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Arc Hammer posted:What does that make Al the toy barn owner? kevin feige
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HootTheOwl posted:Jedi were bad and rebuilding them is just doomed to repeat the cycle that is the story of every star wars arc, please. someone, anyone, learn this lesson! the only salvageable angle the rise of skywalker brings to the table is rey using the term to make a new school of thought for how to use the force literally called 'skywalkers', except that film is so dedicated to sucking off the jedi and the skywalkers as a family that even that doesn't work
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Jun 6, 2023 04:27
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rey is pretty bad as a character but it has nothing to do with 'power levels'. movie 1: she spends the whole movie wanting to go home to tatooine until some guy in a space truck dies, at which point she swears eternal vengeance against the murderer of the guy who had a space truck one time. most characters just do things with little or no motivation in this movie but she and finn get it worst. movie 2: as part of vengeance against space truck guy murderer, she flies off to meet his old friend and doesn't do anything for an entire movie except face-time with the guy she hates and get into inane, specious arguments with space truck guy's old friend. he proceeds to take over the movie and halfassedly refute all of his own arguments, performing an anti-antithesis that ratfucks the whole narrative flow of the movie and the trilogy overall. movie 3: having accomplished nothing meaningful this whole time, reality starts to break down around rey, with the dead coming back to life, time and space stretching and warping out of control. this somehow results in her not-killing space truck guy's best friend, finding out voldemort is her granddad, and doing the same victory-by-technicality poo poo that beat voldemort last time. she finally gets to go home to tatooine.
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Jun 8, 2023 08:11
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the subtext with rey is that this is what anakin would have been like without moral guidance from his mother, but instead of being indoctrinated into an obvious cult (the jedi), she gets 'adopted' by leia into a much less obvious cult (the resistance). (by contrast, luke joins a rebellion that he was already interested in and is thoroughly disillusioned by it off-screen between the first and second movie.) the 'twist' is that rather than being turned from a well-meaning but easily manipulated kid into a severely hosed up guy between two movies, rey was already a temporarily embarrassed princess waiting for her royal family to take her back, with all the massive character flaws that accompany that mindset. that's why her name is rey. the issue is that tfa is really bad at character writing, so rey beats the poo poo out of finn upon first seeing him and then they become friends fifteen seconds later. finn actually gets it worse, remarkably, but there's still a lot of glossing over her character so that the movie can suck off a guy who owned a space truck one time. the retcon that she was a palpatine the whole time is weird because it 'makes sense' - palpatine is the figurative father of both anakin and padme regardless of what some comic book implies about their literal relationship - but it completely obliterates the part where her relationship with leia is what's important. leia being a total non-character in the movie where this retcon happens makes it even more incoherent. ungulateman fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Jun 9, 2023 02:54
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in fairness, uncharted is just indiana jones, which is just han solo, which is star wars
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Jun 13, 2023 03:18
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i'd be more positive on any of this if either of the EA star wars games you mentioned were functioning products on release rather than absolute messes
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Jun 13, 2023 05:30
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i think obi-wan would have been improved by being a good show, instead of a half-assed movie that got stretched out into six episodes that vaguely and poorly attempted to mirror the structure of the six films obi-wan was in
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Jun 17, 2023 02:39
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the hutts enforce the hierarchy of slavery on tatooine very seriously: you don't steal someone's droid slave, not even from another slave
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Jun 26, 2023 00:39
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels and Second Sister in Fallen Order are the only ones that work as characters. Reva in isolation is decently compelling, like a better version of Starkiller from Force Unleashed, but sticking her in an organisation full of dipshits that talk down to her while doing nothing themselves seriously cuts into the opportunities to actually do anything with her - to say nothing of the part where she somehow manages to be the least uninteresting character in the show, which is named after someone else and heavily features anakin skywalker in a darth vader suit
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Jul 12, 2023 14:21
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thank you magic trash can
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Jul 20, 2023 01:59
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i wonder what Lucas thinks of the strikes, given that he made the prequels without sag-aftra approval because they wouldn't let him not have opening credits
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Jul 30, 2023 04:12
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the maul/obi-wan fight would make sense if it was the conclusion of their characters about ten years earlier, but obi-wan in that time period is a batshit crazy old man who's forgotten everything he knew and learned how to survive in a desert from the indigenous people. he should not be doing cool laser sword fights with a devil man; he should put his cloak over his head and make a funny noise, making the devil man fall into a spike pit.
