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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Gaz-L posted:

Winstead is low-key the best thing in the movie, and it's great because they didn't have to completely ignore the source material like with Cass, they just took the existing backstory and had a unique spin on it. Hell, it's a spin that parodies have done with Batman a ton, but it's just fresh having her play those notes of 'maladjusted woman-child with anger issues'.

I'm looking at her scenes here and they loving work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO0vdbwcnWE

And then I'm thinking about how Harley's don't, not really. Like, I have no idea how strong she is, why she's able to flip dudes that weigh 300 pounds over her head. She's not just a believable badass.

Other iterations of her character get that across. DCU has her being a gymnast. The recent cartoon has her being a psycho. Margot's version...is pretty vanilla.

e: lol Margot pops up at 3:45 and she's so slow and mechanical in her movements. Did she not go to fight training camp?

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

oh btw here's some leaked pics of Thor's new look. Very hard rock!

https://twitter.com/FilmUpdatesBU/status/1356201849129496583

e: hmmm you can't click the link when its spoilered I guess? I don't want to spoil ppl so just c and p into your browser? sorry lol

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I write, so that's the way I judge any movie. Ebert has a great quote when judging a movie, forgive my bad memory and paraphrasing, but it's something like, did the filmmakers achieve what they were trying to do? (just looked at his little man review system, lol that's brilliant).

300 achieved what it set out to do, a glistening ode to manliness and retro masculinity. I think its a good movie.

I think BvS is a mess, its narrative threads jumbled, its 3rd act counteracting its nascent (and honestly hard to discern) themes and character thoroughlines.

Speed Racer is a near perfect movie, because it sets out to hoist racing to near transcendental elevation and loving achieves it, and the climax is nothing but a kaleidoscope of colors, charcter arc completion, and satisfying narrative closure.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Phylodox posted:

I cannot disagree more. Unless you think Zack Snyder literally believes in eugenics and fascism, you have to assume 300 is meant to be satire in the vein of Starship Troopers. It absolutely don’t think it works as that, though, lacking any of Verhoeven’s subversive elements. Zack Snyder tried to make a film satirizing propaganda and ended up just making straight up propaganda.

I think that’s a problem a lot of people have with his movies. Zack Snyder knows what Zack Snyder is trying to say with his movies, but he gets so involved in the spectacle that the message frequently becomes either muddled or completely lost.

I absolutely don't believe that Snyder was satirizing anything in 300. And I absolutely believe, like many a director of reactionary bloody 80s action movies, he just wanted to show big strapping men showing whats up to ppl that deserve it in particularly overblown ways.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

SonicRulez posted:

Garfield is literally the absolute worst interpretation of Spider-Man. Yes including that one you're thinking of. He's powerfully unlikable and I do not understand how I'm meant to get "hero" vibes off of him flirting with Gwen while her father's body hasn't even gone cold yet. Like yeah the sequel can pick up with the story of him feeling guilty and conflicted. That's a fine beat. But none of that is in that scene in the original and it's always stuck with me as gross.

Plus the cranes are dumb.

But Garfield picks up his high school degree on a skateboard???

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Jamesman posted:

...What?

None of this makes sense and I think I hate it.

Edit: To be clear, I'm pre-judging this based on never seeing the show and it not even being fully released yet. It's just an initial response to limited information.

lol worth posting about it then

it works, if you know, watch the thing before judgin it

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ImpAtom posted:

Zach Snyder makes rape jokes, talks about how cool dead bodies are, intentionally gives people like Jared Leto and Amber Heard bigger roles, and various other things.

He doesn't need to be an evil eugenics monster to be kind of an rear end in a top hat. Nor does being an assholes mean he also can't be good to people also.

John Milius is a conservative monster.

Couldn't care less about the personality of a filmmaker. Like Lt. Danger said, the work is the work.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

One interesting thing about 300 is the interview with Miller about how he could never fully convey the horror of actual Spartan life because it would make the audience lose sympathy for them as protagonists.

Miller at least intellectually grappled with the subject, and decisively decided on the side of making his work a piece of pop propoganda.

With Snyder's photo-copying manner towards adaptations, there isn't even that level of thought put into it. There's flashes of bodies or whatever in the beginning, but its essentially an action movie for the bronze age. And it does its job pretty well in that regard.

That ending is pure Braveheart btw. Like, on a one to one level. It's pretty in your face regarding it.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

site posted:

I want to see a show with Fury and Maria contemporaneously starting up shield and sword, both knowing what they know from CM1, with everyone thinking they're completely batshit, and the whole thing is being overseen by hydra

Im starting to get annoyed at all these massive international bureaucracies being started up by one person like their mom and pop shops. Thats not how national security agencies work!!!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sin and Baron Zemo were given significant time I thought

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I remember on a behind the scenes featurette on Buffy S1, Charisma Carpenter mentioning that she was a little shocked at her character's introduction was mentioning getting the imprint of the hand brake on her back, like she was surprised she was written to be so loose. I think that's what she said.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


wait wtf Ghostbusters is an adaptation???

