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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s ideology: to the fans, fascism is unnatural. It doesn’t appear as a result of systemic problems; it happens because of bad people corrupting the innocent and causing irrational behaviour. So doing away with fascism is as easy as being more rational.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The sequel films are a Twilight narrative, with the central joke being that the only Christian in the known universe falls in love with a woman who is, by all appearances, the Antichrist.
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Jan 1, 2018 04:45
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I like that Snoke is just some rear end in a top hat like Palpatine, and that the porgs are just bilge rats.
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Jan 3, 2018 22:45
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More importantly, the Rebellion leadership is ready to give up until the radicals force their hand.
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Jan 3, 2018 23:00
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Rogue One is bad because Jyn Erso makes lousy character Rey look even worse.
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Jan 4, 2018 18:07
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General Dog posted:Rey's essential goodness and empathy
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Jan 5, 2018 18:19
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I like the prequels, but whatever Lucas and Christensen were doing with his weird riff on James Dean is not one of the things I stick up for.
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Jan 5, 2018 20:20
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I don't know about the editing thing either way, but it's not as if saying that Hitchcock owes a great deal of success to Alma Reville is impugning his talent.
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Jan 5, 2018 20:29
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Steve2911 posted:The only real issue I have with the dialogue or delivery in the ST was when Leia had to say the word 'Snoke' in an otherwise serious scene. In isolation that line comes across as a parody of science fantasy. No, never mind, I want to see Kylo Ren go up against Howard Alan Treesong.
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Jan 5, 2018 20:45
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This is the kind of thing you should think a lot about if you're, say, designing a roleplaying game where the participants have a lot of time and a lot of freedom with the material, and are going to ask these questions. In a film series it's easily dispensed with.
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Jan 9, 2018 20:20
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porfiria posted:I would say anyone posting here has too much time on their hands, so post away with the mass to energy formulae, I say. It beats rehashing whether or not Qui Gon is a dick for the seven millionth time. If every superhero/space opera/whatever movie justified its magic to the satisfaction of folks like Dirk, they'd all be longer than the workprint of Heaven's Gate.
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Jan 9, 2018 20:27
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Neo Rasa posted:I forget where I read it but one of the effects people gave an explanation for the The Last Jedi bombers (and I guess the TIE bombers in ESB too) that I guess isn't perfect but I thought was fine for sci-fi movie logic if folks really need an explanation. You just described missiles taking out AA guns. This isn't "sci-fi movie logic."
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Jan 9, 2018 22:06
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RBA Starblade posted:This is why the Empire was human only.
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Jan 9, 2018 22:41
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porfiria posted:It's really weird that an obscure planet almost no one knows about is capable of churning out a galaxy-beating army. Why aren't the Kaminoans a superpower then?
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Jan 10, 2018 19:51
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Dexster Jettster is a rockabilly scenester. Every Thursday night he goes to a different diner and waddles around to songs like "Come On Little Droid" and "Everybody's Jizzin'."
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Jan 10, 2018 21:20
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I just want to pop in to say that I started watching the Clone Wars cartoon and it's very cool and good. Among other things, you get a lot more of those little moments from the prequels that humanize the droids as sympathetic hapless dopes who just get cheerfully slaughtered by the "good guys." And long segments that more fully humanize the clone soldiers, too.
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Jan 11, 2018 19:15
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Black "people" simply aren't human. If they were, it would be unthinkable that we let the police basically murder them for fun. That's scary to think about, so it isn't true.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:14
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Dirk, do you watch Black Mirror and just sit there saying "Yep, this is fine"
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Jan 12, 2018 20:20
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CountFosco posted:To compare "android liberation" to the emancipation of the slaves
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Jan 12, 2018 20:52
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This is like when Jennifer Hudson came up ITT. If you mostly watch nerdy dude movies, you could easily not have seen any of those.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:15
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The final scene in A New Hope is modeled on the fourth day in Triumph of the Will, ergo the Rebellion is fascist.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:30
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Waffles Inc. posted:Say what you will about BotL but "they're dressed like nazis ergo the first order are nazis" is just about the lamest "analysis" of a movie
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Mar 26, 2018 22:04
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A problem with the First Order is that it doesn't tell you what it is. The Empire is an empire. The Old Republic was a moribund republic. The Separatists were a secessionist movement. The First Order is what exactly? No character simply exposits a comprehensive explanation you can take at face value; you have to do your own reading. We've had this discussion before. The First Order rose "from the ashes" of the Empire, characters talk about it as if it's a small remnant of the Empire, but it clearly has this massive base of support. Meanwhile the Rebellion is over, and the New Republic is somehow a different entity from the Resistance. A long while back someone likened the New Republic to the Spanish Second Republic and the First Order to the Francoists, which makes the most sense to me. The New Republic is a weak provisional government that has to ally with a non-state resistance movement to fend off attacks from a radical counterrevolutionary movement, which is itself just a continuation of the Empire that came before.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:47
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Well there's a scene that's just Snoke having this explained to him, so how can you fault me?
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Mar 27, 2018 19:14
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Soggy Cereal posted:It's also in the name. It's an order that thinks of itself as "first," as in hearkening back to a previous time, and superior. Timby posted:Analyst predictions, not Disney's. Jesus, we've been over this--that exact WSJ article, in fact--already in this thread. What is with your pathological obsession with insisting that Last Jedi under-performed?