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Aug 13, 2023 23:39
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i figured out a tiny, fun little easter egg that is a deep cut even by star wars nerd standards: in the grand finale of andor, when maarva gives her post-mortem speech as a hologram, she says her full name "maarva caraasi andor". one of the more prominent secondary characters in the old obi-wan kids' adventure novels was named Cerasi, and her final scene is also a post-mortem speech given by a hologram recording of her. it's not quite thematically consistent - cerasi's speech was about ending a cycle of unnecessary violence, while maarva's is about starting a specific course of necessary violence - but i thought it was neat.
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Aug 16, 2023 00:46
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Obi Wan mole guy nodding along to Imperial Ben Shapiro's latest holocast star wars hbomberguy: "what is it with you people and darth vader's helmet??"
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Aug 29, 2023 05:10
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the underlying idea of midichlorians is that they function like mitochondria do in real life, where a hostile organism ended up becoming integrated so totally into the genetics of their hosts that they are inseparable - part of the 'symbiont circle' that Obi-Wan mentions in the same movie. the part where the characters (and the audience, sometimes) trip up is that extrapolating a natural phenomenon onto society leads the Jedi to identify the Republic as the 'host' - and this biotruthy-metaphor extends to seeing resistance to the Republic as 'unnatural' or 'cancerous'. Heck, we even see Nemik trip into this fallacy in Andor, when he decries the Empire's authoritarianism as 'unnatural' rather than making a more specific ethical point. while the full details aren't out there, i'm fairly sure this was where George Lucas' sequel plans that were going to 'explore the microscopic world of the Force' were going: they were going to explain that midichlorians were engineered, and not a natural phenomenon, to underline the point that trusting something just because it's 'natural' is foolish.
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Sep 2, 2023 23:56
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Chirrut might still secretly be a mutant, but the part where R2-D2 and C-3PO do the same thing not long afterwards is the real evidence that telekinesis and cool backflips aren't the same thing as The Force. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtYHUYak0rE&t=28s (i've always liked the idea that 'the Force' is narrative contrivance, given form within the diagesis.) ungulateman fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Sep 3, 2023 |
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Sep 3, 2023 08:37
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It's unfortunate that this show is stuck in the exact wrong part of the timeline to even get into the questions "what is the force and how do people interact with it?", given that the sequels happen and demonstrate that nobody has learned a drat thing
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Sep 5, 2023 00:16
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Robot Style posted:That ability showing up in the movie seems to be just be a production band-aid for a part of the sequence that didn't work. i love that they reshot a looney tunes sequence (disappearing in a cloud of smoke) with an even loonier tunes sequence (zooming away with speed lines rushing off them)
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Sep 5, 2023 03:19
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i'm all for the show being dumb as hell in a good way, but we really did not need three plodding episodes to get to this point
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Sep 6, 2023 03:49
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's not conveyed very well, as with everything else, but the character has pretty much just bluntly stated that the Republic was poo poo, the Empire was poo poo, and the New Republic is even more poo poo. His goal is purely to destroy the New Republic, but also to eventually take out the remaining Imperials so that the galaxy might finally be liberated from this nonsense. Notably, these folks are (in keeping with filoni's love of wolves) named after the children of Fenrir that chase the sun and moon across the sky and will devour them during Ragnarok. And given that Ragnarok is both the destruction of the old order and the creation of a new one, that fits. in a shocking change of pace, i'm annoyed that we have a star wars show that isn't about the dipshits with lightsabers, because these guys are way more interesting than thrawn
