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goddamnedtwisto posted:A tiny bit of unfinished business from the last thread - I was struggling to remember the name of the American bluetick who managed to perfectly encapsulate two hard-and-fast rules of the universe: White: 19 (46%) Black: 9 (22%) Hispanic: 6 (15%) Other: 4 (10%) Unknown: 3 (7%) According to the 2010 U.S Census, the composition of the USA is: White 72.4% Black or African American 12.6% Hispanic and Latino 16.3% Other 15% So yes Michael good job proving that police shoot African Americans at a disproportionately higher rate and white Americans at a disproportionately lower rate. goddamnedtwisto posted:- Anyone with a cartoon of themselves as their avatar is a twat 
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thespaceinvader posted:Yes, I'm sure those statistics are absolutely accurate to the numbers WaPo presumably got from the police, who don't recortd the numbers of unarmed black people they murder.
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Spangly A posted:the guardian had an ongoing thing about US police murders of black people in 2018/2019 and it's thousands a year, the Wapo figure is solely where the cop straight up refuses to lie and insists they were right to murder
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Ian Dunt should read some articles on LatAm politics, like this one, by Ian Dunt.thespaceinvader posted:Wanna bet the person whose fire they returned was a cop hiding amongst the protestors?
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jabby posted:Take into account that unlike other countries US cops are routinely issued guns and sent to police a heavily-armed populace, and it's maybe not surprising they do such an abysmal job. ACAB, but some are more B than others. It's used as a case for armed citizen militias and good guys with guns, but it's true and most large city police departments only train twice a year and that's pretty terrifying especially if they're being allowed to do no-knock raids and poo poo like this keeps happening. As per PolitiFact and a 2008 Rand study. quote:Hit ratios were below 30 percent for gunfights (18 percent) and from long ranges (23 percent from more than seven yards away). However, in cases where suspects did not return fire, NYPD officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time. Accuracy levels were above 30 percent when the target was seven yards away or closer (37 percent). I'm not sure "we're actually not poo poo with our guns, which we need in case people shoot at us, as long as they're not shooting at us" is a spectacular justification.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:But how do you get there from here? Train up entire new forces then just replace the existing ones? I can't imagine anything getting better for *anyone* in that interim period. Maybe it's just a failure of imagination on my part but I can't see anything (absent a large-scale civil war, or some other massive upheaval to society) that lets you rip apart and remake the system without consequences similar to the fallout from a civil war, at least in the short term. (You can also debate how much of what led up to it was a large-scale civil war.) We can also start looking at alternatives to policing that can run alongside them. Not the NRA's appeal to armed citizen militias, that often just ends up replicating the failures of the police, but some thoughts: Violence Reduction Units, either run by cities or groups of people, to use the disease model for violent crime. Restorative and communal justice alongside/instead of punitive courts and prisons. Citizen peaceful patrol groups that aren't bearded neoconfederates with assault weapons. Less crimes, we're obsessed with creating new crimes and then wondering why the justice system gets overworked. Maybe feed and house people instead of having prisons do it. The idea of the clockwork society where everything runs according to top-down series of commandments is plainly one that is full of people in cages, and every alternative seems to be saying a variation of the same thing: make people happier and healthier and give them more of a say in their lives and there's less crime and less need for policing. Jel Shaker posted:i recall that most bullets in armed conflict are used for suppression of the enemy rather than actual killing?
