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Isn't Toby Young the only person who comments on Toby Young articles?
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sebzilla posted:If they all spent their time and money and effort campaigning for Labour we might be carbon neutral as a country by 2030. They've really gone hard in on the citizen's assembly thing - moreso than just monitoring, also to drive political policy - to quote from https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/demands/: quote:The Citizens’ Assembly on Climate and Ecological Justice will bring together ordinary people to investigate, discuss and make recommendations on how to respond to the climate emergency. Similar to jury service, members will be randomly selected from across the country. The process will be designed to ensure that the Assembly reflects the whole country in terms of characteristics such as gender, age, ethnicity, education level and geography. Assembly members will hear balanced information from experts and those most affected by the emergency. Members will speak openly and honestly in small groups with the aid of professional facilitators. Together they will work through their differences and draft and vote on recommendations. Climate change really isn't something that noticibly affecting the general UK public (yet) while at the same time, an assembly representative of the country's current demographics would heavily skew towards those that are not going to be affected by climate change. I am also not convinced that a citizen's assembly would be able to make firm and detailed recommendations outside of things like "reduce emissions" and "less plastics" while also not being able to provide the necessary detail required to implement such recommendations - climate change and environmental issues are complex issues that will require economic retooling at all levels on a global scale. quote:The Citizens’ Assembly will be run by non-governmental organisations under independent oversight. This is the fairest and most powerful way to cut through party politics. It will empower citizens to actually work together and take responsibility for our climate and ecological emergency. Yes, cut through the party politics even recommendations would still have to be legislated by the party political UK parliament and enacted by the party political UK government. Their main example of a citizen's assembly: quote:Citizens’ Assemblies are used to address important issues that electoral politics can’t fix on its own. In recent years, Ireland’s Citizens’ Assembly broke the deadlock on two controversial issues: same-sex marriage and abortion. The recommendations of the Citizens’ Assembly informed public debate and provided politicians cover to make the necessary changes. A subsequent Citizens’ Assembly on Climate Change produced a series of recommendations that were incorporated into the Irish government’s action plan. It really annoys me how they try to equate past societal changes with their movement - like how they model themselves on the civil rights movement in the USA, which again, simply required simple legislative change and modifications to resolve (notwithstanding still ongoing institutionalised and societal racism and how enough has not been done to address it). quote:This is an emergency. The challenges are big, wide-ranging and complex. And solutions are needed urgently. Yeeeeeeeeeeah let's pretend that we can totally bypass the corrupt politicans and broken political system by having a get-together by lottery of supposedly representive citizens by just ignoring that whatever outcomes they come up with need to be legislated and acted upon by said corrupt politicans and broken political system... I am totally onboard with their other objective of raising public awareness but the whole thing comes across as screaming SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING without suggesting what should actually be done and instead pawning off what should be done to someone else to figure out (even though we already know what we need to do). chestnut santabag fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 10:15
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Guavanaut posted:Laws named after people and animals are poo poo. What about vegetables?
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Oct 9, 2019 21:25
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Weren't bank cards being considered as acceptable ID for voting purposes?
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Oct 13, 2019 11:05
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Ms Adequate posted:And also a people's vote is.m no longer their policy so lmao Yup, their policy now is unequivocal revocation even though they had also been calling for a referendum on EU membership in the first place. Previously they had been calling for a people's vote while saying they would just ignore if leave won again. Putting the democrat in liberal democrats.
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Oct 16, 2019 09:37
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Braggart posted:It's tough out there for a politician with no principles. People keep bringing up things you've said and done, as if any of those matter now. Tell me what you want me to say and I'll say it! (And do whatever I want instead.) Except they're now calling for a second referendum again?? 
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Oct 16, 2019 10:41
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IrvingWashington posted:We've got Hong Kong Vs China in Leeds right now. Quoting so that I can actually see these images.
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Oct 16, 2019 18:13
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baka kaba posted:So have I got this right? Bohnson wants a vote on this deal Saturday, and the opposition are saying they'll only vote for it if there's a confirmatory referendum (vs Remain I assume) attached to it? And there's basically no way to hold a referendum before the 31st right? So if the government can't force this through with no conditions there'll need to be an extension anyway? Depends on which opposition. It's still being hashed out but it looks like Labour will first try to vote down the deal and if that fails then add an amendment for a confirmatory vote. Libdems uh may push for the amendment first and then support the deal on that basis? Guavanaut posted:
I think people really seem to be oblivious of the fact that facebook owns instragram...