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they need to have Representative Wikket (appointed by Leia to serve as her understudy) vote to give Chancellor Fey'l'ya emergency powers
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Sep 7, 2023 02:36
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McSpanky posted:Releasing a film in assembly cut form as a TV series and inviting the audience to refine it into the final product by giving it an incredibly languid pace and repetitive sequences is a boldly subversive act of audience participation I did not expect from Dave Filoni, my hat's off to him. we just got obi-wan
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if holdo's attack was as effective as the cinematography made it look, someone would've invented cruise missiles. what's actually going on is that she's drawing attention via a spectacular kamikaze maneuver that - as bizarre as this sounds because of what's on screen - doesn't do that much damage. After Kylo gets up from hitting his head, he and Hux send all their forces down to Crait and it doesn't seem to have had a meaningful impact on their deployment. which makes sense, seeing as it's thematically in line with luke showing up and doing a big song and dance routine that doesn't actually accomplish anything while all twelve surviving resistance members get in the millennium falcon. it's a fruitless symbolic gesture that reaffirms that the person doing it truly believes in
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Hazo posted:Why can't the Star Wars live action series figure out the 180 degree rule hang on, this is just "shot reverse shot" with extra steps!
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Marsupial Ape posted:Jesus Christ, you can’t even intimate a person doesn’t deserve the comforts of civilization if they refuse to cohabitate correctly with other humans, anymore. weird thoughts.
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Jerusalem posted:That's not true at all! His turn was incredibly well handled, the master George Lucas at his finest. dogg, the first thing he does is collapse to his knees and declare "what have i done!?", before declaring that he will "do whatever you ask" in the most broken tone imaginable. and all that he's being asked to do is turn the same incredible violence he's been happily doling out on droids and tuskens since he was a child to the people who inadvertently (and sometimes entirely on purpose) hosed him up his whole life! i think the funniest part of the whole sequence is that palpatine's face goes all wrinkly and his voice gets all froggy because he's becoming more like yoda as he transforms from an evil politician into an evil wizard. every single rear end in a top hat that has been loving up anakin's life since he was a child is in that room, on either a literal or metaphorical level, and he picks the one that's at least claiming to be supportive of the wildly toxic romance that managed to make a bad situation worse.
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Sep 14, 2023 06:00
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those sure are a lot of words to express that you only remember the punchiest line in the last jedi and not the rest of the movie which (badly) argues against that punchy line
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Sep 14, 2023 09:45
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Nah, the show just does a really shoddy job of conveying basically anything for a lot of it. Defining Skoll and Hati as 'not jedi' as they reference the opening of episode 1 and then showing a 'jedi' as some lady futzing around in an old tomb doing nothing in particular is a shockingly poor introduction to what's going on, to say nothing of the bizarre thrawn plot concept that kinda just hangs over the show not interacting with the events on screen it's a bizarre contrast with rebels, which is the other big filoni vehicle with some broad similarities, except that show does a way better job of establishing the characters and their relationship with the empire in the pilot alone
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Yeah, Clone Wars isn't a contiguous narrative like the films or Rebels is. If an episode or arc is released later but takes place earlier, it has to be understood in the same context that the prequels themselves do relative to the original trilogy - like when we see the clones in action and only then go back and see that their training was hosed up and terrible (in more specific ways than we could already intuit from the movies, of course).