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AutismVaccine posted:Thats the most tinfoily thing i read here for a while. Police, courts, and lawyers should really be the last resort where index crimes, murder and non-negligent homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, arson, etc. are committed. Otherwise, if there is a problem you don't want to solve with violence yourself, your first port of call should be a professional mediator, community justice, or civil dispute resolution. If it isn't, it's usually because access to these doesn't exist or costs thousands, whereas access to police is free (for now). That, along with the attitude that "there ought to be a law" is the first response to something that people don't like rather than "there ought to be a community driven change" are things that should change.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I started typing something up about this last night but couldn't quite get my meaning across (it's possible I actually posted it, as this isn't normally a barrier) that one of the biggest problems with modern police at least here and in the US is how little actual police work they get up to. They probably spend more time doing front-line social service work than catching criminals although they often deal with the former, as you say, by turning them into the latter - homelessness, for example, should never be a police matter (of course it just shouldn't be a matter at all), but years of gutting social services (and society) have meant that they've been used as a temporary fix for just about all of society's ills. I also agree that we rely too much on police/law/courts because we've scrapped too much of the rest to even run, which has led to moving vast swathes of "we don't do this because it makes you kind of a dick if you do" into the realm of formal law rather than social contract. Policing isn't the best solution to everything, and some things such as as helping drug addiction or making sex work safer with healthcare based models, work far less well if Constable Savage is going to be clomping around in the background, because people won't turn up and then you're back to dealing with a hepatitis epidemic which you definitely can't control with batons. I think big state funded social services on the healthcare model can sometimes go badly wrong though, like psychiatrists creating a rigid social model of a 'healthy mind' and institutionalizing a bunch of people, so there always should be a wide variety of community oriented resolution initiatives too. We don't have an alternative to police and courts for the big serious crimes like murder, but for the little ones, the ones more like grievances, like alleged theft of chickens, or even some serious ones like domestic violence where the family are forced to choose between enduring abuse and their main breadwinner being banged up, there's good evidence that proper restorative justice with weight behind it and campaigns to stop it happening in the first place work better than cops/courts/cages. The Question IRL posted:I’m sorry, are you saying that if someone in your family is killed, instead of ringing the police you should look at all other possible avenues of things to do? Like call up a priest to see if he could raise your relative from the dead, perhaps? e: ^^ yes, that
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OwlFancier posted:I think there is a comma missing there, a last resort, (such as) where index crimes have been committed. Here's the South African conception of what that could look like, and here's a very serious case of the murder of a youth in S. v. Maluleke where a judge combines elements of retributive justice with elements of restorative justice and considers the balance for the community good. Police still made the arrest, and traditional courtroom affairs still led to the publication of that, but it's an interesting and seemingly positive direction. So it's not a case for throwing all police/state courts/prisons in the bin immediately and seeing what happens in its place, but building alongside and inside of that, although I'm suspicious of the likelihood of British judges deciding to take that leap without being poked, and lol at that ever happening with elected US judges.
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That's true, but also because it was a literal fascist murder state until the mid-90s, and after that point people were willing to throw anything at the wall to see if it worked. But despite being high by Western standards, it appears at least some of these (probably mostly no-longer being a literal fascist murder state, but I have hopes for the other things) are working.  But it has, as was noted in the case paper, worked in Canada and Australia as well. Mainly in getting justice for communities that weren't well served by the predominant idea of justice, but that's what started this whole thing with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and the tasering of Judah Adunbi.
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My hopes of restorative justice getting a look in for the UK in the distant future have risenGuavanaut posted:because it was a literal fascist murder state
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I think the Posse Comitatus Act bans him from doing that. Which isn't to say he won't do something equally dumb, but someone might step in the way of him doing literally that. e: Or in the words of Tom Lehrer To the shores of Tripoli, But not to Mississippoli, What do we do? We send the Marines! Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Yeah there's no way that this looks good, because anyone with an interest in reading it (and even those that weren't until it was suppressed) are going to assume that it says the worst thing possible. Deliberate botched handling of information by Reagan (and a dose of Soviet propaganda capitalizing on that misstep) is why there's a bunch of people who think that Reagan instructed Robert Gallo to invent HIV as an ethnic cleansing program, so going against transparency during an epidemic is a very harmful move.
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Ms Adequate posted:Of course, there are plenty of structural reasons Biden and most of the Dems aren't all aboard such a thing, but it could have been pursued as a credible policy platform, is my point, and probably one that made political hay. Ending the drug war is one that they could, and should do asap. That's something that should always have been done on a healthcare model. Actually running healthcare reform would be another good one to try, and ending the qualified immunity doctrines that turns police from "only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen" into supercitizens is one that's actually being tried at the moment. https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648 Other than that, the USAs best options all seem to come from organic bottom-up movements or municipal level violence reduction units, community courts, and peace patrols, or at best at the state level deciding not to route actually-its-not-a-tanks from Raytheon to village PDs.