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

bushisms.txt posted:

He wasn't wrong because now you're calling his current films dark, and they aren't!


And watchmen did a good enough job on it's own, Snyder just elevated the movie because people expect more from modern superheroes than a couple punches. Not enough rape by the standards of your Snyder Strawman I know.

what's interesting about Rorscharch in the movie and the Rorschach in the comic books, is that the movie (iirc) elides his batshit conservatism.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

CelticPredator posted:

I just really like Dawn of the dead.

The last act lost me. And killing all the characters in the credits left a bad taste in my mouth.

Also, what the gently caress was that point of that movie?

Like the original had some salient points about commercialism at least.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Roth posted:

Not really. He's still an obvious bigot that regularly calls women whores and thinks purely in black and white terms. If anything, I think the difference is that while Alan Moore regrets writing him so sympathetically, Snyder doesn't mind that people sympathize with the mentally ill homeless man.

I think a lot of people like to point out that Zack Snyder didn't "get" Watchmen, but I'm not so sure what it is he's not "getting" with the comic and his adaptation. It's not that you're supposed to hate Rorshach or that violence is bad. It's that the morality of superheroes can not survive a capitalist system. It will only lead to "heroes" like Veidt taking their heroism to the most extreme conclusion: That it is good and just to slaughter millions to save the rest. The key to Rorshach, I think, is that he chooses to die rather than keep this a secret.



He even sheds his "face" as Rorshach and dies as Walter Kovacs. For all of his faults, all of his bigotries, and all of his actions: Rorshach is still the only one who chooses to not be complicit.

I love Watchmen, as the comic and as the film adaptation. I think a lot of people get caught up on Rorshach, all of his unpleasant qualities, and act like the whole comic is about making GBS threads on him. I don't think I've ever seen people concerned about "Wait, people think Ozymandias was right to murder millions?"

Rorscharch seemed to be more "whole" in the comics, his actions being a natural result of his beliefs. The movie sanded off those edges and made him a much more conventional and relatable protaganist of an already sympathetic character in the comics.

This is at least partly due to the limits of the 2 hour movie format. That's why I think it's impossible to really do Watchmen justice on the screen. It can only really be at its fullest within the restraints and freedom of the comic book page.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Cael posted:

I would rather watch Age of Extinction 10 times over end to end than see a minute of Revenge of the Fallen when Skids and Mudflap are on screen. Also come on, Stanley Tucci slamming a blackboard as he literally yells "ALGORITHSM! MATH!"? Perfection.

Release the Tucci cut of Age of Extinction where it's just his scenes. THAT's a perfect movie.

lol, you remember that random college kid who went along with everyone in I think Revenge of the Fallen? They should call the movie and the entire series Revenge of the Fallen Comedy Relief Characters. So many fell by the wayside.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

bushisms.txt posted:

I'm pretty sure every one has some issue with BvS, even the cined approved black and white cut had controversial edits within the dome. They just don't entertain bad faith takes based on media outside the film. Snyder is called a fascist emboldening objectivist dude bro, so what are his fans? Clutching your pearls at people asking for clarification to inane takes doesn't change that.

i'm still reeling from "youtuber led dialogue". Is there a chart of disapproved arguments pinned up somewhere?

i couldn't care less about Snyder's superhero movies. I just wanna get on that loving chart!!!

e: Snyder's DC movies. His Watchmen, while having plenty of flaws, has some good spots in it.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Feb 16, 2021

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

A talking coyote posted:

No don’t! Embrace the Baychat!

Pain and Gain is a legit good movie???

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

We all know the funniest notes of all time is the Sony Amazing Spiderman ones.

And Spidey does douchebag marathon poo poo! Yolo!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

0h i remembered what it was. Tough mudder lol

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Whose angry about Batman killing people again?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Batman is the least interesting character in comics, as demonstrated by the last couple of pages

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The Mortal Kombat trailer didn't show a lot of visual promise. Seemed kinda stilted and unimaginative. Hope that isn't extended to the movie as a whole.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

AccountSupervisor posted:

Hi BSS, I only lurk here but saw this post and its insane to me to see this because I knew jefferoo for years IRL, knew he was a goon but had no ides he was this infamous. He was closely involved in my college circle for a few years and boy do I have stories!

Anyways, Zack Snyder rules, sorry fans are jerks sometimes.

I love his DC movies and they speak to me personally. I get why people are put off by his take on DC, but I deeply love it.

Not all his fans are insane, I just want to live and work in a Hollywood where theres room for visions like Snyders and I support him hard because someday Id love to make a movie like Man of Steel or BvS. Thats it.

hey now

jeffaroo lore, go!

e:

John Wick of Dogs posted:

The first murder was God murdering Adam by kicking him out of Eden. In response to this Adam became the Joker

we live in an adamah....

