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Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Alien Rope Burn posted:

Yeah, it's tricky. I was working on some fan material for a game recently and realized my color-coding could be an issue (though, IMO, not a huge one) for the color-blind, but it's a question of whether or not I sit down and do two hours of work to fix that or... I do two hours of added actual content everybody will still be able to enjoy either way. I leaned towards the latter and will probably be fixing the former down the road, but it's a question of how far I go with something that's just an unpaid fanboy project. :raise:

If you are making ca 100k/month then having basic accessibility options is a reasonable request, but in your case most people would be fine if when problems are brought to light you try to avoid them on your next project, especially since most accessibility stuff is pretty easy and cheap if you do/consider them early.

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Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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dwarf74 posted:

Uh is this about the "beaners"?

Maybe it's about native Americans being less likely to have souls.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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The only good transmedia property is a trans inclusive media property.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Does anyone know what's up with the current discussion about the author of Bliss stage and their apparently multiple games about child loving? At first I mixed it up with the current thing about authors saying that writing pedophilic stuff is ok as long as it's fan fiction, but this seems to be a specific RPG thing. Thankfully I almost exclusively see people calling out defenders of it on my timeline but if anyone knows why this is a thing right now, I've only ever known of Bliss Stage as the "pedophilic mech game" so the fact that it's author would have support from indie RPG developers seem odd to me.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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MollyMetroid posted:

You can't just drop this and not tell us who the author was.

I don't know if that's who they are talking about but Ann Leckie, author of Ancillary Justice wrote this post as well as making so tweets that are pretty much saying that you aren't allowed to complain about people writing and publishing pedophilic stories because you don't know their background. I think she's going at it from the "nothing should be off limit to writers" angle but it's still a lovely viewpoint IMO.

Edit: Also didn't know until now that AO3 was ok with hosting this kind of content, the fact that the biggest fan-fiction archive is OK with this poo poo is pretty bad.

Hel fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Nov 26, 2019

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Rand Brittain posted:

I mean, do you have to revise things you did seven years ago? It's not really the standard for novels or other long-form works of art that you're expected to revise them as your views change, and it's very rare for a novel to be depublished by the author, either.

It's also kind of a lot of work for something that's not going to make any money.

Back when we didn't have books they were just never reprinted and it wasn't such a big issue since stopped being available that way. But even then there were books that the authors refused to sign or similar things because it was a way of disavowing them. There are also several books that arent going to be turned into ebooks until theire authors are long dead since they no longer stand for them. Basically if you are in control of selling your own works, still selling them means you still stand for their contents.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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För the people more in the know, what are the alternatives to DTRPG? I've heard people are moving to itch , but is that comparable at this point? Is there someone else doing print on demand?

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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My impression was that the audience overlap between itch and DTRPG wasn't that large so there wasn't any reason not to go on both. Not sure of how true that is though.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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So people got a shitload of harassment because Mearls decided to needlessly defend a guy that wasn't even important to the project? He's definitely pro-harassment, there is no other thing to hide behind, like you can't even pretend it's because he's just a dumbass.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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MollyMetroid posted:

There is a very simple answer to why the editors told Weisman (who wrote the actual initial kiss and confession being retconned) to shut that down.

China.

I know that's a relevant reason for marvel movies (partially the bosses are also regressive) but is that so much an issue with nerd toys like magic? I admit to not knowing how much magic sells in China so I'm curious.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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TK_Nyarlathotep posted:

I've been having a lot of really bad anxiety/feelings about this whole situation and like

Full disclosure: I have beef with Olivia Hill and usually think bad things about her when I think about her at all.

But I used to look up to her before that, and I know she's good at saying things that are good for survivors, or at least cathartic in their viciousness.

So I went to see what she said about this in hopes that it would be Just Like Old Times.

https://twitter.com/machineiv/status/1245766223800881153

Instead she validated all the bad thoughts by making it about her and her opinions and her game she wrote (buy it with money!!)

Friends, I would like to say I have it in me to be caustic and sarcastic about this, but I don't. I'd like to say this gives me the energy to do a victory lap, but it doesn't do that either. It just makes me very sad. Whatever happened between the Good Times and the Bad Times seems to be there to stay.

Isn't that just her saying that tools are just tools and not some kind of panacea and can in fact be used badly? Pointing out that her opinion on it was already out there and in fact quoting it so you don't need to buy her book doesn't seem very much like making it all about her and selling her product? Especially not when everyone else also has their take on it.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Xelkelvos posted:

It's the same as DnD but with zero expectation of effort posting or sober discussion as opposed to maybe 50%

But it's the effort posting that makes SA good, why would you not want that?

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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PST posted:

It got linked to some gamergate and right wing gaming sites (i mean, rpgsite is basically just far right gaming outrage now and has been for a long time). I'm not linking the comments there, but it's far worse and runs the full 'racism, misogyny, transphobia, homophobia etc range of bigotry'.

