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Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Radish posted:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nancy-pelosi-says-socialism-is-not-ascendant-in-the-democratic-party/

Haha I wonder how pissed she was when her guy lost. Seriously she is so lame and not a leader.

:lol: someone has been receiving nervous phone calls from the donors this week.

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Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
You have to be wilfully ignorant to not see a coordinated pushback against leftist candidates.

They keep insisting the district is too blue to spoil, but that's not what the play is. Crowley thinks he can win on a combination of name recognition, higher turnout of older voters and established community networks (i.e. churches and unions) for a general election, and a national media narrative against the DSA.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Radish posted:

Honestly I think what's going to hurt the centrist candidates is the same thing that hurt Hillary. "Why are you even running?" Booker, Biden, etc really have no reason to run other than naked ambition since they really can't point to anything that has helped anyone (outside of pulling that one guy out of the fire) or plans to fix anything and I think not being Trump isn't really enough especially in the primary where everyone is not Trump. People don't get excited to help some politician get another line on their resume so when the conservative Democrats start talking about how awesome their 20 part plan to have wealth trickle down from corporate tax credits is everyone is going to tune out. I'm really hoping people nostalgic for Obama don't just vote Biden because of name recognition since his presidency would probably be incredibly damaging long term. At least people hate Trump so much that it's making in roads for thinking about fixing huge systemic issues. Biden will get into power, say that we need to all get along, then work with Republicans to help their agenda, do nothing about the courts that have been flooded with fascists, then shrug his shoulders in 2024 when Trump But Smart gets elected and scoot off to some lobbyist job.

Don't worry, it's going to be russia poo poo and trump bad.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I’m more worried about wheeling out an 80 year old man as president. There’s gotta be someone younger who is as or more progressive.

There isn't. Everyone who came of age in the 90s and has any political experience is irreversibly tainted by end of history centrism.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Is that real because lol

https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/1023735292270764032?s=19

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

theCalamity posted:

Wait... what?

The night crew got up to some race realism.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Iron Twinkie posted:

If Bernie gets the nomination they are going to PUMA themselves into voting for Trump.

Nah, the money will back a sensible moderate spoiler so they can keep the facade of the moral high ground.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Main Paineframe posted:

He's also wrong. Kerry opposed gay marriage in 2004. Fulchrum has either either forgotten or deliberately obfuscated where the "gay marriage hurt Kerry" narrative came from, because it's far more vile than that.

It came from anti-gay centrists who proposed that civil rights advances that had absolutely nothing to do with Kerry (such as the MA Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage in the state) had swung the election by pissing off GOP voters, and therefore Kerry's loss was entirely the fault of the uppity minorities who refused to entirely abandon their quest for equal rights during an election year.

I thought it was because right wing activists put anti-gay marriage referenda on the ballots of key states like Ohio to whip up evangelical turnout. Not that it wasn't also used as an excuse to punch left when Kerry lost.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Brent Welder lost so wrap it up Ocassioailures

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Matt Zerella posted:

I'm from and live in NY and I've never heard of a fish fry. Is this an upstate thing?

I've lived in lots of places and I've only seen them in catholic areas on Fridays during lent.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Freakazoid_ posted:

well now I'm wondering how many goons have heard of an ice cream social.

You've got goons and social in the same question so I bet you already know the answer.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Two shitposters enter one shitposter leaves, thunderdome!

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
*whines about the green party*

*endorses the republican*

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
I'm curious to see what Cuomo's numbers look like now that Trump won't shut up about his "never great" gaffe.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

VitalSigns posted:

Sweet I get to choose between the austerity party and the austerity party

The only choice is whether you want them to wring their hands or flip you the bird while they do it.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

HootTheOwl posted:

Speaking of, are you people still convinced he's secretly running?

He's still on the ballot, so there's nothing secret about it :twisted:

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
I think Greenwald's work is important, and I don't give a poo poo what network he uses to get his message out. But it's hard to know what to make of his association with Pierre Omidyar and his outfit's shameful bungling of Reality Winner. Land of contrasts and all that.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Lightning Knight posted:

I had to look up who Pierre Omidyar is. What is Greenwald’s association with him? He seems like a run of the mill techbro but I’m just looking at Wikipedia.

Edit: oh I see, he started a media company. Is that a bad thing? Is it a bad media outlet?

He's the money behind first look media and the Intercept. He also appears to tied into western funding of the recent Ukrainian coup (and associated nazi groups) and the investment arm of the GCC. Maybe it affects Greenwald's reporting and maybe Glen just sees him as a means to an end. It's murky and weird.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

joepinetree posted:

Greenwald was completely unrelated to the Reality Winner thing (Greenwald is a columnist and holds a ceremonial title at the intercept). In addition, while the whole showing the printing marks thing was an obvious gently caress up, it is important to understand that the main reason Winner was caught wasn't that. That was a minor thing used to provide confirmation. Winner emailed the intercept from her work email, and then later from her work computer. The printing marks thing may have given them additional evidence, but she was pretty much done the second she did that. There's no publication that can ensure your anonymity if you keep emailing them from your work email and work computer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.86e9c4413138

He's listed #2 on the masthead as founding editor and columnist, so forgive me if I don't buy that he's purely emeritus. Regardless of the relative role the Intercept's sloppiness in the ultimate prosecution of Winner, it's a bad look for the organization.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1047201391675105283?s=19

:lol:

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Lightning Knight posted:

True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion.

Easy, you call it something else and never talk about where it comes from. Google cochineal.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1051795503376150528?s=19

:ughh: lmao instead of shrugging off a schoolyard insult that only mattered to people who were never going to vote for you, you've legitimised right wing propaganda and given the media license to talk about nothing else. Jesus Dems are bad at this.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

HootTheOwl posted:

Wasn't that always the claim though? Her mother told a story about her grandmother, and she checked a box on an admissions form?

No she was already a law professor when she started claiming it, which is why the scandal has legs if she keeps bringing it up. This whole dna test mess is an epic self-own.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

VideoGameVet posted:

Oh, come on. Won't it be fun to call Trump a welcher on his bet with Warren?

Anyway, I think this proves she's running for POTUS.

Trump was infamous for welching on charity before he was elected. Lol that you think this case will turn out any different. He's already denied he ever said it.

She's absolutely running and her campaign is already doomed.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1052758197738643458?s=19

:ughh: another day, another capitulation

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
The base argument for the Democratic party is that at least they won't make things worse, but they can't even do that.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Republicans have one of the most effective propaganda machines in human history that's able to gasslight like 45% of the country at any given time. Liberal media types absolutely refuse to believe the power it has to shape public perception.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

The Kingfish posted:

im going to have a panic attack

Don't forget grooming people with stories about filthy foreign hordes invading and raping Europe for years and then suddenly whipping the caravan into an existential crisis of invading terrorists two weeks out from the election.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

The Kingfish posted:


WHy is it so tough for democrats to adopt a tone that isn't "sympathetic banker just doing their job by foreclosing on your home."

Better things aren't possible. Shut up and vote for us or things will get worse.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Lol at gettin mad and eating a 6er over some internet slang in the current moment.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
So the Republicans were able to spin up a big turnout push in the last months of the election and largely blunted public reaction to Trump.

I see nothing to suggest 2020 isn't going to be anything but an easy Trump win.

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Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
The GOP is going to take another run at Medicare and Medicaid cuts next year and the Democratic party's test will be to make sure nobody caves.

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