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

TwoPair posted:

"I'm going to go home and sleep with my wife"

- Peter Parker

Spiderman: Homeward Bound

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Vince MechMahon posted:

Jack and Jill led to the dunkacino edits so it's demonstrably and materially a better, more well remembered movie than dark world. The loving audacity of Jack and Jill is incredible, and interesting, although bad.

hahahaha just learned about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jux6_xBPew

e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnS2BZfoGM

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

twistedmentat posted:

Wait what? Does it also feature Eva music on it?

*kettle drums and horns intensify*

uh you mentioned drums

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnYP1yzSe5E

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

everyone always talks about lois lane, but never man's pain

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Knives Out was a good way to go...out

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


Lol I never watched this movie holy poo poo what is this

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Posting sans reading the thread to say I liked it!

And Leto almost made me quit the movie with like 3 mins left!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Chill Penguin posted:

drat that kicked rear end. Consider me Snyderpilled— give that man the keys to the DC kingdom. I didn’t even like BvS or MoS. This hit the level of Endgame/IW for me. This is the Justice League movie we needed.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

AngryBooch posted:

Blocking bullets with her bracers at full speed and killing people who deserve to die. This is Wonder Woman.

Patty Jenkins wakes up sweating and doesn't know why

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Soonmot posted:

what you didn't like gay jokes in tyool 2021?

wait he did that? At that point I was rolling my eyes so hard that I could only see my orbital nerves

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I was really hoping they were going to do the Greek Gods right right in WW2 instead of whatever the hell we got. Base it off Rucka or Azzerrellos run instead of having a person who knows nothing about comics run to Geoff Johns for inspiration.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Phylodox posted:

I just remembered that while watching Justice League I kept getting distracted and giggling every time we see Steppenwolf from behind because he’s got an adorable little glutey booty.

like concave disco balls

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

BrianWilly posted:

Alright sure Justice League was a movie but you know what's also a movie but different? Civil War! Literally just now I saw it referred to as the one that the Winter Soldier is better than, which is fair, but I still like it so here's a new video about it:

Captain America: Civil War Analysis; What Matters in a story?

1) I poo poo on the comic a bit
2) Who wants to hear about politics? Anyone?
3) I...commend Watchmen? WHAT
4) There's some Greek mythology in here for some reason

Enjoy~

In the middle of this, just wanted to say I'm really enjoying it. Slick and well done.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


don't have much to say but this got my attn: "THR notes that Remender will write for the Legendary adaptation"

A comic book writer writing a comic book movie?!??! What kind of madness?!?!?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

BrianWilly posted:

lol @ at the idea that WW hates the justice system so her response is to deploy...excessive, lethal force.

Almost like a...like a...oh dang what am I thinking of?...

...wait yeah almost like
A cop.

I just hope he manages to pepper in Christophe Beck's Wanda motif in effective, sensible ways. It's been way past long overdue for the MCU to take advantage of its own leitmotifs other than the drat Avengers one. Bringing Henry Jackman back from the Cap films to do TFATWS was one of their best choices.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier is good for this. Love it everytime they bring in the grinding theme of Winter Soldier.

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Karloff posted:

That's a fascinating interview. It's hard to evaluate a writer working in blockbuster films because the end product goes through so many revisions and is touched by so many people that to make a declarative statement about the skills of a writer based entirely on the finished film is difficult. You don't know what edicts they had to stick to and how their script got changed in the process of shooting and editing and this interview provides a rare insight into that process. Chris Terrio has been credited on two films that I consider to have the among the worst writing in a blockbuster film of the last five years; Batman v Superman (and yes, I include the Ultimate Edition which is while better than the theatrical still exemplary of how not to structure character and story) and Rise of Skywalker.

It does seem like being a writer on one of these films is a thankless loving task - all the people who demand changes or add dumb notes don't have to live with the reputation of the fallout. It makes me really keen to see Argo, as that's a film he clearly takes pride in and I would like to see it just to get a better appreciation of his work. But what is clear, and what stands out, is how much there just isn't a basic understanding of what drama and storytelling is at the executive level of these companies. This isn't news of course, but that interview does starkly lay it out. I don't know if Terrio is a good writer who got hosed over in the system, or a bad writer who none-the-less was cut off at the knees by the process but it is depressing how writers are often seen as essentially there to translate a bunch of notes and focus groups results into a screenplay as opposed to crafting a story.

Argo's strength is def not in its writing. Its the acting, and the irreverent tone created thru rapid cuts and the type of visual choices made in the movie. Overall its alright.

I didnt finish the interview with Terrio, because it just seemed like a way to foist off responsibility, without the usual bursts of fun derails you see in a lot of interviews with screenwriters.

I think Terrio does have some responsibility with the bad writing in the Snyder movies, and his other output absolutely doesnt change my mind.

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