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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Pesky Splinter posted:

Michael Goat staring into our souls. :stare:

Also, Guavanaut, updated the list of Previous threads.

It's inspired by 'The Scapegoat' :eng101:


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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

ThomasPaine posted:

That's mostly because everyone in the UK is an arrogant racist who can't deal with the fact that the backwards orientals have actually effectively contained an epidemic better than neoliberalism could dream of, OP

I'm sure their figures aren't perfect but they're no worse than ours, and there's no reason to believe that they don't have it under control by now. You don't go to the trouble of sealing off a huge city and building hospitals in days only to open it and close them before you're ready to, while also sending supplies and experienced healthcare professionals abroad to assist other countries.

I posted in the GBS thread that it was funny to see the thread moving from poking fun at other countries for their responses to indignantly claiming that the US was only looking bad right now because everyone else was fiddling their numbers and got some very butthurt replies lol.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Gonzo McFee posted:

Keir Starmer will be awful, they're already planning mass purges of the left.

At least that would be evidence of determination and vigour.

I'm expecting him to be more of a weakly vacillating, Ed Milliband figure. (the old Ed, not the new, cool Ed.) Like, he'll be continually nervously triangulating to what he thinks is the acceptable centre of any given policy, only to have the Tories repeatedly outflank him on the populist left, making him look stupid.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

TheRat posted:

Fair enough. Let's all enjoy this instead:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comme...sively-1.498669


e: Cat tax

'Uniquely nasty' = laying the groundwork for why antisemitism in the Labour party is suddenly and magically no longer an issue, once Starmer takes over.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I know I've lapsed into falling asleep not long after 9pm and waking up a little before 5am but perhaps that's just me being weird.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

bessantj posted:

Yeah, it was impossible to stay 2 metres away in Asda, I just decided to rush round as fast as possible and get out as soon as I could. At one point several people had clogged up a top part of one isle and the Asda worker waiting to stock that part of the isle looked like she was working out who to kill first.

Look, I can only meditate by falling into a deep and prolonged trance while staring at tins of baked beans, ok?

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

ThomasPaine posted:

They're honestly not at all right-wingers and are generally nice people, just very 'apolitical' and completely ignorant about how that's the product of internalised neoliberal ideology that in practice supports the status quo and all its violence.

People really don't like to think too hard about the fundamentals of money. It's a deeply felt (although largely unconscious) impulse. I've seen so many perfectly intelligent people become visibly uncomfortable when these questions arise and deflect to a different subject without necessarily realising that's what they're doing.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Not So Fast posted:

People throwing their toys out of the pram need to step back and breathe. Keir just got more votes than Corbyn did in 2015. I would wait for him to betray those voters before we start calling him Blair 2.0

Honestly, the candidates all fell into a narrow spectrum of soft-Corbynism.

Yeah, I appreciate people itt are disappointed but Starmer in 2020 is not Blair in 1997 and Starmer pretty much ran on Corbyn's policy platform. It's not the end of the world just yet.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Pound_Coin posted:

Guardian chat: a longread about how the guardian got co-opted to lick boots harder: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/11/uk-security-services-neutralized-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/

Consortiumnews posted:


The Guardian itself has run a remarkable number of news and comment articles criticizing Corbyn since he was elected in 2015 and the paper’s clearly hostile stance has been widely noted.

Given its appeal to traditional Labour supporters, the paper has probably done more to undermine Corbyn than any other. In particular, its massive coverage of alleged widespread anti-Semitism in the Labour Party has helped to disparage Corbyn more than other smears carried in the media.

The Guardian and The Observer have published hundreds of articles on “Labour anti-Semitism” and, since the beginning of this year, carried over 50 such articles with headlines clearly negative to Corbyn. Typical headlines have included “The Observer view: Labour leadership is complicit in anti-Semitism,” “Jeremy Corbyn is either blind to anti-Semitism – or he just doesn’t care,” and “Labour‘s anti-Semitism problem is institutional. It needs investigation.”

The Guardian’s coverage of anti-Semitism in Labour has been suspiciously extensive, compared to the known extent of the problem in the party, and its focus on Corbyn personally suggests that the issue is being used politically.


I like the cut of this website's jib.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

OwlFancier posted:

I can't imagine anyone ITT typing the phrase "lackadaisical insoucience"

E: Including me because I can't spell it.

I don't even know how you'd pronounce it.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Same round here. The guys on the door have obviously been told to be extra jovial about everything and to be fair are doing a good job. All the rest of them do seem to be quite into enforcing the rules and being proactive. What I'm worried about is in the future they won't want to give up their new found authority and shopping is going to be a right faff, getting bossed around by a bunch of little broccoli Nazis.