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Mar 28, 2018 18:17
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Timby posted:Generally speaking that holds true. If you don't have a personal attachment to something, you're more willing to kill the babies.
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Apr 5, 2018 20:41
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Terminator 3 and 4 were about the same level of quality as Terminator ripoffs from the late 80s and early 90s, just vastly more expensive. The ship kinda sailed on that one a while ago.
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Apr 10, 2018 16:48
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The guy I know who got to visit the set said Harrelson was just stoned the entire time. But you knew that.
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Apr 10, 2018 17:08
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If you're going to be one of those British actors who just takes the piss in every movie you're in, don't be boring. Be a scenery-chewing maniac like Bruce Payne.thrawn527 posted:Also, yeah, as said above, the Terminator franchise was already at 50% when that movie came out.
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Apr 10, 2018 17:57
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Let's never ever talk about the definition of the word "mitigate" and whether or not something about a movie does or does not meet the definition of "mitigate" or if an attempted mitigation was successful or Jesus Christ shut the gently caress up, all of you.
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Apr 10, 2018 20:48
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The MSJ posted:Based on what I saw in The Clone Wars and The Last Jedi, the Hutts and others like them might actually own many of the resources the Empire needs to built their war machines and support their troops.
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Apr 19, 2018 02:30
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PostNouveau posted:In reality, space is so loving empty. Real FTL space battles might just be jumping into the fight, firing torpedos and jumping away in like 10 seconds flat. Maybe once in 1,000 years some super unlucky pilot jumps into a star.
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Apr 24, 2018 15:26
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Bullets and trains aren’t sci-fi, on their own. What is the film saying about guns and trains?
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Jun 6, 2018 22:06
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Here's my class-conscious Zizekian Christian review of TLJ: The throne room fight was worth the price of admission. God, I'd love it if somebody did a bloody mid-budget action film with all that Bava production design in every scene. Scott Adkins plays Diabolik.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:12
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LGD posted:the problem with this is that they deliberately set out to create a loving interconnected trilogy that would be released in short-succession from the get-go, so they absolutely should have someone imposing a unified vision of some sort - letting different directors play independent auteur with the main line films and clamping down on the anthology films is exactly the opposite of how they ought to be handling things
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Jun 9, 2018 01:31
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The Resistance is a resistance movement being funded and in some ways directed by the Republic. This is a real thing from history, like how the Allies recognized and funded the Yugoslav Partisans and the Polish Home Army in WWII. I agree with whoever said that removing the "boring" political background from the sequel trilogy made these movies way more muddled than they need to be, if you care about understanding why anybody does anything.
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Jun 11, 2018 21:09
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tadashi posted:Sort of. When you kill everyone who opposes you and then manipulate the public to believe a regime is popular, even where it isn't, then it's going to seem extremely popular. This is how fascist regimes work. PostNouveau posted:When does a character talk about the size of the first order army? Also, they're kidnapping and brainwashing people, not recruiting them. Droids could do all the other work, and you could buy yourself a spy network. You're really seeing that the first order is well-funded, not necessarily super popular. (Remember when a teenage Luke Skywalker said that he hated the government, but didn't feel like it was his problem? And he also wanted to join the military? This is entirely normal from an American point of view. Perhaps many people living under the First Order don't like the government, but are jingoistic military-worshipers who don't want to join a rag-tag Republic that can barely stand on its own legs.) The politics of the sequel trilogy are so incoherent that you can't really make sense of it without making some reasonable assumptions based on the text. It's easy to make the assumption that the Rebellion overthrew the empire, established a New Republic, and is now dealing with a rump state calling itself the First Order. My understanding is that that's how it works with the Imperial Remnant in ye olde Expanded Universe, but you won't find it in Episodes 7-8. The truth is closer to the opposite. What is in the films is that the Rebellion assassinated the Emperor, blew up his new wunderwaffe base, and hastily established a provisional government in the style of the Old Republic. They're supporting a partisan movement called the Resistance that's fighting the Empire, reorganized as the First Order. But the First Order REIGNS. (Also, the New Republic leadership and the Resistance are desperate to find the self-exiled Luke Skywalker. I'm not sure why. I guess they regard him as an inspirational Ho Chi Minh sort of figure.)
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PostNouveau posted:I don't think the filmmakers though too much about this, because they're telling a big broad story and didn't put a lot of thought into "how do we let everyone know the Republic is good and the First Order is bad?" Because, you know, even small children can tell through the music cues and actions of the characters and the things that the characters say which side is good and which side is bad. quote:On this, we agree. These movies aren't really concerned with the political stuff, they're more about internal and interpersonal conflicts. quote:It's just meaningless in a universe where droid labor is abundant. The Trade Federation has a huge army too, but they seem to be about 5 dudes total. "A fascist government controls lots of territory and is popular" is much simpler to infer from the text than your idea of a small number of people running a galactic empire thanks to droid labour. That just doesn't show up anywhere else in Star Wars and doesn't make sense in these films either.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:26
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Rey never demonstrates that she wants someone to "rely on." She does demonstrate that she wants someone to order her around and give her freedom from responsibility.tadashi posted:On a separate note, if Star Wars fans are any indication, it is clear that the First Order came to power thanks to the popularity of intergalactic Whataboutism.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:e: Let's also note the bizarre conspiracy mindset here. "Clever little thing critics invented" is some really paranoid thinking.
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