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Who is shooting the cops though? Because a lot of this seems like tactics discussed by James Mason/SIEGE, William Pierce, and Atomwaffen Division for accelerating the decline of modern society. "Shoot cops during a peaceful protest to turn it into a massacre" is a tactic discussed by all three.
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Jedit posted:I think you just answered your own question, though. The militarisation of America's police is a response to the militarisation of American society in general. So long as there are all those assault rifles in circulation, disarming the cops is a pipe dream. You're literally talking about setting up the plot of Robocop - underequipped officers sent into a meat grinder of criminals with military grade weapons. Yes, a better licensing system would stop poo poo like  but even before strict gun control in the UK we got away with a comparatively lightly armed police force and didn't feel the need to throw SWAT teams at every tiny warrant* and the nazi problem isn't one that can just be solved with gun control. Saying "you can't just walk into a store and pick up a semi-auto rifle" might stop the guy who wants to kill his wife in a rage or shoot up his office, but white supremacist terror cells who are that far down the rabbit hole of sowing Mansonesque destruction will just make guns. Or nail bombs. Or they'll join the police. As an ideology they constitute a separate threat in and of themselves. *offer not valid in Northern Ireland. Bobstar posted:From the Ars Technica comments section (which, for a comment section, is fairly non-terrible, if a bit liberal sometimes) 
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josh04 posted:"extrovert" and "introvert" were invented by Myers-Briggs to sell more personality tests, don't believe the hype.  Myers-Briggs is astrology for middle managers. The Conservative Party: Won't consider alternatives to prisons because the Daily Mail complains, will consider a definition of 'quarantine' that includes getting on the bus to go to Tesco. Jippa posted:What could possibly be in that report to make them delay it?
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communism bitch posted:The other 5% is gibberish to English speakers but who needs to know how to say "bread" in Russian anyway. 
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They both have a dual meaning as slang for testicles though. That's also common with Spanish and a bunch of other languages with unrelated eggwords, so maybe English is the weird one for not having eggs be common slang.
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Miftan posted:Bay-tzah. I wonder what the common root is there. Miftan posted:I mean Yiddish has a ton of crossover with Russian/German and both those countries have had massive Jewish populations. Danger - Octopus! posted:I'm pretty sure it used to be slang in English didn't it? I'm sure I've read stuff from a couple of centuries ago where it was slang for testicles here. Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think Arabic too if the Arabian Nights (the adult version not the kiddy version) is anything to go by!
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Well I had to go and check why Lee Rigby is trending on twitter. Don't recommend if you have blood pressure problems (unless it needs a boost). stev posted:I did this and thankfully the first results were explanations and condemnations of the fuckwits making this comparison so I didn't need to scroll further.  Also UKIP trending which made me all  , but then I clicked it and  https://twitter.com/GBTheGhost/status/1267833261176369158
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Borrovan posted:Thing is though, there's been gently caress all going on lately, save for Tommy's latest Muslamic Ray Guns escapades up North which are kind of isolated to a single issue atm. There was some liberal nonsense in the papers a while back about how great it is that all the street fash have calmed down since Boris has been in power, we were all joking about how it turns out the way to combat fascism is to give them exactly what they want. It's weird though - typically, give fash an inch, they'll take a mile. Legitimising their viewpoints emboldens them, elect a Trump and they dig out the tikki torches. I have no idea what's so different this time. A terrorism researcher I'm close to reckons they're just as active as ever, but we've just pushed them off the streets and onto the web. I'm not so sure about that, since Western fash are all about overt displays of cultural dominance, which you can't do online. If I'm wrong, more co-ordinated online action might be the way forward (English Disco Lovers was a great one). But, it could just be that stuff like the aftermath of Charlottesville, the mass rise in interest in anti-fascism worldwide, and the consistent violence whenever they have one of their rallies has got them worried about delegitimising their viewpoint, like it (eventually) did in the '30s (in the UK, at least) - i.e., we're winning in the streets, but it makes gently caress all difference because their guys are in power across the world now so all they've got to do is sit tight and avoid making GBS threads their pants too publicly. It looks pretty grim to me, and the absence of actual mobilisations makes it really hard to keep people organised ready to oppose them when they start building the camps. All we can do is try to stay as involved as we can, and encourage others to do the same. Guavanaut posted:James Mason/SIEGE, William Pierce, and Atomwaffen Division for accelerating the decline of modern society. That means small leaderless cells communicating on Telegram now that Iron March has gone. Someone posted a massive leak from the IM forums that might help identify them, but my worry is the next time we hear from them it won't be grooming gangs it'll be nail bombs.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1267919803962064897?s=21 It's the kind of thing you'd expect from P. W. Botha's office rather than a working nation, but predictable.