Personally, I'd love to see supermarket staff politely but vigorously enforcing keeping the aisles clear and traffic moving along purposefully becoming a permanent thing. Stopping in a chokepoint to stare blankly into space for ten minutes? Blam! £30 fine!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The people who get ventilated often seem to hang on for a couple of weeks before they finally die, so don't hold your breath just yet.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Katty! posted:

went to the shop earlier on and everyone was very good about queuing outside and toeing the big yellow lines, though as soon as you actually get indoors the big arrows may as well not exist and any attempt to maintain distance is foiled by people taking up half an aisle with their trolley as they paw through all the tinned tomatoes for 15 minutes

This social distancing thing has really highlighted to me the people in supermarkets who stop, block the aisle and just stare at a random selection of goods for an extraordinary length of time. What are they thinking about? It is a mystery.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Answers Me posted:


Now he's being pressed on what Labour's actual strategy is and he's totally floundering. We're right back to Miliband and the Labour offer being 'Tories, but half-hearted and incompetent'

My 2 cents on Starmer: I don't believe that he's some lurking right-winger, poised to purge the party and set it up as the Conservatives Mk2. His record shows him as a centre-left technocrat and I expect him to broadly continue along those lines. What does worry me is that I think he's over-cautious and unimaginative - we have an unprecedented opportunity right now to fundamentally change the ways things work in this country and my feeling is that Starmer will resoundingly fail to grasp it. I've got the dispiriting feeling that we're going to see Labour repeatedly outflanked on the left by the Tories, while Starmer prevaricates and hedges for fear of upsetting some focus-grouped demographic or other.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

chestnut santabag posted:

The report in full, get it while it's hot:
https://t.co/muyBUqtzn1

Cheers!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Huh, this is Starmer's 1st real test as party leader and the signs so far are that he's fluffing it completely. There seems to be real fury about this across the party (not just in the UKMT!) and an anodyne statement that's mainly about how disappointed he is that the report got leaked really isn't going to cut it.

I'm gonna assume that everyone's kinda disorganised 'cos it's the Easter break but if he doesn't come out with something more substantive tomorrow then lol.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The Guardian doing the absolute bare minimum, through gritted teeth reporting on the Labour suppressed report scandal.

If it had been a Labour right document criticizing Corbyn's leadership, they'd have drip-fed it out over a fortnight of front page headlines.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Prince John posted:


I'll be on it for the first 45 minutes so if they get around to a general Q&A session while I'm still on the call, I will ask whether there's truth in this.

Lol if you think they'll be taking unscripted questions from ordinary plebs.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

VideoGames posted:

It is wild how pathetic Keir Starmer is. What an amazing leader.

Yeah but he's the sort of leader that the liberal media class feel comfy with and can imagine inviting to their dinner parties, unlike that scruffy, unsettling Corbyn bloke.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
It can't be emphasised enough that the Labour right absolutely want left-wing members to be cancelling their memberships: every leftie who storms off makes the Labour right that little bit more powerful within the party.

Grit your teeth, stay in, use your voting powers whenever you can and keep engaged. If Starmer's as useless as his initial actions suggest, this'll become obvious to the party as a whole pretty rapidly. I'm actually taking part in tonight's Zoom call, so I can see for myself how he comes across when just talking to members.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Or listen to Brian, posting above me, instead: the UKMT is a land of contrasts :v:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Starmer online now saying that the Uk must never return to austerity and that the economy must fundamentally change going forwards. Also talking a lot about unity lol.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Raynor seems genuinely upset about the contents of the report, Starmer somewhat less so.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Darth Walrus posted:


The tweet and headline really don't convey the tone of the article. Big Len's out for blood.

You're not kidding:

Len McCluskey posted:

Let us be clear what the officials whose cynical, abusive and factional conduct has now been exposed were actually doing. In working for a Labour defeat, they were working for a Tory victory – that is to say, empowering the party that stood for austerity and a “hard Brexit”. These politically-crooked officials were prepared to risk dramatic damage to the interests of the British economy and working people just in order to scratch their factional itch.

Their conduct is a reminder of the truth of what was said by the eminent socialist writer Stuart Hall: the only thing the Labour right are interested in, the only thing they are good at, is fighting the left. Bear in mind that these are the people who accused Corbyn supporters of only being interested in political purity and not in winning power. Even the most demented sectarian on the left has not championed a Tory election victory to win an inner-party argument.

...

Some of the responses to the report have been deeply revealing. One might have expected groups and individuals who have campaigned loudly against Labour antisemitism in recent years to welcome its frank admission of the party’s failings in respect of handling complaints and its honest exposure of what went wrong and when.

Yet Labour Against Anti-Semitism and Labour MP turned Tory supporter Ian Austin, to take two examples, have instead rushed to denounce it. This can only fuel the suspicion that they are only interested in challenging failings in addressing antisemitism when they think these can be exclusively attributed to Jeremy Corbyn and the left, and are prepared to turn a blind eye to the negligence of those they consider their political allies.

And I have not noticed a peep from journalist John Ware, whose Panorama programme on Labour antisemitism can now be seen to fall a long way short of the standards expected of the BBC, in that it failed to interrogate his interviewees at all concerning their own shortcomings in handling antisemitism allegations.