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As an aside for anyone who ran into this, or sees it mentioned in the future, some people are up in arms that Matt Mercer was going to play a Chinese character in a livestream of Chris Spivey's game of Haunted West. Turns out Mercer didn't know what character he was going to play, and pulled out when he found out (the majority of criticism has been aimed at Mercer/Critical Role) Spivey did some not great justification but then agreed with people.

I think there's a complicated argument on 'should white people be playing other ethnicities in live stream games' (L5R is a perfect example) as opposed to 'is it okay to do it in your home game' but definitely this game with its setting and messaging wasn't a good one to raise that discussion on, and anyway Mercer pulled out, albeit is still being criticised for something he didn't do.

Mercer did then happily announce that he was a white guy playing a Japanese man in the new Yakuza video game, so while in one instance he wasn't really the one in the wrong, he did commit that error for real almost immediately afterwards(yes I know the work for that was done a whole back, still wrong though).

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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There is an entire discussion going around the last few years about "digital blackface" and stuff like that, where people want to cosume someone elses culture but not want to actually bring in or pay the people from that culture.
And a big part of it is continuing the catch 22 of there are no famous "ethnic" actors so we keep hiring white guys so no one else gets famous because the white people get all the work. Similar issue for stuff like having cis people playing opposite gender trans roles(cis men playing trans women and vise versa). It's a systemic thing not just individual events and it just comes of really badly when Mercer appologises and then goes right back into happily announces he just did that thing at a bigger scale.

And if you have trouble finding actors of the right ethnicity for at least the main cast in america and canada you probably suck or aren't even looking. How hard is it to find like 20 competent voice actors, they aren't even recording together usually so scheduling is a lot easier.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Mister Olympus posted:

???

when SA jumped me to "most recent post" it was already pretty deep in this conversation and i immediately got hit with the twitter links, so my brain farted for a second. why the hostility

e: if this IS about the yakuza thing why is it acting as if he's doing this in a liveplay also?

yeah ok there was a lot upthread that i just didn't catch, probably because i opened the thread, closed it without reading, then reopened it today lol

Because it's both, they are pretty tied together.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Kai Tave posted:

I do think that the "pay what you want" model has been, while well intentioned, pretty bad for setting effective prices on what indie RPGs are worth.

I feel like using the payment model of roadside fruit stands and church candles would have been better than pwyw since at least then you put a price on it and you have to actively choose to not pay what it's worth.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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I was really curious for reasons why you wouldn't get an isbn, before I realised that in America you need to pay for them. That atleast satisfies my curiosity for why I don't see isbn on small indie ebooks, whereas if I in the future ever put out even a long pdf for public consumption I would probably get an isbn if only because it wouldn't cost me anything here in Sweden.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Arivia posted:


And yes, I would and do characterize a badly written treatment with an acknowledgment of significant social and political power behind it that brooks no disagreement (replies are turned off) as an attack on others because it imposes a singular absolute statement as the only acceptable one.

Wtf? are you arguing that a PoC taking advantage of one of the few anti harrasment tools on twitter means they are attacking someone? Because if not, you really need to take a step backwards and really change how you write your posts.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Is DITV the game where RAW gay people cause demons or am I mixing it up with something else?

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Thanks for the clarification, there was a reason I out RAW there just because I was pretty sure it wasn't the intended read but just the way multiple parts of the game interacted.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Countblanc posted:

I brought this up in the chat thread a while back but I'm always shocked to learn that most people mentally default to "yes obviously we killed those bandits, what else would we have done?" Decades of shounen as my basis for fight scenes have taught me that even the most brutal fights end in scrapes, spitting blood, and changed morals, not dead bodies.

It's video games, outside of fighting or stealth games enemies are either threats or dead, even the ones based on TTRPGs where that's not the case.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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So either she's forced to take tiny steps, unable to bend over or sit down, or she has chain in her hair and boots that drag along the floor? Neither option actually seem that good. This really comes off as someone trying for maximum sexualization rather than actually sexy.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Splicer posted:

First three are just strength, dex, and con run through a thesaurus with all the problems that come with it. Logic will be Int, the only interesting ones are Ego and Vigilance.

Vigilance sounds like the perception part of wisdom and Ego is just the willpower/force of personality parts from charisma. So it really sems like it is just the regular 6 but stripped down for some reason. Its not like regular charisma wouldn't be a big part of superhero stories.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Splicer posted:

Patented, unfortunately. It was approved.

To be fair if you read the patent it's a very specific implementation of it that requires a poo poo ton of resources to actually do.
But it's sadly is still going to scare people away from doing anything similar for fear of being sued.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Didn't this already happen with Monte Cook writing a blog post that was just bluebooking like 20 years after the fact

Can someone tell me what bluebooking is? I'm sure I know it, just not connected to that name.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Ok ,so it's just one of the basic tools that's popped up pretty much every time I've played.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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I don't really get what's special about the underlined stuff, it's just don't use their images or text in your fanstuff and don't poo poo on GW, seems pretty standard. It is only really a problem for fan sites, since reporting is hard if you can't quote or show pictures, but that would probably fall under whatever critique and journalism is rather than just fan works.