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Oct 17, 2019 13:38
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caps on caps on caps posted:The EU will at the very least agree to an extension to debate and pass the new deal. It would make zero sense to agree to a deal and then let the UK Brexit just because of timing issues. And if the deal is rejected in parliament, then most likely they will still agree to an extension so we can do the whole "vote many times on the same deal" dance again. Except I think they're voting on the new deal this Saturday and if it passes then its done hence not needing an extension (assuming other things like referendums or GEs get attached to it).
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Oct 17, 2019 14:41
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Comrade Fakename posted:Okay, so I’ve been thinking about it, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Labour voting for the deal with a referendum attached might be a very good idea. Having a referendum that the Tories vote for completely undercuts the “people vs parliament” angle, which is a concern if the Tories are dragged into extending or especially if we have a unity government that looks pretty undemocratic (even if it isn’t really). Nah Labour should support an amendment requiring a referendum on the deal but then still oppose the deal - if they vote in support of the deal and then immediately come out in opposition to it then they just get painted as undemocratic traitors.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:00
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Sulphagnist posted:Swinson talking about a referendum, I thought the Lib Dem position was to revoke Article 50? If not then why all the fuss about Labour supporting a referendum? (I am being facetious) Supposedly they're back on the people's vote bandwagon (except a vote on any deal vs remain)...
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Oct 19, 2019 15:05
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Everyone knows it's in reference to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I33u7P-XokE&t=303s
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Oct 21, 2019 21:14
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I've got a couple of questions for the various Scots: Would you rather a Scotland independent from a Tory run UK or a Scotland being part of a Corbyn/McDonnell (or successor of equivalent credentials) Labour run UK? Similarly, would you rather a Scotland independent from or part of a Corbyn/McDonnell (or successor of equivalent credentials) Labour run UK? I'm not including being part of a Tory run UK because nobody loving wants that.
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Oct 22, 2019 11:49
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seizure later posted:to be fair to the ScotNats, just under a quarter of the English people voted for the Tories in 2017, which is far too many. better to cleanse this wretched, vague bloodline(?) from the face of the world. 45% of the English voted for the tories in 2017. In comparison, over a quarter of Scots voted for tories in that same GE.
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Oct 22, 2019 12:20
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seizure later posted:I don't think 13.6 million people is half of the English population unless we have had an unprecedented boom in residents since 2017 Yeah I updated my post as I was looking at the wrong stat, but specifically I was referring to the percent of those who voted rather than the total population.
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Oct 22, 2019 12:28
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Operation yellowhammer off to a good start I see.
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Oct 23, 2019 09:46
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Chip baguette you say? How about a chip loaf: 
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Oct 23, 2019 14:11
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jabby posted:Complete bollocks. This could be interpreted as Labour MPs not supporting an GE specifically this very moment as the extension needs to be confirmed first but gently caress knows with these so called reporters and their "sources"
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Oct 23, 2019 22:16
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The UK: not quite as poo poo as we thought OK, next question would be how to help developing countries. Reparations and significant interest free investment? Nah it'd be all "the best help we can give them is to take back control of their countries just like in the good old days". Otherwise, the other takeaway from this is that if developing countries improve then there's less reason for them foreigners to come to our country (not really a bad thing in consideration of reducing global inequality and preventing excessive centralisation but the xenophobia part is a bit uh problematic) chestnut santabag fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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Oct 24, 2019 11:23
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ThomasPaine posted:That said some branches are. XR Scotland are very good and directly @'d the London lot lol quote:At last week’s roadblock action targeted at the Government Oil and Gas conference, protestors from groups other than XR Scotland began singing the chant ‘police, we love you, we’re doing this for your children too’. In all fairness they might have been singing this about the children of those undercover police who infiltrated environmentalist groups and fathered children and then subsequently abandoned them when they were extracted. (they were definitely not doing this) Plank Sanction posted:I see Jo Swinson is very publicly (i.e. via twitter) 'asking' Jeremy Corbyn to support a second referendum. Isn't this literally Labour policy and explicitly not Lib Dem policy at this point? They want a referendum before an election, so on the deal that is currently being debated. Good luck on getting a straight answer from them on what would happen if that deal won anyway... chestnut santabag fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 24, 2019 |
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Oct 24, 2019 14:08
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gh0stpinballa posted:if it's being funded by billionaires (who are also buying airports), claiming to be "beyond politics", bootlicks cops and directs its members to get arrested, is so scared of alienating the ruling class that it won't allow members to form socialist affiliate groups, has groups called XR Landlords and XR Police, only has begging the rich and powerful to fix things as a goal, and isn't interested in self-empowerment beyond largely aimless and ultimately pointless decentralised actions and attempts to dance on tube trains, then it is not, by its own admission, anti-capitalist. XR Landlords and XR Police was a parody thing though, right? I remember them starting off as parody but then recently heard how they're real now but could never find anything confirming so?