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OwlFancier posted:Also I guess watch out for matt hancock glowing yellow and gaining a load of hitpoints.  The nation-state is a doomed project, but for example some postcolonial national governments would face enormous, even existential, criticism if they took all the bits about structural racism out of a report on structural racism during an epidemic. Extremely cool to see that Whitehall is currently at the "In ensuring the social development of both white and non-white society, we have taken the step of [pages 2-9 removed due to State of Emergency] which consultation has shown to be satisfactory to all groups." stage of statecraft.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I don't remember insects (except midges in swarms on walks along the river) ever being this bad years ago. I never saw a mosquito anywhere I lived in the UK until I think it was 2012! That may just be better car design picking up less of them, but I drove an old boxy pos in the late 00s and there were definitely less insects than in the 80s and 90s. Maybe they're all coming back again because of lockdown. I hope malaria doesn't return to the Fens. The screen doors/windows is another note in my "why the hell did the UK abandon sash windows for hinged ones?" log though, because all the window fly screen designs are for US style sash ones, which are the same as Georgian and Victorian UK house ones. OwlFancier posted:Lol according to wikipedia by 2030 southern england will be a viable climate for malaria for 2 months of the year. And by 2080 so will southern scotland That was the origin of East Anglian opium cultivation, which was regarded as a curative.
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Prince John posted:Which makes me wonder is this actually a thing? Is there some supplanting of black voices in favour of peaceful protest going on in the US, or was it just a massive coincidence that I appeared to randomly land on a confirmatory tweet? There is legitimate Black hurt and anger which is being vented in sometimes violent ways through these protests, but there's also a bunch of people who think it would either be strategically useful for terrible reasons or just lol hilarious to gently caress around with for various ends.
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OwlFancier posted:Some of them might be white people who also, justifiably, hate the cops. The problem is it won't be them that pays for it. radmonger posted:I know some people here have issues with Brown Moses, but this seems a legit investigation: That's a legitimate thing to be angry about, it's a monumental fuckup. If armed people try to enter your dwelling with violence and you call the police and they tell you there are no police nearby to respond then it's only right and proper to assume that the people entering mean you harm. The problem is that in the absence of any kind of left mass line you end up with a bunch of people who care about weapons but not politics (von Clausewitz might suggest they should instead be take up painting) and that's something that's (ironically, given the prepper/home defense nature) poorly equipped to defend itself against infiltration or parasitization by right wing accelerationism. That makes it very difficult without opening windows into men's souls to tell who's operating off of some romantic misreading of (supposedly apolitical) insurrection and who's trying to instigate a race war. At least for the ones just randomly firing shots. The ones deliberately targeting stores with 'Black Owned Business' on the shutters are probably racists.
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Sounds like some of the discussion when the smoking ban in pubs was introduced. Why not just have a rule that indoor atmospheric tar and particulate levels have to be below H&S recommended guidelines and smokers have to be distant from staff? Because 99% of country pubs aren't going to be able to reconfigure as a HEPA facility and Plessey were reluctant to let their cleanrooms be used as a pub after hours.
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