Edit : It might gently caress over tools like the yaktribe necromunda tools, but I assume they were already in grey areas.

Hel fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Aug 1, 2021

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Loxbourne posted:

It's hell to have to explain at Valhalla.

I'm not sure dieing of self inflicted plague at a games convention counts as an honorable battle, so you wouldn't be going to Valhall anyway.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Alien Rope Burn posted:

I believe this is it:

What's that quote about the shithead bring the real guy and the nice person being the mask or whatever? I think it usually comes up here in connection to zak.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Kai Tave posted:

I feel like if there was a study concretely demonstrating that piracy negatively impacted sales to a meaningful extent that we would know about it because anti-piracy advocates would never stop bludgeoning people with it, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

The suppressed EU research does show that piracy might reduce sales.
However it would be dangerous for anti piracy advocates to use since it shows that effect is only on recent blockbuster movies and everything else is unaffected by piracy.

Same with the Japanese manga piracy research since even if it shows piracy lowers sales on currently running manga, it also boosts sales on finished works.

So even when the serious research show piracy negatively affecting sales for some areas, it also shows that it doesn't affect or even boosts sales for most of them.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Puppy Time posted:

It doesn't even work from that angle! Like I'm no Lit major but I understand that a central part of X Gothic as a genre is that characters are kind of hosed and distinctly not heroic and the happiest ending you get is "Wow, that sure was some poo poo, glad I got to escape it with my life intact. Too bad everything is hosed up and I'm traumatized now."

Like don't get me wrong I am AOK with "Hey let's dress up as minutemen, throw out the explicit bigotry, and play fight cthulhu zombies!" but that is not gothic, it's just popcorn action. WORDS MEAN THINGS!

I don't think I've ever seen someone use "American Gothic" to refer to anything other than the painting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gothic. Anything Gothic by americans authors have just been "Gothic".

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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The best way to emulate Dark Souls is to have the player's read a page from the dictionary every time they die, before they can get back to playing. This perfectly emulates the corpse runs which the "git gud" types claim is core to the experience.


But really a lot of what makes Dark Souls work is just gear porn, so pump out a lot of equipment with a paragraph or two of flavour text each, this would probably also help sell it to the bathroom readers too.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Bottom Liner posted:

A Dark Souls RPG should in theory work similarly to a Monster Hunter RPG. The focus should be 90% on cool boss fights with big monsters, and various upkeep things in between.

Are there any RPGs that do that? I'm following Relic which heavily leans towards Monster Hunter/Shadow of the Colossus.

See this is the thing, Dark Souls means different things to different people: I would say that a DS game would be 90 dungeon crawler, avoiding traps and ambushes and looking for secrets with only rarely having big boss fights. Because it's basically action-Wizardry which was a way to do dungeoncrawls on computers.

Doing a DS TTRPG is just coming back to the origin point but with several generations of copy decay. It would be better to do what people say and look at what inspired the things you care about in DS, whether that's Berserk, mythology or giant robot anime.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Coolness Averted posted:

Strong disagree. With a few exceptions of some endgame weapons, soulsgames are usually opposite of gear porn, you find the weapon with the animations and stat scaling you like/need and then upgrade and keep it.
Armor is largely the same with staying in your weight class/swapping between fights.
But it's not about going out and finding that +1 sword.

Isn't tons of meticulously described weapons with only minor variations within each class that allow the players to pick which one they think is the coolest, the definition of gear porn. Sounds like Dark Souls to me.


I'm thinking of the Shadowrun/Cyberpunk catalogues that were 60 pages of weapon lists and their fake brands and history.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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I assume they mean tieflings, they were in the first player's handbook iirc.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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The 5e stuff had to keep separate from the GG stuff, because zak and his followers kept pretending to be the progressive ones and aligning with gamergate would blow that paper thin façade wide open.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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I just assume that firing meals means admitting fault, which is anathema to big corporations, or mignt upen them up to something.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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Halloween Jack posted:

I still don't know all the details about the Blood War, but it sounds like the least interesting thing you could possibly do with Planescape. Ooh, a big war everywhere forever.

Nerds zooming in and focusing on the least interesting part of the backstop, why am I not surprised.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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OtspIII posted:



Or am I misunderstanding what 'public game plays' means?

Does Roll20 and other sites make it possible to see which players played together? Because I take it as more like playing in such a way that there is a record, like a forum post or sign up rather than making a podcast about it. And while it's not the only way to play, showing that you've actually interacted with the type of game you are trying to make is a good thing. Though who the hell uses their real name to sign up for elf games on the internet?

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Hel
Oct 9, 2012

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No but some of them "crash" ( the DM gives up) when there are too many rats "on screen"

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