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Oct 24, 2019 14:18
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Guavanaut posted:https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/10/extinction-rebellion-has-a-politics-problem quote:Not long ago, a friend of mine affiliated with the London-based group Left Culture Club attempted to start an XR socialist subgroup and quickly incurred the ire of the central XR media team. In a phone call, he was told that such a move would contravene XR’s stated “beyond politics” stance but also make it more difficult to accomplish their strategic goals, which, the spokesperson argued, require the cooperation of big business. Yet in an official email encouraging people to join affinity groups, XR’s list of approved spin-offs included XR Police and XR Landlords. The fact that the group fails to see that these two positions are themselves inherently and inextricably political bespeaks the degree to which theoretical attempts at apolitical stances will invariably, in practice, favor those already in power.
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Oct 24, 2019 14:30
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I know polls are meaningless and all but 
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Oct 24, 2019 17:23
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As borisnghjosng intends to call an election using the FTPA which lets him set the date, I wanted to find out if parliament could still intervene so I had a quick look at the act:quote:The Parliament then in existence dissolves at the beginning of the [25th] working day before the polling day for the next parliamentary general election as determined under section 1 or appointed under section 2(7). Having a quick skim through the rest of the act out of curiosity I come across a bit that's amending another act from over 300 years ago: quote:In section 7 of the Succession to the Crown Act 1707 omit “or dissolve”.  
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Oct 25, 2019 01:04
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CyberPingu posted:Any idea what time the EU are expected to announce their decision? Possibly only on Monday now because supposedly they may not want to grant an extension if there's no election and botodjjubson pulls the WAB, him pulling it because of there being no election and there being no election because of there being no guarantee of avoiding no deal brexit because there's no extension...
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Oct 25, 2019 09:41
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Bobby Deluxe posted:"Make sure no deal is impossible, then election, then second referendum" seems pretty clear to me. How is the first part supposed to be achieved?
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Oct 25, 2019 12:28
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ShadowSpectre posted:"hey nigel how many layers of of brexiteer are you on" So obviously the new hardest of hard brexits is to not only leave the EU with no deal, but to sever all contact with them and refuse to acknowledge that the rest of Europe even exists at all any more.
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Oct 28, 2019 15:49
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The 9th means parliament has to dissolve this Friday whereas the 12th gives 3 more days for them to work on things such as, budget, something to do with NI and maybe get the WAB passed.
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Oct 29, 2019 12:15
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Can we get the thread renamed for the last day of the month to "Lies, drat lies, polling companies and libdems"?
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Oct 31, 2019 11:49
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chestnut santabag posted:Can we get the thread renamed for the last day of the month to "Lies, drat lies, polling companies and libdems"? Even though it probably went unnoticed I'm choosing to believe that I helped with the thread title  In other news today I dropped off some leaflets, stuffed some letters, mailed them off and also signed up as one of the 10 signatures required to nominate the PPC for my constituency. Its loving on we're going to loving do this!
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Oct 31, 2019 18:33
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I wanna give a big thanks to this thread: when you all aren't talking about stupid poo poo like crisps there's a ton of useful information and salient discussion. I just got back from the campaign launch and canvassing training for my constituency and a question was raised on how to respond to tactical voting sites saying to vote for libdems here and thanks to this thread I was able to bring up exactly how they're full of poo poo.
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Oct 31, 2019 22:55
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