Yeah, Len mad.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

They're not going to stop.
Anyone else read the pathetic twitter rantings of Hirsh? Can't believe students pay good money to get lectures off him!

https://twitter.com/ProgressOnline/status/1250740867251519489?s=20



re death graphs: until we get figures of deaths in care homes or at home, we can't know if we're still increasing, peaking or what.

I saw that this dude's apparently a proper academic and thought he might have written something coherent and thought-provoking that I could engage with, even though I might not agree with his premises.





NOPE.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

justcola posted:


What a badly written article. And this man teaches? At a university? In London?

That's a little unfair: for all we know, he had to type all that out in 30 seconds and hit 'send' without any further reflection.

I mean, I'd hate to think that he looked at that article and thought: "Yep, this is good to publish".

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Vitamin P posted:

Surprised that the Guardian isn't covering the Labour report that got leaked, their coverage on the antisemitism story was incredibly comprehensive before now so it seems weird they'd be ignoring a massive event so profoundly relevant to that story.

The Guardian's silence on the matter speaks volumes about the report's basic truthfullness. If they'd been able to pick holes in it, they'd have been shouting from the rooftops. They can't deny what's in the report, so they just ignore it instead.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Oh hey, it's John Ware again, the Panorama documentary dude!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Webrings ruled. I remember when all websites were obsessively hand-crafted, amateurish labours of love, not the corporate blandness we have today :corsair:

SA is a welcome hangover from that era :laugh:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Melissa McCarthyism posted:

Really cool how Labour seems totally toothless when being served juicy government failings on a platter.

Starmer has a real weak point in that he's horribly over-cautious. He doesn't want to risk a full-throated attack on the government's handling of the virus in case he gets accused of being unpatriotic etc. Problem is, if you want to win at politics you have to take risks sometimes. My worry with Starmer is that Labour's going to miss all sorts of opportunities due to his unwillingness to commit.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
As far as I can see, the typical Guardian commenter is a mean-spirited pensioner, grimly determined to preserve the economic system that's coddled them (at everyone else's expense) but who also sees themselves as an enlightened and compassionate individual. It's a gruesome combination of traits.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jose posted:

OkCupid/POF are better ime and all the important bits are free like messaging people

Depends on how old you are though I guess

I've been staying off Tinder: it's a tool for meeting people and it all becomes a bit pointless if you can't actually meet.

Imagine a Tinder conversation that goes on for weeks instead of aiming to set up a 1st date as quickly as possible. Yuk.



Hey, nice snipe. I have 183 matches on Tinder (that I've never bothered to talk to).

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Payndz posted:



A real "Ooh, this will sting him!" headline written by somebody who's evidently never seen Die Hard 2: Die Harder.

Toynbee AND Simon Jenkins both laying into Boris in the Guardian: if only there'd been an alternative PM that the paper could have got behind.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Ironically, as all this cooking chat is happening, I'm cutting down to 2 meals a day for the next six weeks or so, 'cos I've visibly gained weight since this virus thing started and it's beginning to bug me.


Page snipe: 2 meals a day for 13.3571 weeks = 187.

Pistol_Pete fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 20, 2020

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
For people asking for simple recipies to follow under lockdown, the Guardian is here to help! They've provided a list of 'easy' Asian food that you can cook from "pantry staples".


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/apr/21/isol-asian-cooking-pantry-staple-chinese-recipes-from-an-unemployed-chef

Here goes!

Simple prawn toast:

For the prawn paste
120g raw prawns, shelled and deveined
40g minced pork
5g ginger, grated
1 tsp cornstarch
2 tsp fish sauce
½ tsp white pepper
½ tsp salt
20g guanciale or fatty pancetta, very finely diced
20g dill, finely chopped
½ lemon zest

For the confit garlic
2 tbsp olive oil
2 cloves garlic, finely minced

To serve
4 slices white bread
2 cups vegetable oil
lemon cheeks

:rolleyes:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Bobstar posted:

Yep, the PM's text, and the blue jumper lady's speaking is Luxembourgish, my awesome and totally useless second language. Your description is pretty much bang on.


Til that Luxembourg has it's own language. I'd always assumed they just spoke German or Flemish or whatever.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Alastair Campbell suggesting (quite gently at this point) that Starmer stop flapping around ineffectively on the sidelines and start providing a proper opposition:


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/22/coronavirus-deaths-labour-criticise-government-starmer

It's telling that, from the other side of Labour opinion, he's come to the same initial conclusions about Starmer as the Ukmt.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Again, not a good look for Starmer that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are appearing more prominently in the press than the actual current leader of the opposition.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Thinking about shaving my head but I'll need to lose the weight I've gained during the lockdown so far, otherwise I'll just look like a chubby skinhead.

How long until the hairdressers reopen, do you think?

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

pitch a fitness posted:

It was a patchy few weeks when lockdown & wfh began but our department now has as many, if not more, meetings as before

Lol, my workplace sent round a progress update that was broadly positive but did say at the end please not to book online meetings unless it was actually necessary, as they were getting in the way of people actually getting on with their work.

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