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Sep 18, 2023 00:56
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anakin makes one good decision ever and that's risking his own life for other peoples' well-being as a nine year old child, after which he gets instructed to kill other people for other peoples' well-being instead, and he never gets an opportunity to interrogate that underlying premise. it's hardly a surprise that when his good (only?) friend tells him to kill people for other peoples' well-being he just goes along with it. the tragedy of anakin skywalker is not a good person turned to evil, it's a kid with a bomb in his head never learning what it means to be good in the first place. to bring this back to rey: she faces a broadly similar challenge in that she's never really had the opportunity to consider how or why she should use her incredible powers for violence, but the plot events continuously put her in situations where incredible violence with no thought is the correct answer to her problems, right up to the point where she is about to inherit the mantle of Every Sith Ever from palpatine, at which point no-longer-kylo-ren dies and this lets her use incredible violence correctly instead of incorrectly. it's like if anakin skywalker decapitated mace windu and also palpatine then went home happy. it's crap. ungulateman fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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Sep 18, 2023 03:03
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Anakin successfully stabbing all the children in the chest, only to face-fault as they survive through increasingly silly circumstances and get whisked away to become minor antagonists in bad secondary media
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maybealabia posted:Mobile Suit Gungan tengen toppa gungan lagann
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Sep 18, 2023 23:32
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jar jar binks fucks
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going to a whole different galaxy in star wars to try and find a liberal democracy that doesnt suck rear end
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Sep 20, 2023 10:13
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i'm all droid racisted out from cinema discusso, so let's talk about "passion" in the context of the jedi and sith the archaic meaning of the word comes from the latin "to suffer", which ties straight into yoda's fear-anger-hate-suffering-dark side koan - but the only context a modern audience is likely to understand this in is "the passion of christ". and as we all know, darth vader is star wars christ. the jedi code says "there is no passion (suffering), there is serenity", because the 'joke' is that they mistranslated their older texts that said "(suffering), yet serenity" - which fucks up the jedi's philosophy on every level, because they stop being ascetics who endure suffering and start being ascetics who ignore suffering, which is the root of all the issues that destroy them. the part where the romantic/emotional/sexual connotation of "passion" got picked up on and incorporated into their beliefs just makes this even worse. the declaration "peace is a lie, there is only (suffering)" can be read the same way - "peace, yet (suffering)" is effectively a succinct description of structural violence, but it's cynically reinterpreted as "violence is natural and good" because the sith (palpatine) are a bunch of self-serving assholes who love to take people suffering from structural violence (darth maul and general grievous are good examples) and turn them into weapons. the jedi and sith codes, the jedi koan yoda delivers in TPM, and the prophecy of the chosen one are all about a bunch of people misinterpreting what Darth Vader did, because the prequels are achronological sequels. darth vader, not anakin skywalker, was "a jedi, like [luke's] father before [him]", and nobody in either the prequels or sequels learned that lesson, though kylo ren was on the right track before an evil ghost tricked him into thinking he was the real christ
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droids like doing work and don't like being mistreated. many others are the same: we call them people. the part where this work might include 'being a tractor' isn't really an obstacle; nobody puts a restraining bolt on Hubie in The Love Bug. if you put a restraining bolt on your droid tractor and make it till your field, you have taken a person and made them a slave. this is the status quo of star wars. something really hosed up going on mostly in the background is part of its charm. ungulateman fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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Larryb posted:Droids don’t have legal rights though lots of people are denied legal rights.
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Oct 1, 2023 02:11
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maybealabia posted:For example, is conceivable that a binary load lifter wouldn't even understand the concept of "being free" and many types of droids might literally go insane without being given a purpose in star wars, binary load lifters understand the concept of "being free". human beings in real life also prefer to have a purpose. part of not being enslaved is getting to decide that what purpose is, rather than it being given to them as an instruction or order. ungulateman fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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it's the same reason Finn's legal last name is Toowonaitseven (actually it's Dameron but let me have this)
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Marsupial Ape posted:Hold up. If the Death Star laser is powered by Kyber crystals, the laser is giant light saber. Why does the Death Star shoot green lasers and not red? Did Sideous not bleed the Kyber crystals of his giant lightsaber? Is he stupid? the red lasers are because the people using 'em are angry (or sadistic, in sheev's case in episode 3). the empire is run by a bunch of people just doing their jobs; they're not angrily destroying alderaan. it's pretty straightforward commentary on the banality of evil, it's also why the empire are nazis, americans and british all at the same time
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