a new blog post since February.

So yeah, maybe Obama will decide in a few months to fully attack gerrymandering and he'll crush it. I'd love that, but I can't get my hopes up anymore.

Fixing gerrymandering required Hillary's SCOTUS pick, full stop.

Death gave us one freebie bonus chance in this generation to right our judicial ship, and we hosed it up.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Trabisnikof posted:

Eh, we can very much still fight it at a local and state level. That's just a lot harder and isn't like a traditional DC based policy campaign or a campaign for president.

Yes, I agree. OFA's purpose was to browbeat this poo poo into the states from the bottom-up where the population could be persuaded to purge those who perpetuate racial gerrymandering and from the top-down through the Supreme Court and DOJ before 2020, though. In a sense, we've failed to make the Caradhras pass and now must trudge through the Mines of Moria, and as a result, we are far less certain to make it out to the other side alive and without the blood of millions on our hands.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

You mean Obama hosed it up right?

"Obama could have reasoned with the GOP!" This horse has been beaten, euthanized, beaten again, cremated, compressed into diamonds and disappeared from existence through matter-antimatter annhilation. Suck zone is >>> that a way.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Sep 23, 2017

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Jesus, today, even as the GOP is trying to force an Obamacare repeal down the nation's throat despite such action having less than 20% approval rating, people are criticising Obama for being unable to appoint Garland.

I don't know what's wrong with you, because God, Country, and the Second Amendment stood between Garland and the Scalia seat, even despite his more moderate jurisprudence than successful appointments Sotomoyer and Kagan.

Obama's appointment notice was not going to be opened by the judicial committee, period, end of story. You cannot bully the
Christian Right into yielding on this such that 60 senatorial votes could provide necessary override. This was never going to happen. Senators would have to have been threatened violently or assassinated for Garland to fill a SCOTUS seat.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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So, what happened recently that's getting leftists particularly vile? We're continuing to gain support for Medicare for All, we're continuing to primary in the states waaaay better than we did in 2014 and 2016, the Dems are holding the line against ACA repeal without any traitors so far, I'm seeing a new face in my DSA chapter every week.... what's the bee in your collective bonnets? Have centrists not been literally killing themselves fast enough to sate your thirst? Does the Dems playing DJT into potentially saving 800,000 minorities get your loving dicks blueballed?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Jesus loving Christ, this is still America, we need loving allies.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Ytlaya posted:

The approach you're talking about - not being satisfied as long as there are still important problems to be solved - is the only reason the progress you mention has happened in the first place. Your attitude only really makes sense if someone is actually saying "I'm not going to vote for Democrats because of this", but simply expressing dissatisfaction as long as your political goals aren't being met is completely reasonable.

Yeah the dissatisfaction isn't my issue, its the wholesale "Dems are worthless" that's a problem. There is a wide set of people under the leftmost tents, and the ones poisoning our revolution are the ones that come across like propaganda / falseflag bots.

I'm on board with the rest of your post.

fyi you're talking to a malcomite, I understand wholly where we cannot cease pushing for better. I'm saying we can do that without circle jerking about "Well the Dems don't offer us much better" when that is objectively false on nearly every issue of import.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Sep 24, 2017

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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You're the guy who couldn't resist making near crypto fascist excuses and edging hard on "Dems shouldn't help on DACA" with dog whistles so loud that it woke up the pound two blocks from my house, right? Or do I have your particularly fantastic string of "Perfection or literally death and broken families, no middle ground folks" posting attributed to the wrong event?

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

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Peachfart posted:

The far-left is mad because that is their essence, it is their raison d'etre.

No, its not some fatalistic or ingrained thing. Stop attacking, discuss policy but also join the revolution too

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